Legend of the Stone Maps

[Hal Croves]

matthew..according to all the local LDM guru's those stone maps have been examined by quite a few experts and deemed a hoax...they tell me the stone maps have been gone over by a few universities and none of them think they are the real deal....thats why i've never spent much time on the maps

In all seriousness Dave, and with respect, who are these local "LDM guru's" and what makes them experts on the phenomenon of stone treasure maps? Seems like two uniquely different ideas.

 

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The maps

Gentlemen:

So who did the Latin heart?

Tumlinson or a lonesome cowboy with time to kill.


Starman

 

[DiggerGal]

I realize this was not addressed to me, but perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this aspect. Here is a direct quote:

The short version of the story is that we were told by the family members with whom we spoke, that Travis Tumlinson carved the stone maps.

unquote

This is posted on another forum, and it is against the rules to post links to other forums here. However anyone curious can find it, the title of the thread is Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps, posted on Jun 28, 2011. The thread also discusses other stone carvings done by Travis, including a treasure chest and a Spanish treasure galleon, along with some on the chimney of the family home as well. If Travis did not carve the stone maps, these are very peculiar coincidences indeed.

PS wow someone finally got Travis' manuscript? And now is selling it, or ten copies of it, for $600 each? Hmm. Sarge is banned as is RG1976? What the heck happened? Hopefully this will get straightened out soon.

:coffee2;

Oroblonco,

It is indeed very strong coincidences that all of the carvings in Travis' collection have significant similarities ie: treasure chest, stone maps, chimney etc. here is my biggest question; who the hell carves Anything on their house? Would you?

 

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[azdave35]

Oroblonco,

It is indeed very strong coincidences that all of the carvings in Travis' collection have significant similarities ie: treasure chest, stone maps, chimney etc. here is my biggest question; who the hell carves Anything on their house? Would you?

tina...it must be a texas thing...lol

 

[releventchair]

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Quick, hide the evidence!

 

[coazon de oro]

I realize this was not addressed to me, but perhaps I can shed a bit of light on this aspect. Here is a direct quote:

The short version of the story is that we were told by the family members with whom we spoke, that Travis Tumlinson carved the stone maps.

unquote

This is posted on another forum, and it is against the rules to post links to other forums here. However anyone curious can find it, the title of the thread is Travis Tumlinson and the Stone Maps, posted on Jun 28, 2011. The thread also discusses other stone carvings done by Travis, including a treasure chest and a Spanish treasure galleon, along with some on the chimney of the family home as well. If Travis did not carve the stone maps, these are very peculiar coincidences indeed.

PS wow someone finally got Travis' manuscript? And now is selling it, or ten copies of it, for $600 each? Hmm. Sarge is banned as is RG1976? What the heck happened? Hopefully this will get straightened out soon.

:coffee2;

Who's the real con artist?

 

[azdave35]

Who's the real con artist?

you tell us

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Quote "The short version of the story is that we were told by the family members with whom we spoke, that Travis Tumlinson carved the stone maps".

As compelling as that statement sounds, factually it is not true. No one in the Tumlinson family, not daughter Janie, not cousin Joe or brother Ken ever personally said they saw Travis Tumlinson carve the Peralta Stone Maps. Not one of them.

You have to make the distinction between chimney carvings and the actual Peralta Stone Maps. If you use the statements Travis carved the chimney and lump the Stone Maps in as well you are stating a falsehood. The Tumlinson family said he carved the chimney, but no one said they saw him carve the Stone Maps. In fact what they did say was cousin Joe was the only person who MAY have seen Travis carve the Stone Maps at Travis mothers house but cousin Joe never said he did. With no eye witness we have only opinion.

I know that falsehood has been spread far and wide and believed by many but it just isn't true.

Matthew

 

[DiggerGal]

Quote "The short version of the story is that we were told by the family members with whom we spoke, that Travis Tumlinson carved the stone maps".

As compelling as that statement sounds, factually it is not true. No one in the Tumlinson family, not daughter Janie, not cousin Joe or brother Ken ever personally said they saw Travis Tumlinson carve the Peralta Stone Maps. Not one of them.

You have to make the distinction between chimney carvings and the actual Peralta Stone Maps. If you use the statements Travis carved the chimney and lump the Stone Maps in as well you are stating a falsehood. The Tumlinson family said he carved the chimney, but no one said they saw him carve the Stone Maps. In fact what they did say was cousin Joe was the only person who MAY have seen Travis carve the Stone Maps at Travis mothers house but cousin Joe never said he did. With no eye witness we have only opinion.

I know that falsehood has been spread far and wide and believed by many but it just isn't true.

Matthew

Matthew,

The interview with his close friend that he took trips with to the sups, "Witnessed" TT carving 0's on the back of the stone.
As for the Tumlinsons and their statements that you are (I'm assuming) paraphrasing.
Were the statements told to you personally? Meaning, you, yourself, interviewed the family?

Thanks Again.

 

[DiggerGal]

Who's the real con artist?

What does that mean? Are referencing someone other than Travis, Mitchell, Davis, etc. as a con artist?

 

[Oroblanco]

Oroblonco,

It is indeed very strong coincidences that all of the carvings in Travis' collection have significant similarities ie: treasure chest, stone maps, chimney etc. here is my biggest question; who the hell carves Anything on their house? Would you?

To be honest, YES and in fact I have two carving projects to do on my house, the front door and a cigar store Indian. I also carve gunstocks - so I guess it depends on the individual, if you like to carve, you carve, right?

 

[Matthew Roberts]

In all seriousness Dave, and with respect, who are these local "LDM guru's" and what makes them experts on the phenomenon of stone treasure maps? Seems like two uniquely different ideas.

Hal Croves, azdave35,

I think the only valid examination that was ever done on the Stone Maps was the one Clarence Mitchell had done at Redlands University shortly after he acquired them from Travis Tumlinsons widow in 1961. Mitchell wrote of that examination in his book Superstition Treasures.

I say this because every other examination was done long after the Stone Maps had been in the possession of the ADMMR / Flagg and copies of those maps had been made by Flagg and at least two other private individuals. I don't believe the Stone Maps at Flagg were the originals to begin with. The odds are almost 100% any examination after Flagg became involved was done on copies, not originals.

To accept unquestioningly a post Flagg examination (1999 or later) of the Stone Maps while ignoring Mitchell's 1961 examination and findings flies in the face of all reason.

Matthew

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

roy..i dont think ryan and frank are banned...they just cannot log in to tnet and haven't been told the reason why...they have inquired as to the reason but got no response

Frank has posted tonight, Ryan can no longer log in, he told admin last week he was leaving TN and asked that his profile be deleted....

 

[DiggerGal]

To be honest, YES and in fact I have two carving projects to do on my house, the front door and a cigar store Indian. I also carve gunstocks - so I guess it depends on the individual, if you like to carve, you carve, right?

I'm not referring to a door or a gun stock. That is woodworking and is a craft of its own. But to carve a treasure map on my house? No.

 

[Oroblanco]

I'm not referring to a door or a gun stock. That is woodworking and is a craft of its own. But to carve a treasure map on my house? No.

Well I have to respectfully disagree there, in fact carving wood, is only a different medium from carving stone or clay or glass or metal. I have tried a little metal carving, and one day will try carving some stone too. And as to a treasure map on my house? Absolutely! Heck I would love to have one on the fireplace surround! What a great decorative idea!

Matthew Roberts wrote

Quote "The short version of the story is that we were told by the family members with whom we spoke, that Travis Tumlinson carved the stone maps".

As compelling as that statement sounds, factually it is not true. No one in the Tumlinson family, not daughter Janie, not cousin Joe or brother Ken ever personally said they saw Travis Tumlinson carve the Peralta Stone Maps. Not one of them.

You have to make the distinction between chimney carvings and the actual Peralta Stone Maps. If you use the statements Travis carved the chimney and lump the Stone Maps in as well you are stating a falsehood. The Tumlinson family said he carved the chimney, but no one said they saw him carve the Stone Maps. In fact what they did say was cousin Joe was the only person who MAY have seen Travis carve the Stone Maps at Travis mothers house but cousin Joe never said he did. With no eye witness we have only opinion.

I know that falsehood has been spread far and wide and believed by many but it just isn't true.

Matthew

I beg to differ.

A day or so later, after Larry’s sojourn to south Texas, he called Janie and told her that he was interested in the Stone Maps. Janie said, ”Oh yes, Travis carved them!” Larry was certainly taken aback that she was so forthcoming and I’m sure that he was disappointed. When he told me the story, I asked him what he thought. He said, “Well it came from the horse’s mouth so to speak”. Larry would continue to wrestle with the idea the remainder of the time he was in contact with Janie.

If you need the source, contact me.

 

[cw0909]

Frank has posted tonight, Ryan can no longer log in, he told admin last week he was leaving TN and asked that his profile be deleted....

it dosent look deleted, we can still see it if we are logged in
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/members/93708.html

 

[DiggerGal]

Well I have to respectfully disagree there, in fact carving wood, is only a different medium from carving stone or clay or glass or metal. I have tried a little metal carving, and one day will try carving some stone too. And as to a treasure map on my house? Absolutely! Heck I would love to have one on the fireplace surround! What a great decorative idea!

Matthew Roberts wrote


I beg to differ.



If you need the source, contact me.

Touché on the carvings. Lol

 

[releventchair]

More a cabin/shack than a house. A sandstone chimney a great target for visiting treasure hunters to tag. Or a resident.
Who knows back then, a too windy day,empty bottles, perhaps no radio or t.v. a guy might get ambitious and carve walls before climbing them.
Retired judge alias Robert Traver was rumored to have had guests sign empty bottles to be displayed at his cabin.
Symbols of passion and or memory maybe. Like near the water there.

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Well I have to respectfully disagree there, in fact carving wood, is only a different medium from carving stone or clay or glass or metal. I have tried a little metal carving, and one day will try carving some stone too. And as to a treasure map on my house? Absolutely! Heck I would love to have one on the fireplace surround! What a great decorative idea!

Matthew Roberts wrote


I beg to differ.



If you need the source, contact me.

oroblanco,

Janie Tumlinson couldn't possibly have.

Alice Janie Tumlinson did not say she saw Travis Tumlinson carve the stone maps. There is a huge difference between someone saying, " Oh Yes, oroblanco ate the last piece of pizza" and, ..... Oh Yes, I saw oroblanco eat the last piece of pizza."

Janie Tumlinson would not even have been born in 1949 when the Stone Maps were allegedly carved so there is no way she possibly could have known her father carved them. She may have assumed he carved them but once again we are back to someones opinion.
I knew Larry Webb. No need for that source.

DiggerGal,

Touche' LOL