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[bigscoop]

Given the amount of traffic going back and forth between Richmond and Lynchburg, this including Ward, I think there is ZERO chance that Ward didn't at least know of this Thomas J. Beale and that this Thomas J. Beale wasn't aware of the narration/publication considering that he was the only man in the entire region with the main character's “exact name” and who could have possibly roughly fit the general “freeman of color” description. At this point, I think to even consider otherwise is just plain blind and ridiculous.

 

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[bigscoop]

Now we know why masterpoe thinks ......

He thinks!

 

[ECS]

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Then we have the Alderman Thomas J Beale, sometimes spelled "Beal" who lived on 910 North Fifth Street, Richmond.

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pemberton-312
Married Sophia Pemberton , October 1, 1851, and notice son Charles, the one mentioned in the 1886 DAILY TIMES newspaper article, who visited from Texas.

 

[bigscoop]

Sophia Pemberton (b. 1835) | WikiTree: The FREE Family Tree
Married Sophia Pemberton , October 1, 1851, and notice son Charles, the one mentioned in the 1886 DAILY TIMES newspaper article, who visited from Texas.

Interesting....

 

[ECS]

It seems that 910 North Fifth Street Richmond is now a vacant lot.
http://www.trulia.com/property-siremap/VA/Richmond/23219/North_5th_Street
One street over on 910 North 4th Street
910 N 4th Street, Richmond, VA 23219 | Homesnap
When Alderman Thomas J Beale lived there they area was known as Shockoe Hill, a part of Jackson Ward, then later called Apostle Town , and today, Gilpin Court, a dangerous crime ridden section of Richmond.

 

[bigscoop]

All I can really say about the narration is this; "If" there is any manner of hidden truth in the narration then Morriss was running something of a safe house and those deposits were the result of a military/government action. Not only do we have that exact chronological order of events in regards to the treaty dates and the deposit dates but we also have the exact ten-year term in that same treaty that is presented in the narration.

The stars, magical maps, super secret land formations, mythical KGC conspiracies, Poe, Twain, fantastical treasure legends, etc., these proposed solutions are all the fictional products of man's own fascination, but that treaty, it was real and it really did exist and take place. If there is any manner of truth in the narration then it won't be the product of other super human and/or otherwise impossible feats, it will be the product of something that was real.

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Thomas J Beale (1826 - 1884) - Find A Grave Memorial
Two Thomas Beales from Botetourt county, one went to New Orleans, the other with a "J" went to sunny California.
Then we have the Alderman Thomas J Beale, sometimes spelled "Beal" who lived on 910 North Fifth Street, Richmond.

The reference to Thomas J Beale born 1826 - 1884, buried in a Masonic cemetery in sunny California, is the nephew of Thomas Beale of New Orleans.
This has already been established swimming up the geneology creek . . . remember?

Gates

 

[ECS]

Charles William Beale was the BROTHER of the Thomas Beale that went to New Orleans.
http://www.geni.com/people/John-Beale/6000000008998963654
Then again, with everything involved in the Beale tale, means absolutely nothing.
Thomas Beale died in New Orleans, September 1820, but what were the dates on those alleged letters he sent to Robert Morriss, which is the basis of this adventure/treasure story?

 

[Benjamin Gates]

"Charles William Beale was the BROTHER of the Thomas Beale that went to New Orleans." You are correct, also already been established.

Gates

 

[ECS]

Which has no bearing on the 1885 Beale Papers dime novel pamphlet copyrighted by James Beverly Ward, also already been established.

 

[Cryptography]

Charles William Beale was the BROTHER of the Thomas Beale that went to New Orleans.
http://www.geni.com/people/John-Beale/6000000008998963654
Then again, with everything involved in the Beale tale, means absolutely nothing.
Thomas Beale died in New Orleans, September 1820, but what were the dates on those alleged letters he sent to Robert Morriss, which is the basis of this adventure/treasure story?

I have not seen paperwork on this yet other than Jr died in that year and his probate was done after his mother was found and able to attend. It was that the first lawsuit was in 1822 against the debt Jr had for the hotel come due. Beale Sr left town with a pocket full of money in 1819 and had been all over the US before that!

 

[ECS]

... Beale Sr left town with a pocket full of money in 1819 and had been all over the US before that!

No one has ever seen "paperwork" on this claim, just wishful fitting pieces to support ones weak theory.

 

[franklin]

I have not seen paperwork on this yet other than Jr died in that year and his probate was done after his mother was found and able to attend. It was that the first lawsuit was in 1822 against the debt Jr had for the hotel come due. Beale Sr left town with a pocket full of money in 1819 and had been all over the US before that!

Wrong the probate was in 1824 because Thomas Beale owned property that was in dispute in another parish that had been incorporated into Jefferson Parish. The dispute was over TJB SR. selling land to TJB JR and him being an illegitimate son while there were other legitimate children that had prior claim to the properties. Later a trial which ran into the 1830's was over TJB Jr.'s real mother showing up trying to claim the property that TJB JR purchased from TJB SR which was made null and void. You are confusing the facts to match Jean Laf's train of thought.

 

[bigscoop]

In what year, documented, did Thomas J. Beale's son visit him in Richmond?

 

[franklin]

I don't know about a Thomas J. Beale but the Thomas Beale Sr. and Thomas Beale Jr. had nothing to do with Richmond. At least I have never seen any documentation.

 

[ECS]

Wrong... You are confusing the facts to match Jean Laf's train of thought.

A lot of confused facts have been posted on these threads.
Laf alone has combined three different Beales just to prove that Thomas Beale did not die September 1820 in New Orleans so he could write letters to Robert Morriss in 1822.

 

[bigscoop]

I don't know about a Thomas J. Beale but the Thomas Beale Sr. and Thomas Beale Jr. had nothing to do with Richmond. At least I have never seen any documentation.

Just pointing out that there are "a lot" of discrepancies in ancestry databases. Someone is said to have died on a certain date and then poof! There they are in a newspaper write up a year or two later. Happens all the time so have to be careful how much stock we place in lot of that database information. Remember, a great deal of it is compiled from multiple sources of what is often conflicting information.

 

[bigscoop]

“If God wishes to love the fifth generation to come, he will unveil the intentions and the spirit of the dead. And with my help! Down with the British Dragoon!" Interesting here that he did reference the Spanish, the country he despised most of all. Wonder why?

 

[ECS]

Are you bringing forth your old theories again?
Will we journey back to Champ 'd Aisle and Bonapartism in Bedford county?
Is the Alderman Beale theory now discarded?

 

[bigscoop]

Are you bringing forth your old theories again?
Will we journey back to Champ 'd Aisle and Bonapartism in Bedford county?
Is the Alderman Beale theory now discarded?

Nope, an alderman Beale is still as solid as ever. Even more so today.