Legend of the Stone Maps

[Dirt1955]

Wrmickel1. Possession trumps claims of ownership. There is no way to demonstrate "proof of ownership" without a waybill, contract, insurance forms or other legal document. Eye witness testimony from 2 or more persons might support proof of ownership, if they are still alive to testify. Example: "I claim the stone maps in your possession as my inheritance and I claim to have "proof of ownership" documents supporting my claim. Any attorney worth their salt will defeat my claim on your behalf. Whomever has possession of maps, stones, photos has the upper hand. Unfortunately the same is not true regarding found treasure of this you are well aware.

Back to the stones (which this thread is about). At least post pics of stones in your possession. After all no one will claim your pics as there's , or will they?

 

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[EarnieP]

The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no possession over the property.

In re Garza, 984 S.W.2d 344, 347 (Tex. App. 1998), Texas court has held that “Despite the old saying that "possession is 9/10ths of the law," mere possession and whatever right to the property that comes with mere possession does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. J. CRIBBET, PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 12-13 (1962); R. BOYER, SURVEY OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 679-80 (1981). In other words, there is a hierarchy of ownership, as reflected both in the common law and § 1.07(35)(a) of the Penal Code. One in possession of chattel has a greater right to it than one who lacks both possession and title. Yet, one who has title maintains a greater right over the chattel than 1) one who simply has possession and 2) one who has neither possession nor claim of ownership. Id. Indeed, it can be said that the title owner has the greatest rights to the property. With that greatest right comes the power to negate the authority of those with lesser right. Similarly, those who stand in the lesser position lack the power to override or negate the rights of the title owner.”

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Excellent. Now we're getting somewhere.

"one who has title maintains a greater right over the chattel than one who simply has possession"

So it sounds like 'proof of title' is 'proof of ownership'.
And proof of title is proven by what?

Does that circle us back to ; "clear and compelling testimony or documentation"?

(We're actually still on the Peralta Stones and other possible related accoutrements (another word I never use.))

 

[wrmickel1]

Wrmickel1. Possession trumps claims of ownership. There is no way to demonstrate "proof of ownership" without a waybill, contract, insurance forms or other legal document. Eye witness testimony from 2 or more persons might support proof of ownership, if they are still alive to testify. Example: "I claim the stone maps in your possession as my inheritance and I claim to have "proof of ownership" documents supporting my claim. Any attorney worth their salt will defeat my claim on your behalf. Whomever has possession of maps, stones, photos has the upper hand. Unfortunately the same is not true regarding found treasure of this you are well aware.

Back to the stones (which this thread is about). At least post pics of stones in your possession. After all no one will claim your pics as there's , or will they?

Won't work to big a trail on the maps

 

[wrmickel1]

Rubber Room For the two's of ya,

 

[wrmickel1]

Ok, I had my motorcycle stolen it looked like a hundred others. I reported it had no title. But it was a Yamaha I broke the handle bars off it once and repaired it my self. The guy said it was his. I told the cop when I repaired the bars I used a Suzuki bolt with a big S on the bolt to repair it. Got my bike back and the punk got arrested.

Wrmickel1

 

[wrmickel1]

Besides, I'm kinda Heart Broken right now.
Ryan the Great Douch kicked me off his thread for making him look like a Douch ![emoji3]

But I'm sure He's got Douch copy write two!

 

[nobodie]

I don't see anyone else showing their maps.

 

[EarnieP]

Ok, I had my motorcycle stolen it looked like a hundred others. I reported it had no title. But it was a Yamaha I broke the handle bars off it once and repaired it my self. The guy said it was his. I told the cop when I repaired the bars I used a Suzuki bolt with a big S on the bolt to repair it. Got my bike back and the punk got arrested.

Wrmickel1

And there's that 'compelling testimony'. S marks the spot!

 

[azdave35]

I don't see anyone else showing their maps.

you first

 

[sgtfda]

Besides, I'm kinda Heart Broken right now.
Ryan the Great Douch kicked me off his thread for making him look like a Douch ![emoji3]

But I'm sure He's got Douch copy write two!

 

[Oso]

Oso

Other then Dave laughing, Yes, and no to the share, For Now.

Wrmickel1

Wrmickel,

Very interesting.

First, my prospecting days are well into my past. I don’t seek out treasure in the Superstitions for I would surely come out by helicopter. I simply find the legend of the stones fascinating and my primary interest is the history of them. Over the past several years, I have flip flopped on whether I believe Travis found the original stones or Travis made them. I am presently firmly in the Travis made them camp.

Disclaimer…
I have zero evidence, that isn’t mostly already in the public domain, I only base my opinion on what I’ve observed, read and been told in and outside of these forums.

That said (other than the Legends show) I find Frank to be very credible and believable. I have mostly considered “Old” credible and believable (but somewhat testy lately). I have mostly considered Ryan credible and believable in that I believe he believed everything he reported at the time he reported it even though some of it turned out later to be inaccurate. I do find him seemingly spring loaded in the pissed off position and perhaps a little too eager to cast aside some who could have and in fact did actually help him. Of course I don’t know the facts.

Now you come along Wrm and make a claim that, if proven to be true, could in-fact fill in many of the blanks. While I find this all very entertaining, I also find myself wondering where to find the truth.

I pretty much believed the museum stones were the real deal until I saw them the first time a few years ago. My opinion immediately changed and since that point I have doubted their authenticity.

I have two theories; one, Mitchell was sold a set of copies and then made (at least) another set which are the museum stones we see today. And when I say copy, I mean a copy of the original stones as found in the bumper photo which I presently believe Travis carved. Or, Mitchell was sold the original set (that Travis carved) and made at least one more copy to donate. In any case, I don’t believe the museum set was carved by Travis even though I believe he carved the “original” set that we see in the bumper photo.

So… following my totally unsubstantiated theory, if the museum stones aren’t the originals, the originals have to be somewhere. South Dakota is as good a place as any. Do I believe you have the originals? Let’s just say I’m very skeptical.

If you really have them, do I think you owe anyone a peek at ‘em? No, but it would be really cool if you did and it would be even better if you can document the chain of custody.

Oso (not copyrighted)

 

[EarnieP]

Wrmickel,

Very interesting.

First, my prospecting days are well into my past. I don’t seek out treasure in the Superstitions for I would surely come out by helicopter. I simply find the legend of the stones fascinating and my primary interest is the history of them. Over the past several years, I have flip flopped on whether I believe Travis found the original stones or Travis made them. I am presently firmly in the Travis made them camp.

Disclaimer…
I have zero evidence, that isn’t mostly already in the public domain, I only base my opinion on what I’ve observed, read and been told in and outside of these forums.

That said (other than the Legends show) I find Frank to be very credible and believable. I have mostly considered “Old” credible and believable (but somewhat testy lately). I have mostly considered Ryan credible and believable in that I believe he believed everything he reported at the time he reported it even though some of it turned out later to be inaccurate. I do find him seemingly spring loaded in the pissed off position and perhaps a little too eager to cast aside some who could have and in fact did actually help him. Of course I don’t know the facts.

Now you come along Wrm and make a claim that, if proven to be true, could in-fact fill in many of the blanks. While I find this all very entertaining, I also find myself wondering where to find the truth.

I pretty much believed the museum stones were the real deal until I saw them the first time a few years ago. My opinion immediately changed and since that point I have doubted their authenticity.

I have two theories; one, Mitchell was sold a set of copies and then made (at least) another set which are the museum stones we see today. And when I say copy, I mean a copy of the original stones as found in the bumper photo which I presently believe Travis carved. Or, Mitchell was sold the original set (that Travis carved) and made at least one more copy to donate. In any case, I don’t believe the museum set was carved by Travis even though I believe he carved the “original” set that we see in the bumper photo.

So… following my totally unsubstantiated theory, if the museum stones aren’t the originals, the originals have to be somewhere. South Dakota is as good a place as any. Do I believe you have the originals? Let’s just say I’m very skeptical.

If you really have them, do I think you owe anyone a peek at ‘em? No, but it would be really cool if you did and it would be even better if you can document the chain of custody.

Oso (not copyrighted)

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My thoughts, exactly!

The same on prospecting in the Superstition, on Frank, on Old, on Ryan, on the Stones, and on Wrm (as far as you went).
It's like we're twins.

 

[Matthew Roberts]

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My thoughts, exactly!

The same on prospecting in the Superstition, on Frank, on Old, on Ryan, on the Stones, and on Wrm (as far as you went).
It's like we're twins.

ErnieP and Oso,

If you want to know the story of the Peralta Stone maps ( the Cross/Heart, the DON and the Priest map) and what happened to them after they left the possession of Travis Tumlinson, send a PM to my inbox.

Matthew Roberts

 

[wrmickel1]

Hey!

 

[cw0909]

ErnieP and Oso,

If you want to know the story of the Peralta Stone maps ( the Cross/Heart, the DON and the Priest map) and what happened to them after they left the possession of Travis Tumlinson, send a PM to my inbox.

Matthew Roberts

so the invite for that info is only for ErnieP and Oso?
if so, you could have just sent each a pm

 

[somehiker]

ErnieP and Oso,

If you want to know the story of the Peralta Stone maps ( the Cross/Heart, the DON and the Priest map) and what happened to them after they left the possession of Travis Tumlinson, send a PM to my inbox.

Matthew Roberts

'bout time ya checked in on all this with some of that, Matt.
But the other side of the story begins before the exchange took place, and for other reasons as well IMO.

 

[Dirt1955]

Frank started this thread on 5/2/15. This makes #1837 posts...to date. I am not a miner or treasure hunter. I compile the history of subjects I am interested in. My grand children will have fun going through the material .The stones history should be told. The real treasure is the truth of how the stones came to be and in my opinion the people who touched them, photo graphed them, possess them today. Thanks Frank. #1837 posts and counting...

 

[wrmickel1]

Wrmickel,

Very interesting.

First, my prospecting days are well into my past. I don’t seek out treasure in the Superstitions for I would surely come out by helicopter. I simply find the legend of the stones fascinating and my primary interest is the history of them. Over the past several years, I have flip flopped on whether I believe Travis found the original stones or Travis made them. I am presently firmly in the Travis made them camp.

Disclaimer…
I have zero evidence, that isn’t mostly already in the public domain, I only base my opinion on what I’ve observed, read and been told in and outside of these forums.

That said (other than the Legends show) I find Frank to be very credible and believable. I have mostly considered “Old” credible and believable (but somewhat testy lately). I have mostly considered Ryan credible and believable in that I believe he believed everything he reported at the time he reported it even though some of it turned out later to be inaccurate. I do find him seemingly spring loaded in the pissed off position and perhaps a little too eager to cast aside some who could have and in fact did actually help him. Of course I don’t know the facts.

Now you come along Wrm and make a claim that, if proven to be true, could in-fact fill in many of the blanks. While I find this all very entertaining, I also find myself wondering where to find the truth.

I pretty much believed the museum stones were the real deal until I saw them the first time a few years ago. My opinion immediately changed and since that point I have doubted their authenticity.

I have two theories; one, Mitchell was sold a set of copies and then made (at least) another set which are the museum stones we see today. And when I say copy, I mean a copy of the original stones as found in the bumper photo which I presently believe Travis carved. Or, Mitchell was sold the original set (that Travis carved) and made at least one more copy to donate. In any case, I don’t believe the museum set was carved by Travis even though I believe he carved the “original” set that we see in the bumper photo.

So… following my totally unsubstantiated theory, if the museum stones aren’t the originals, the originals have to be somewhere. South Dakota is as good a place as any. Do I believe you have the originals? Let’s just say I’m very skeptical.

If you really have them, do I think you owe anyone a peek at ‘em? No, but it would be really cool if you did and it would be even better if you can document the chain of custody.

Oso (not copyrighted)

Oso

North Dakota

Well yah I'd be very skeptical, Down right full of ****.
But that's the bet, Frank will have to post weather I solved the maps, no doubt, or I'm full of ****. The price I pay is now Frank will know how they work.

But I'm good with that, I'm way ahead like out the door!
Cause like I said, I could post one pic, And you all would have no doubt.

As a side note I offered the same Deal to Ron Feldman and he chose,I'm full of ****. At a total cost of nothing. But that was at the very beginning of my search about 5/6 years ago. They could have done the ground work in months by horse back. But I did it by boots. Took a little longer!

Now will I give Frank all that the maps contain, No
Just enough and a tad more.

We see how it plays out.

Wrmickel1

 

[azdave35]

Oso

North Dakota

Well yah I'd be very skeptical, Down right full of ****.
But that's the bet, Frank will have to post weather I solved the maps, no doubt, or I'm full of ****. The price I pay is now Frank will know how they work.

But I'm good with that, I'm way ahead like out the door!
Cause like I said, I could post one pic, And you all would have no doubt.

As a side note I offered the same Deal to Ron Feldman and he chose,I'm full of ****. At a total cost of nothing. But that was at the very beginning of my search about 5/6 years ago. They could have done the ground work in months by horse back. But I did it by boots. Took a little longer!

Now will I give Frank all that the maps contain, No
Just enough and a tad more.

We see how it plays out.

Wrmickel1

 

[Oso]

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My thoughts, exactly!

The same on prospecting in the Superstition, on Frank, on Old, on Ryan, on the Stones, and on Wrm (as far as you went).
It's like we're twins.

Most of my friends would find it scary if I was twins.