HOLY COW my oldest coin to date (1408-1424 A.D) UPDATE new pics

[imafishingnutt]

This is what I found today on a minus tide
i detected near the water on a minus tide where you cant normally detect
and this is what I found.

UPDATE I ADDED THE TWO CLOSE UPS OF THE COIN

IMA SO EXCITED



24.5mm
Obv.: Yung Lo T'ung Pao
Rev.: Nail Mark on top left
Rarity:
Ref.: Not listed

HOLY COW ,,,,,......Reign Title: Yung Lo (1408-1424 a.d.)

However, we must take into account that in Japan during the period 1587-1617
were cast coins with the same legend
Now I'm stoked

THE COIN I FOUND...


THE ONE I FOUND RESEARCHING IT ON LINE...


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[treasures4me2find]

Congrades, some great finds.

Ken

 

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[scrapdoggie]

Re: HOLY COW my oldest coin to date (1408-1424 a.d.)

Wow that must of been some minus tide to be able to detect on a chinese beach from OR

Congrats on a real old coin in good shape aswell, heres a link to price your coin, just keep scrolling down to alittle past halfway .

http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/china/china7.htm

Absolutely hilarious.....laughing my sox off....still curious where he may have bought that long ass extension for his detector tho......

 

[AlaskaAng]

Congratulations IFN! Great find! I've found a couple of these (they look similiar anyway) in NM and my Dad and I found a few in my home town of Galena Illinois 25+ yrs ago...I never thought twice about them...I need to take a second (closer) look.

Keep your finds coming...love seeing the pictures (especially since I can't detect for another couple months!)

AlaskaAng

 

[Korban]

Its good to see old finds in the Northwest. Sometimes I get a little jelous of those people back east and in Europe. Way to GO!!!

 

[lockman209]

Congrats on your find

 

[Tectorman]

Geeeese Louise,Dangnabbit,Doggonnittt,Holy moly,That is aSUPER cool find,CONGRAT's and I think I heard someone say BANNER even.Thanks for sharing.

 

[kuger]

This has been some post!!I appreciate all the information that has transpired.I hunt predominately Calif. Gold Rush sites and Chinese coins commonly arise.I am extremely intrigued by them.I found an Opium Tin with thirteen of them inside a while back.They are hard to identify due to the fact there are many variations.Alot of people that find them out here dont think too much of them and just throw them in a jar kind of a novelty,but they all have a story to tell.They all traveled the seas to arrive here with the thousands and thousands of Chinese people that came in search of gold.I have found they were often used as tokens in the game PhanThan by the Chinese.None the less cool find.....how ever it got there!!

 

[imafishingnutt]

Thank you

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

GUESS WHAT I FOUND ONLINE? -a brass cash coin with the same smooth back and large center hole. I found it accidentally looking to ID another. http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=56113 I havent compared markings yet. Could it finally be a match? Or am I jumping too fast, just when some of us were about to rewrite history? Could this mean that the Chinese did NOT discover America?

They have it as a Chinese Shan Lung commemorative. Date?

 

[Montana Jim]

This Shan Lung Commemerative is listed by Zeno as 1736-1795. Still a very old and unusual Chinese cash coin.

Looks like the one cy - closest yet anyway.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

This Shan Lung Commemorative is listed by Zeno as 1736-1795. Still a very old and unusual Chinese cash coin.

Looks like the one cy - closest yet anyway.

What, no bells and whistles? It looks identical. I was never satisfied with the prior ID. It did not match. I stumbled across it by accident. We were completely wrong, it appears to be a commemorative of the older coin. I wish we knew more. It would be nice to try to clean off the corrosion on the bottom characters and we would be 99.9% sure.

 

[Montana Jim]

This Shan Lung Commemorative is listed by Zeno as 1736-1795. Still a very old and unusual Chinese cash coin.

Looks like the one cy - closest yet anyway.

What, no bells and whistles? It looks identical.

LMAO...

I only have fireworks...

I think you are dead on.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

UPDATE from the Zeno database. 27-March-08 8:03pm


Must be the wrong scan. This is not a Shan Lung commemorative, which would be a Ch'ing Dynasty Ch'ien Lung coin. This is a machine struck copy of the Ming dynasty Yung Lo coin. Might have been made as a souvenir for some temple or tourist site, or it might have been made for use in jewelry or for mounting on something as a decoration. Might be from Japan, where this coin was called the Eiraku Tsuho.
27-March-08 8:03pm

Keywords: Machine struck copy of Ming dynasty Yung Lo
Weight, g: 3.15
Size, mm: 23.9
Metal: brass


It appears to be a Yung Lo afterall, but not an original. Now they have it IDed as a machine struck souvenir COPY or jewelry piece. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and I cannot say with 100% certainty. Im sure Fishingnut will appreciate the research. I never thought it had enough corrosion or patina for an early 15th century coin in water or at the waters edge.
Im sure this post will not be deleted. This is what makes TN so great. We have experienced researchers that never give up and expect the correct answers. An interesting find, nonetheless.

http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=56113

 

[allen]

way to go on a possible 600 year old coin...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It is not 600 years old. It has been identified as a modern machine struck COPY.

I PMed Fishingnut to tell him the news, but he hasnt read it yet apparently.

 

[midnightmoon]

I want one.

 

[renob151]

Hey Ima Great find at any rate!!! I like the reasearch and will save it in case I need it some day.

HH
Chris

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

There have been times that we all have experienced this, we get excited finding that PineTree Schilling or Spanish Cob on the beach, only to find out later that it is a modern replica or copy. In this case, the research should have been done first. Some here jumped to conclusions and even hinted at rewriting history. It should never have gone this far. Even if old and genuine, it would be a common Chinese cash coin. But this look alike coin is a modern copy or jewelry piece. It however is a nice story and interesting find. Now try to find out where it came from. Maybe from one of the many Chinese restaurants in the Depoe Bay, Oregan area. Anyone interested could write to the Zeno website.

 

[imafishingnutt]

There have been times that we all have experienced this, we get excited finding that PineTree Schilling or Spanish Cob on the beach, only to find out later that it is a modern replica or copy. In this case, the research should have been done first. Some here jumped to conclusions and even hinted at rewriting history. It should never have gone this far. Even if old and genuine, it would be a common Chinese cash coin. But this look alike coin is a modern copy or jewelry piece. It however is a nice story and interesting find. Now try to find out where it came from. Maybe from one of the many Chinese restaurants in the Depoe Bay, Oregan area. Anyone interested could write to the Zeno website.

Although its the closest yet.
where is the nail mark
if you research the coin you will see the older ones had nail marks AS DOES MINE.......
Why are you so quck to knock my find off the banner.
And as far as embarassed I AM NOT
I appreciate the research but when you have a date and more details LIKE THE NAIL MARK
maby ill ask them to remove it from the banner.
untill then as far as I am concerned its an old coin.
Ima

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

There have been times that we all have experienced this, we get excited finding that PineTree Schilling or Spanish Cob on the beach, only to find out later that it is a modern replica or copy. In this case, the research should have been done first. Some here jumped to conclusions and even hinted at rewriting history. It should never have gone this far. Even if old and genuine, it would be a common Chinese cash coin. But this look alike coin is a modern copy or jewelry piece. It however is a nice story and interesting find. Now try to find out where it came from. Maybe from one of the many Chinese restaurants in the Depoe Bay, Oregan area. Anyone interested could write to the Zeno website.

You sent me a message saying you IDed it ..
I see nothing but a bunch of talk.
show me the proof.
this is not a recent coin.
and when you find one the same make sure it also has thew nail mark as mine does and looks the smae on the symbals shape of square hole
wheres the proof.
if you goinf to shoot somebodies find down at least show the proof.
Thanks Ima

This is nothing personal, Ima, and I was hoping you would not react this way. I am not trying to shoot down anyones find. I understand it is a big let down. Take some time and study it. It is identical in every way. The only thing different would be a nail mark/hole. I knew it was modern by the lack of corrosion, but until now, could not find an exact match. I stumbled across the Zeno database pic completely by accident when trying to ID another Japanese coin.

You may also write to the Zeno database.