Im going to build an LRL (seriously)

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

hio puff daddy, you posted -->If you're dowsing,you don't need a machine. But an LRL requires a broad-cast frequency.
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The question is, just how strong a signal is actually needed.

Jose de La Mancha

Strong enough to be above the background noise and be amplified.

For those who claim that setting an MFD to the elemental frequency, so that it forms some kind of line between the MFD and the element's own radiated "signal," then both the target and the MFD would need to be strong enough to actually reach each other, and be above the background noise.

For those who claim that their device transmits a signal to the target, causing a signal to return from the target to the device, the signal would need to be strong enough to travel the "Long Distance" to the target and back, all the while being stronger than the background noise.

Neither a function generator nor a timer chip are capable of doing that.

If you think these devices can do it, then find a way to show that in the presence of credible observers, and the LRL and MFD promoters won't be bothered by "skeptics" anymore. Then you can figure out the "science" of it later. The "skeptics" might even help with that.

But until someone does that, it's all just the BS of wild imaginations and greed.

Good God man. How many people are on here now that are telling you this goes on? How many have been run off that said the same thing? We SEE it everytime we go out. Do you think we all fell off a liar tree with the SAME tall tale to spread on forums?

You talk common sense, yet none of it seems to have fell on you. You need to accept that there are things in this universe that NO ONE
understands, not even you.

I repeat,,, If it is that important to you, go on a hunt with someone. SEE for your self. Seriously, it is time for you to be a man. Quit being like Sparky Sr. This is at a point that Stevie Wonder could see what's going on. Don't use the transference thing and think you
and the little critic crew is making any headway. You're not.

Weren't you the one who was complaining about insults?

You have no real data to defend your fantastic claims, so you must resort to insults ans amateur sick-ology.

Show us some real proof!

 

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[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

So you want proof again?

Here it is. (remember you wanted it) I have NEVER reported a post. I have mentioned the continuous insults you have made, Doof
I have mentioned that you think anything is an insult no matter what it is. ( see my last post that you think insults you)

I have had enough training to recognize SERIOUS mental problems, not enough to treat them. ( However, I am partial to recommending a little voltage- the full 12 treatments) You being an EE this would be better for you.

My proof these work is the # of posters and the content of what they post. I can tell they are being truthful as I am experienced and could instantly tell if it were not true where you cannot.

These are facts. You can come up with all the cute little things you want, but it will not change the truth. You can get answers if you really want them. Go on a hunt. Oh, and by the way this is not meant to insult you.

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Now Puff, don't you start with that truth stuff. they'll have that twisted around so you shot Kennedy.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

HI first as I have mentioned various times I have no idea if all or none of the LRL's work, but in theory, which I am talking about, they can.

EE you posted -->Your claims don't have any scientific proof. Until you provide proof, they are merely claims.

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Conversely show 'your' proof that it couldn't.

Even the smallest detectable bit of energy that we can show on our presently developed instruments , is infinitely larger than many of our simple daily processes, yet they do work.

Something to think about-->

The theory behind psionics, lrl's, is based on quantum physics. Briefly the theory goes like this.
All matter in the universe is composed of small packets of energy known as quantas. This energy, which goes into the making up of atoms pulsates or resonates at a particular frequency. Each atom being different therefore, has a slightly different pulsation or frequency. Thus each material thing being made up of a combination of atoms, called molecules, has its own unique frequency, unlike any other. Now because each individual thing is unique, no potato for instance is exactly like any other potato. There exists an "empathy" between the whole potato and each of its individual parts. If you slice that potato in half, the frequency of each half is exactly the same. The only example of that frequency anywhere in the universe. The rub arose when these researchers claimed that an affinity existed between these two pieces. This affinity or empathic resonance formed a link between the two pieces no matter how much distance separated them.
It was some kind of energy link that operated very much like a radio wave. And they found that by using one piece as a sort of tuning crystal in a special kind of transmitter, they could cause a reaction in the other piece, even miles away. Sort of like the mysterious thing that exists between sets of identical twins, who start out in life as a single cell. Often when one twin is injured the other "feels" the pain dispute any distance between them. In other words, these machines are the first to harness the lifeforce energy to make thought reality. They are literally electronic magic.


What it the eergy level of the signal between the two potato pieces?

Remember, there is the basic potato frequency, which is modulated by the individual potato and it's parts.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

RDT---

That's because the potato is alive.

The same thing was done with house plants, many years ago.

Those people might assume that it is radio or quantum energy, but that's just another assumption. Remember Quantum Physics is still just a theory.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

afternoon EE: you posted -->That's because the potato is alive.

Define something as being alive.
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you posted --.Those people might assume that it is radio or quantum energy
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In all honesty, Isn't it?
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you also posted --> Remember Quantum Physics is still just a theory.
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so true, so is the electrical theory that your group has been using..

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

We SEE it everytime we go out.

Then why aren't we seeing anyone collect Carl's $25K?

Or even try?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Hi room: actually how a lrl indicates is secondary to does it work by stimulating a distant object or receives a signal from the object due to natual sources and sensitizes the operator who in turn subsconciouly reacts to cause the indication. If in effect they effectively are dowsing rods so what?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

afternoon EE: you posted -->That's because the potato is alive.

Define something as being alive.
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you posted --.Those people might assume that it is radio or quantum energy
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In all honesty, Isn't it?
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you also posted --> Remember Quantum Physics is still just a theory.
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so true, so is the electrical theory that your group has been using..

Don Jose de La Mancha

What does "alive" mean? I'll give you an example: If it rains on a rock, it could be said that the rock is aware of the water, because it is wet. But does the rock know that it is aware of the water? Anything which is aware of being aware is alive. If half of the potato is aware of what the other half is aware of, that means it is alive. Are you aware of being aware? That's the difference between you and a rock. You are alive, and the rock isn't.

Trying to say that the potato communicates with it's other half, but since the signal can't be picked up, it must be radio waves which are too small to measure, is full of assumptions, and is neither Scientific nor common sense.

The fundamentals of radio and electronics in general, work to make more electronics stuff. They also work to troubleshoot malfunctioning electronics stuff. Electronics fundamentals show that there is no way any existing LRL or MFD can produce an output which will travel more than an inch or so. And guess what?---When you try to measure their output with a Field Strength Meter, it turns out to be true.

And guess what else?---When you ask someone who is pushing the mystical LRL "belief," to show you that it works, thay can't.

If anyone could make one of their devices actually work, they would have taken Carl's $25K long ago. Actually, if they worked, Carl would know it, and would never have offered the $25,000.00 in the first place!

(Of course, a rock wouldn't be able to figure that out, but anybody else can. Just sayin'.)

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Hi room: actually how a lrl indicates is secondary to does it work by stimulating a distant object or receives a signal from the object due to natual sources and sensitizes the operator who in turn subsconciouly reacts to cause the indication. If in effect they effectively are dowsing rods so what?

Don Jose de La Mancha

So what?---First of all, there is no proof that they "stimulate a distant object," or "sensitize the operator." Secondly, there is the problem that the makers don't advertize them as dowsing rods, but as electronic locators, so they can charge high prices for them.

I won't even mention that no dowser has ever passed a random, double-blind test.

 

[rockhound]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Even when taking their money they won't believe it. They can't find a scientific principle to explain it so it doesn'texist. I see it all the time with physicists who have theories about all these things we talk about but because they can't explain it scientifically they calim it don't exist. There are only a few physicists and a few Electronic engineers who have tested these theories and have found them to have substance. They have questioned everything to find the truth. Only when they think outsde the box do they learn what is fact and what is fiction. Quantum theory is just that. Einsteins theory is just that.Electrical theory is just that. Gravity theory is just that. I could go on but I will leave it at that.Good Luck. rockhound

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

~EE~

So what?---First of all, there is no proof that they "stimulate a distant object," or "sensitize the operator." Secondly, there is the problem that the makers don't advertize them as dowsing rods, but as electronic locators, so they can charge high prices for them.
I won't even mention that no dowser has ever passed a random, double-blind test.

No need to answer this nounsense..
http://twm.co.nz/dowsing_jse_com.html
http://www.water-diviner.com/articles3.htm
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_a_water_dowser_work

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Even when taking their money they won't believe it. They can't find a scientific principle to explain it so it doesn'texist. I see it all the time with physicists who have theories about all these things we talk about but because they can't explain it scientifically they calim it don't exist. There are only a few physicists and a few Electronic engineers who have tested these theories and have found them to have substance. They have questioned everything to find the truth. Only when they think outsde the box do they learn what is fact and what is fiction. Quantum theory is just that. Einsteins theory is just that.Electrical theory is just that. Gravity theory is just that. I could go on but I will leave it at that.Good Luck. rockhound

Are you saying that gravity doesn't exist?

It's one thing to take something that's been proven to exist, like gravity, and theorize why it exists, and another totally different concept to take something which has never been proven to exist, and by theorizing only, claim that it does exist.

LRLs and MFDs have never been proven to work---not even for a $25,000.00 reward!

And there is still no sound theory, based on known facts, as to why they even might work.

 

[rockhound]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

I didn't say they didn't exist,I only stated that the theories as to how they work is only that. I do many scientific experiments,and I am not knocking science as a whole. It is just that there are many areas of science that the expalnations are specualtive at most. Even my professor friend doesn't know some of the answers,but he teaches the theories anyway. I agree most things have a scientific explanation,but not all. According to physics,a bumblebee can't fly,but no one told the bumblebee that. Elephants communicate for miles with other herds of elephants,and no one knows how. There are theories,but they may not be true.Animals have a seventh sense that we have somehow lost,or maybe have never had to begin with. Some people claim to possess this gift,but there are also fakes everywhere. Anywhere there is money to be made,they will be fraudsters and thieves. Most people are looking for a get rich quick scheme,and these are the ones that get caught in the traps laid out for such purposes.It happens in the stock market,and all the other potential money makers below that. They prey on peoples greed to get rich quick. Some will research before they buy,but many will not and buy whatever is a potential get rich quick device.Most of these people have moved on to more lucrative business ventures to lure people in.Many have moved to the internet to prey on credit cards and bank cards to make their fortune. The biggest scam recently has been in the social security system. Using dead peoples SS number to secure money from the government. Guess who pays for that? As soon as my big check comes in from that African bank, I may quit treasure hunting for good.LOL.Good Luck. rockhound

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

HI EE boy are you behind times first you were asked what is life?
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Your post -->
a long sentence which still did not addrress 'what is considered life'.
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You posted-->trying to say that the potato communicates with it's other half, but since the signal can't be picked up,
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It certainly can, and plants do cummunicate with other. Infra red among others.
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You posted -->but since the signal can't be picked up, it must be radio waves which are too small to measure, is full of assumptions, and is neither Scientific nor common sense
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Hmm you say that science only able to use proven data, but not assumptions ? and just what is the difference between proven data and logical assmptions?
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You posted-->And guess what?---When you try to measure their output with a Field Strength Meter, it turns out to be true.
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'IF' it is tuned to the actual frequency.
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you posted -->there is no way any existing LRL or MFD can produce an output which will travel more than an inch or so
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http://www.gizmag.com/self-powered-wireless-transmission-nanodevice/18970/

Enough for now

Don Jose de La Mancha


u posted-->The fundamentals of radio and electronics in general, work to make more electronics stuff. They also work to troubleshoot malfunctioning electronics stuff. Electronics fundamentals show that there is no way any existing LRL or MFD can produce an output which will travel more than an inch or so.
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Why?
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You posted -->http://www.gizmag.com/self-powered-wireless-transmission-nanodevice/18970/

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Evening swr posted -->There is nothing electronic about waving dowsing rods around.

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Aha my electrical eng, just what reaction does moving a conductor in a natural earth magnetic field have ?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)
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Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)
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This is where the full discussions can be found..art

 

[EE THr]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

HI EE boy are you behind times first you were asked what is life?
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Your post -->
a long sentence which still did not addrress 'what is considered life'.
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You posted-->trying to say that the potato communicates with it's other half, but since the signal can't be picked up,
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It certainly can, and plants do cummunicate with other. Infra red among others.
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You posted -->but since the signal can't be picked up, it must be radio waves which are too small to measure, is full of assumptions, and is neither Scientific nor common sense
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Hmm you say that science only able to use proven data, but not assumptions ? and just what is the difference between proven data and logical assmptions?
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You posted-->And guess what?---When you try to measure their output with a Field Strength Meter, it turns out to be true.
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'IF' it is tuned to the actual frequency.
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you posted -->there is no way any existing LRL or MFD can produce an output which will travel more than an inch or so
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http://www.gizmag.com/self-powered-wireless-transmission-nanodevice/18970/

Enough for now

Don Jose de La Mancha


u posted-->The fundamentals of radio and electronics in general, work to make more electronics stuff. They also work to troubleshoot malfunctioning electronics stuff. Electronics fundamentals show that there is no way any existing LRL or MFD can produce an output which will travel more than an inch or so.
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Why?
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You posted -->http://www.gizmag.com/self-powered-wireless-transmission-nanodevice/18970/

RDT---

Picky, picky. "Life" is obviously that quality which makes something "alive." That was inferred, but I guess you need to have it spelled out for you. So I did. Is that OK now?

I haven't seen the data on Infra Red plant communications. Why not post a link?

The difference between proven data and logical assumptions, are those qualities which they do not have in common, of course. One is one thing, and the other is another. The problem with logical assumptions is that they might not be based on legitimate logic. Some logic might be based, itself, on false assumptions.

Sometimes assumptions can lead to discoveries which can then be proven, but not always. That's the nature of experimenting.

Assumptions are not proof, while proof produces proven facts. This is so elementary that is makes me doubt your sincerity.

You can pick up transmissions or stray noise with an oscilloscope probe, and that's got no tuning, except the bandwidth of the scope itself. Or you could use a spectrum analyser.

Your "nano device" is the battery portion of the unit in your link. The actual transmitter is similar to a bluetooth device---big deal.

 

[fenixdigger]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

OMG-- I can't believe you posted this.

Sometimes assumptions can lead to discoveries which can then be proven, but not always. That's the nature of experimenting.


Did you happen to try the SHO-NUFF experiment I bet not.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Re: I'm going to build an LRL (seriously)

I've already provided two exhibits on how your theory is scientifically unsound and incorrect.
I would much rather you address those exhibits, than post about how I cannot keep up with the forward march of Science. Attacking me personally does not negate or contradict my exhibits. My "trembling little hand" has proven your theory bogus.

We have SWR
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,321542.0.html
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,331120.0.html