Im going to build an LRL (seriously)

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Goo morning EE: you posted --> Picky, picky. "Life" is obviously that quality which makes something "alive." That was inferred, but I guess you need to have it spelled out for you. So I did. Is that OK now?
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Speaking of picky picky, according to your above definition dowsing is that quality of ability which allows you to dowse
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You posted -->I haven't seen the data on Infra Red plant communications. Why not post a link?

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k --> http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/37853/1/IND44318409.pdf also do your own experiments as I did in the 50's, I would tell of them but everyone would jump upon an anecdotal reference.
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you posted -->The problem with logical assumptions is that they might not be based on legitimate logic. Some logic might be based, itself, on false assumptions.
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Now you have defined legitimate scientific investigation, agreed, which means that you cannot blithefully write off the lrl 'theory' because many of the reasons so far given, may be based upon false assumptions.
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You posted --> You can pick up transmissions or stray noise with an oscilloscope probe, and that's got no tuning, except the bandwidth of the scope itself. Or you could use a spectrum analyser.

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Or simply utilize a sensitive living organism, say a human, plant, or microbial life
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You posted --> Your "nano device" is the battery portion of the unit in your link. The actual transmitter is similar to a bluetooth device---big deal.

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I agree, but you missed the point of low nano power.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

OMG-- I can't believe you posted this.

Sometimes assumptions can lead to discoveries which can then be proven, but not always. That's the nature of experimenting.


Did you happen to try the SHO-NUFF experiment I bet not.

I have an experiment for you. It's how to make a pig fly. Do you want to try it?

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

RDT---

You posted -->I haven't seen the data on Infra Red plant communications. Why not post a link?

It won't hurt to post it with the intention that it's so other people can duplicate your experiment. If you start insisting that people "believe" in it simply because you say so, you might get a little flak, though. That's just the way things work.

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

RDT---

Your reference link only shows that leaf reflectivity of infrared changes under certain conditions. There is nothing about inter plant communications.




So, what were your experiments?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

EE, only if you do not fall into swr's time worn silly phrasing of "it has not being reviewed by a scientific body, with out specifying just what is a scientist in the first place".

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

~Real Deal~

EE, only if you do not fall into swr's time worn silly phrasing of "it has not being reviewed by a scientific body, with out specifying just what is a scientist in the first place".

I hope you don’t mind if I give this a try..If we come to T-Net to gain knowledge about the devices we use that is a systematic activity...We exchange information about our experiments and gain more knowledge about LRL’s..In the broader sense is that not what scientist does do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist
A scientist in a broad sense is one engaging in a systematic activity to acquire knowledge. In a more restricted sense, a scientist is an individual who uses the scientific method.[1] The person may be an expert in one or more areas of science.[2] This article focuses on the more restricted use of the word. Scientists perform research toward a more comprehensive understanding of nature, including physical, mathematical and social realms.
This is distinct from philosophers, those who use logic toward a more comprehensive understanding of intangible aspects of reality that lack a direct connection to nature, focusing on the realm of thought itself.
Scientists are also distinct from engineers, those who develop devices that serve practical purposes. When science is done with a goal toward practical utility, it is called 'applied science' (short of the creation of new devices that fall into the realm of engineering). When science is done with an inclusion of intangible aspects of reality it is called 'natural philosophy'.

 

[rockhound]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

This is true as electrical theories have not advanced much,if at all since Maxwell. Most of Maxwells ideas are not even studied any more. If you read the whole book of Maxwell,you will see how much has been left out of the texts and how much more there is to learn. rockhound

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

RDT---

Like I said---

You posted -->I haven't seen the data on Infra Red plant communications. Why not post a link?

It won't hurt to post it with the intention that it's so other people can duplicate your experiment. If you start insisting that people "believe" in it simply because you say so, you might get a little flak, though. That's just the way things work.

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Synics,

The "authorities" have not kept up,and have lagged way behind. As a consequence of this,it is of no value to quote from their erroneous,and passe "information". There's a new authority in town.

Does this mean that you have re-defined terms, like "Science, Scientific Method, Logic, Fact, Reality, and Proof"?

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

This is true as electrical theories have not advanced much,if at all since Maxwell. Most of Maxwells ideas are not even studied any more. If you read the whole book of Maxwell,you will see how much has been left out of the texts and how much more there is to learn. rockhound

Still, theories are just theories until they become proven facts. Some theories become proven, and some don't.

Insisting that fantasies which have never been proven, are actually facts, is fraud.

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Insisting that fantasies which have never been proven, are actually facts, is fraud.


Could this be the fantasy that LRLs don't work?? Hmmm

This post not intended to insult any reader.

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Real Deal; I thought everyone knew about the plant communication. Just a thought why Sparky doesn't. If memory serves me, they were doing an experiment on Pavlov's theorys and the plants "accidentally"got involved. A botanist got involved and it took off. Turned out the plants were informing other plants of insect attacks, fire, and disease at surprising distances. Great point. No doubt they had a 25kw generator up in the limbs.

 

[hung]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Let's see...

Over the other forum we have carl, ozzy, wm6, jp and others.
In this forum we have a couple of the above, ee, swr, and woof as all time of day posters.

One of them is a md employee and part time sci fi writer, another guy is a forum administrator 'in lieu', a couple of guys are skeptic cheerleaders and we also have a phylosopher, an engineer wannabe and a surly.

Is anybody in this party a treasure hunter?
NO.

Now a tough one...
Does anyone of the non-LRL users understand about SCIENCE?
Anybody?

Well... I can only think of one person who is not a LRL user.
Real de Tayopa.

Anybody else?
I told that it would be tough to answer.

 

[hung]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

YES...! And just for the record: The Philosopher is a successful LRL/DOWSER,Treasure Hunter. Please don't let it slip out,as I'm hoping to win JR's Million-Dollars-In-Gold-Prize;which he is going to bury some place in the Mojave Desert.
Thanks for the title--and the compliment.
The truth is,when you saw how much fun we were having,you couldn't resist diving into "The mud,the blood,and the beer".

The Philosopher
P.S. You misspelled my title...

Hi Puff. Sorry, but I was not refering to you. I am a long time LRL user too.
I was talking about the gang of skeptics. The philosopher is one annoying character here that constantly picks on Art with his pre fabricated words.

Actually you have common sense I am appreciating your posts.
Regards.

 

[rockhound]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Evidently some have not yet read the treasure trove laws that exist in almost all states. Also the federal government frowns on not paying your fair share of taxes of these caches. After it is all said and done,there is little left after all the taxes are paid. If I found a cache would I post it on the internet? Would you? rockhound

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Guys, I believe SWR. I will make sure to post my finds from now on so I can have evidence for the government. Which by the way is a wonderful, protecting, honest, and fair organization. Plus I'll be famous for a few minutes and any shiftless jakeleg that knows me will
look me up and want to be "friends". I can hardly wait. Be like a second birthday.

Thanks Sparky.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

~SWR~

You should read the advertisement. You already are famous.
Yes, I do.

It is obvious you are not going to respond to any questions in a logical manner, or validate any claims made. Typical of those soliciting extraordinary claims.

Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof

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Re: Is there a Long Range Locator capable of this?
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I think it is incredibly sad that some of the LRL scammers have chosen to build, sell and promote their devices as explosives and bomb locators - when they know full well there is NO trace of validity to their claims; and they profit from the sales while hundreds of people are killed depending on the false claims and fraudulent devices. Of course those self-appointed saviors of such LRL scammers have the same BLOOD on their hands as those who are actually selling the devices. They may duck and dodge, divert and post pictures of straw men, but in the end they cannot wash the BLOOD off their hands.

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

You have all the proof that you deserve or need.

Yes, I do.

It is obvious you are not going to respond to any questions in a logical manner, or validate any claims made. Typical of those soliciting extraordinary claims.

Get off your duff,and do the tests for your self. I've given you the basic information--for free.

The testing has been done. The results have been publicized, and available to anybody with an internet connection.

There are ample amounts of reliable references, sources and documentations that prove, beyond a shadow of doubt... that what you say is bogus information based on unsound scientific theory. And that the devices solicited in these forums are fraudulent instruments used to perpetrate criminal activities. Such as fraud.

Prove me wrong.

The only way they can prove you wrong is by actually passing a random double-blind test.

They can win $25,000.00 from Carl by scoring only 70% success, but they say they won't attempt it because they don't want that awful 25K!

So they supposedly locatate vast amounts of "treasure," but are afraid of cash!

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Puff, these guys are all talk. Likely never seen a gold coin out of a pack, much less had one. To miss the feel, the SMELL, the coolness of
gold coins, the warmth when they lay in the sun for a while, well, you know. When I see one of them post in this thread, I get a big smile as I know it ain't gonna happen. Guess I'll get back to it. Thanks for the info.

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Fluffy---

If someone really had some kind of device which would do as you claim, they wouldn't waste their time trying to convince people with talk.

They would either just keep their mouth shut, and go out and find all the stuff that you claim, or they would go ahead and patent it and license the patent to a company that could mass produce them.

Carl's test is for LRLs. If you have something else, then it would not be an LRL, would it. So why are you defending all of the LRL promoters on here? And why are you posting in the LRL section in the first place?

Either way, none of what you are saying passes the common sense test.

So what is your game here?