Is this real?

[Peg Leg]

To all those that understand how the coins were made I will ask ONE MORE TIME.
DID THE SPAINISH EVER USE THE SAME DIES TO STAMP BOTH GOLD AND SILVER?
Thre should be someone who can answer this simple question
Peg Leg

 

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[Salvor6]

Peg Leg, the Spanish NEVER used the same dies to stamp gold and silver.

 

[Salvor6]

I did some research on Atocha coins because there were so many of them. The lowr die lasted for about 10,000 strikes since it was stationary. The upper die which is hand held lasted for about 8,000 strikes. You can tell when they changed dies by the telltale scratches on the coins caused by file marks on the die.

 

[Salvor6]

Trez is a real coin pro, so is Daniel Sedwick. If they say a coin is fake, it's fake.

 

[Trez]

Trez is a real coin pro, so is Daniel Sedwick. If they say a coin is fake, it's fake.

Thanks salvor 6...you nailed Sedwick, he as well as his late father are the pro's. Daniel Sedwick is one of the true professionals in the field of cob coinage.
As for myself...I am just a serious collector, and study cobs more closely than some. I look for odd details, rare overstrikes, fakes, all the little stuff that makes them my choice of coinage to study...really, thanks for your kind words, but stick with Sedwick and a few others out there for the hard stuff, I will always offer my honest thoughts, silly knowledge, or opinion on their coin if one asks or posts on.
Again,

Trez

 

[Trez]

Salvor,
great piece of intel! Thanks!
That might be one of the reasons that some people are quick to call a cob fake when it's just a worn die. What do you think about that?
Cheers,
Doc

Do me a favor...next time you make a statement like that...let me include myself in your category of "quick to call a cob a fake"

with that said, let me assure you...........when and if I do call someones cob a fake or copy...you can bet your arse on it, it is.

Trez

 

[Trez]

Re: This is for Peg Leg

To all those that understand how the coins were made I will ask ONE MORE TIME.
DID THE SPAINISH EVER USE THE SAME DIES TO STAMP BOTH GOLD AND SILVER?
Thre should be someone who can answer this simple question
Peg Leg

Peg,

I read your post again...
and the answer you seek is.......

Yes....they did use the same dies on some gold and silver coinage.
Look it up in "The Cob Coinage of Colombia" J. Lasser and J.E. Restrepo...
they did indeed use the "obverse" (shield side) dies for both gold and silver production. The dies were produced in Seville/Madrid.

Hope that helps...

Trez

 

[Peg Leg]

Trez,Thanks, This I have been told. I was also told that SOMETIMES the coins were not hammered at the same time=meaning that both dies were not used at the same time.
Peg Leg

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I plan on bringing this cob and a few other finds to the Treasure Beach party in August where Trez and the other experts can examine the cob up close and I will post the results. 8)

 

[divewrecks]

I plan on bringing this cob and a few other finds to the Treasure Beach party in August where Trez and the other experts can examine the cob up close and I will post the results. 8)

Dude, the party is in July now. Check other threads. As a self proclaimed expert (ha-ha) I would like to examine and/or fondle it. For the privelige I will give you an 8 escudo piece which can be exchanged for your beverage of preference at the Holiday Inn.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I plan on bringing this cob and a few other finds to the Treasure Beach party in August where Trez and the other experts can examine the cob up close and I will post the results. 8)

Dude, the party is in July now. Check other threads. As a self proclaimed expert (ha-ha) I would like to examine and/or fondle it. For the privelige I will give you an 8 escudo piece which can be exchanged for your beverage of preference at the Holiday Inn.

Im talking about the Aug 11-12 Treasure Beach Party put on by Deepsix at Sebastian.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91812.0.html
What other threads?
I just want to put this cob issue to rest.

 

[divewrecks]

I plan on bringing this cob and a few other finds to the Treasure Beach party in August where Trez and the other experts can examine the cob up close and I will post the results. 8)

Dude, the party is in July now. Check other threads. As a self proclaimed expert (ha-ha) I would like to examine and/or fondle it. For the privelige I will give you an 8 escudo piece which can be exchanged for your beverage of preference at the Holiday Inn.

Im talking about the Aug 11-12 Treasure Beach Party put on by Deepsix at Sebastian.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91812.0.html
What other threads?
I just want to put this cob issue to rest.

I was talking about the treasure expo later this month in Cocoa Beach. We can put this "cob issue" to rest now. From the weight you quoted it is an 8 reale coin. It was minted in Mexico under assayer "J" (Jose Eustaquio de Leon y Losa) between 1705 and 1724. Looks like a common coin from the 1715 fleet. Very nice strike, but nothing to write home about. I would value around $200 without cert. Stan Dilcher

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I plan on bringing this cob and a few other finds to the Treasure Beach party in August where Trez and the other experts can examine the cob up close and I will post the results. 8)

Dude, the party is in July now. Check other threads. As a self proclaimed expert (ha-ha) I would like to examine and/or fondle it. For the privelige I will give you an 8 escudo piece which can be exchanged for your beverage of preference at the Holiday Inn.

Im talking about the Aug 11-12 Treasure Beach Party put on by Deepsix at Sebastian.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91812.0.html
What other threads?
I just want to put this cob issue to rest.

I was talking about the treasure expo later this month in Cocoa Beach. We can put this "cob issue" to rest now. From the weight you quoted it is an 8 reale coin. It was minted in Mexico under assayer "J" (Jose Eustaquio de Leon y Losa) between 1705 and 1724. Looks like a common coin from the 1715 fleet. Very nice strike, but nothing to write home about. I would value around $200 without cert. Stan Dilcher

Thanks Stan, but that we already know. Some posts have been deleted from this old thread. Because many reproductions are lost and later found, I am trying to determine if this is real. I was told by a dealer in the late 70's or early 80's that it was fake. It has been in my junk box ever since.
I think it is real. I will show it to Trez and accept his opinion in August. Hope to see you there as well, dude.
(I have some other interesting, but nothing to write home about , Treasure Beach finds.)

 

[Trez]

Biggy,

Dang that cob of yours still drawing attention? lol
I'll be at the shin-dig beach blast in Aug...you'll get your 2 cents worth from me.
It will be a pleasure to meet you and all the rest of the gang.....just looking forward to a great weekend of eating drinkin' and shooting the *%[email protected] I am sure will be flying
It should be a great time for all...sure looking forward to it.

Trez

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Biggy,

Dang that cob of yours still drawing attention? lol
I'll be at the shin-dig beach blast in Aug...you'll get your 2 cents worth from me.
It will be a pleasure to meet you and all the rest of the gang.....just looking forward to a great weekend of eating drinkin' and shooting the *%[email protected] I am sure will be flying
It should be a great time for all...sure looking forward to it.

Trez

Ill be glad to finally put this issue to rest in August. Looking forward to meeting you and the rest of the gang as well. Maybe Stan can drive down from Georgia. 8)
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,91812.0.html

 

[divewrecks]

As a semi-knowldgeable cob collector and historian I will say yes, it is real. I value whatever Trez has to say, he, like I, probably doesn't need to touch it in person. Looks like the real deal. I will give you $100 for it right now.Let me know where the check should go....Stan Dilcher

 

[Peg Leg]

Speaking of coins.
What if people discovered that the "S" stamped on a few coins did not stand for SEVILLE but instead stood for SEGOVIA.
The Segovia mint was stamping coins way before Seville stamped a single coin.
Dig a little deeper and you will see what I see-MAYBE
Gotta change Doctors and get a different pill

Peg Leg

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

As a semi-knowldgeable cob collector and historian I will say yes, it is real. I value whatever Trez has to say, he, like I, probably doesn't need to touch it in person. Looks like the real deal. I will give you $100 for it right now.Let me know where the check should go....Stan Dilcher

I will keep it. Thanks for the offer. I wish I could remember where we found it...I remember some beach construction ...in the early eighties...or late seventies...I think...I thought it was junk...

 

[divewrecks]

GWDIGGER, I have the books you mentioned, along with several other common and obscure (rare & expensive) cob books. I would like to think that my collection is extensive as well. There was little effort to round off Mexican cobs, as is proven by the many strange shapes. Just getting the bullion back to the homeland so to speak.

The faceted shape you speak of I don't believe was by hammering. Many specimens, especially gold, show destinct "scratch" marks (reference Craig) , indicating filing or sanding.

I am not trying to be controversial (plenty of other internet idiots out there) so please take my comments constructively. If you have better info than me please let me know where to get it. PM is fine if you would rather not forum talk.

Take Care, Stan Dilcher

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I can finally put this issue to rest. It is reale. I attended Deepsix's Sebastian Inlet beach cookout and was honored to meet many of TNet's distinguished members. I compared my cob with a beautiful cob that Frank had in his pocket and the markings are identical. Many members looked at it including Trez, so Im convinced. He says it looks good. The chances of finding a conterfeit cob of this quality back in the early 80's on Treasure Beach would be slim in my opinion. Why I believed the coin dealer, I dont know. You cant trust some of them. Im glad I kept it in the junk box all these years.