"I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare"

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"I happened to turn on the Hannity show on Fox News last Friday evening. “Average Americans are feeling the pain of Obamacare and the healthcare overhaul train wreck,” Hannity announced, “and six of them are here tonight to tell us their stories.” Three married couples were neatly arranged in his studio, the wives seated and the men standing behind them, like game show contestants.
As Hannity called on each of them, the guests recounted their “Obamacare” horror stories: canceled policies, premium hikes, restrictions on the freedom to see a doctor of their choice, financial burdens upon their small businesses and so on.
“These are the stories that the media refuses to cover,” Hannity interjected.
But none of it smelled right to me. Nothing these folks were saying jibed with the basic facts of the Affordable Care Act as I understand them. I understand them fairly well; I have worked as a senior adviser to a governor and helped him deal with the new federal rules.


I decided to hit the pavement. I tracked down Hannity’s guests, one by one, and did my own telephone interviews with them.
First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.
Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.
There is only one Obamacare requirement that applies to a company of this size: workers must be notified of the existence of the “healthcare.gov” website, the insurance exchange. That’s all.


Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.
Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $600 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to around $20,000 a year.
I asked Allison if she’d shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadn’t done so because she’d heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when it’s up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.
I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.
Allison also told me that the letter she received from Blue Cross said that in addition to the policy change for ACA compliance, in the new policy her physician network size might be reduced. That’s something insurance companies do to save money, with or without Obamacare on the horizon, just as they raise premiums with or without Obamacare coming.
If Allison’s choice of doctor was denied her through Obamacare then, yes, she could have a claim that Obamacare has hurt her. But she’d also have thousands of dollars in her pocket that she didn’t have before.


Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?
When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy that will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.
Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.
It’s true that we don’t know for sure whether certain ills conservatives have warned about will occur once Obamacare is fully enacted. For example, will we truly have the same freedom to choose a physician that we have now? Will a surplus of insured patients require a scaling back (or “rationing,” as some call it) of provided healthcare services? Will doctors be able to spend as much time with patients? These are all valid, unanswered questions. The problem is that people like Sean Hannity have decided to answer them now, without evidence. Or worse, with fake evidence.
I don’t doubt that these six individuals believe that Obamacare is a disaster; but none of them had even visited the insurance exchange. And some of them appear to have taken actions (Paul Cox, for example) based on a general pessimistic belief about Obamacare. He’s certainly entitled to do so, but Hannity is not entitled to point to Paul’s behavior as an “Obamacare train wreck story” and maintain any credibility that he might have as a journalist.
Strangely, the recent shutdown was based almost entirely on a small percentage of Congress’s belief that Obamacare, as Ted Cruz puts it, “is destroying America.” Cruz has rarely given us an example of what he’s talking about. That’s because the best he can do is what Hannity did—exploit people’s ignorance and falsely point to imaginary boogeymen.
Update: To check the plans I used this useful calculator from the Kaiser Family Foundation."
 

And you think Salon is really journalism!!! Now THAT is rich!

Salon exists for nothing more than to attack FOX or anyone else who doesn't toe the Obamallamadingdong line.

Lies are another of their tactics. You want to hear an Obamacare nightmare? Then listen:

So far I have logged OVER 20 hours on their website trying to get signed up. One of the more interesting things I learned was that my wife, according to healthcare.gov is married ... to my wife.

I have more than 7 hours trying to get signed up over the phone. Finally, in frustration, the ARC (Advanced Resolution Center) SUPERVISOR (the highest level of assistance the public can contact) told me that they were sorry but she could not complete my application because the website (yeah, THEY have to use the SAME website that doesn't work for us) would not allow her to complete my application. Yet your boy Eric would probably call her a liar since she didn't remain bowed down to president Zero.

Even better than that: My employer must drop my health insurance because of a doubling of premium on our group policy since January 1, 2013.

If you call me a liar, I won't get angry if you promise me this - when Zerocare bites you in the ass, you promise to post a picture here of your expression along with an apology for being so gullible and for posting propaganda for president Zero's groupies.
 

And you think Salon is really journalism!!! Now THAT is rich!

Salon exists for nothing more than to attack FOX or anyone else who doesn't toe the Obamallamadingdong line.

Lies are another of their tactics.

Watch out for the sources you criticize. You just might contradict yourself.

I was under the impression that posting any old thing was acceptable around here?

Don't go letting facts get in the way now.
 

Great post Ben! And if people who disagree have evidence of their own to present to readers, they should do so.
 

And I see and hear more lies coming from the right these days than from anyone else! They have done nothing BUT lie about the ACA. The misinformation presented as factual as gotten pretty silly.
 

Ben, I gave you facts from personal experience.

If you choose to ignore them, that is your business.

The facts, as I have personally experienced them, are in line with what we were warned about ... people who are not as intelligent as they claim or are given credit for, create a system too large and too complicated to ever work.

4 years is enough time to create a new programming language and thoroughly beta test it before release ... and many of the people who adopted that language could have their software already beta tested and in the hands of the public.

These "geniuses" took a simple format of known quantity already established on the internet --- so well established in fact, that they pirated software from a company in England --- and it still doesn't work because they are not as smart as they think they are.

People like this are great at developing processes that are so complicated that they cannot be executed. That is what has happened.

The kicker will be when (not if) the loopholes which allow draining off of funds by persons or organizations are exposed.

When that happens, you will be here complaining that the mean old republicans put the loop holes in ... when they weren't even allowed to read the bill before it became law.

I'm glad the republicans reject this travesty imposed on us by the man who wants to be a king and his court jesters Harry and Nancy.

The whole ball of wax will expose them for the evil people they are.

Watch the king's face at his news conferences. He is constantly giving away that he does not believe his own words ... yet you folks fall for them hook line and sinker.
 

Not trying to insult anyone, though I have to ask as I am curious; JB, PWP, UM - Are you guys teenagers?
 

here we go...facts don't agree with some, here come the insults...

Yea, not interested in going down this road again. If we don't agree with the other side they eventually imply we don't understand and thus must be mentally deficient, young, immature, think we're better than others, think we're smarter than others, have some sort of contagious disease, are sheep, etc.

Maybe I missed a few of the forthcoming insults?
 

Great post Jerseyben! It's funny that the new health care seems to be working (providing AFFORDABLE healthcare) in states that want it and not so much in states whose governors oppose it. Don't know the correlation??? Do you?
 

Great post Jerseyben! It's funny that the new health care seems to be working (providing AFFORDABLE healthcare) in states that want it and not so much in states whose governors oppose it. Don't know the correlation??? Do you?

1/2to2/3 of a Billion dollars and 3years to get the website ready? Seems like someone must be skimming money from Ocare early. "Ground floor "opportunity as it were.
 

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As long as we are fact checking let's check out Karmel Allison and her connection to o-bamacare. She is the one that was standing behind his majesty during his big speech about how things will work out. She almost passed out, probably from the strong odor of bs. Seems she works for some university that offers her a choice of about 8 health plans that all cover pre-existing conditions etc. She has not applied for the new plan and doesn't plan on it, she doesn't need it. Question is, what the heck was she doing there? Did she win some drawing at a Pelosi banquet or what? I wonder who the rest of the puppets were that were lined up behind him clapping and smiling on cue.
The same smoke and mirrors are being used to crush our rights concerning guns.
 

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