Help with bullet

[bottlecap]

Assuming the lead shot I found is modern, a 9mm maybe?? The shell is a mystery to me, I am assuming it's not terribly old but if someone knows what it is let me know!! Dime is for size reference. Thanks guys!

 

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[mirage83]

That is a really strange looking casing. I'm going to presume it's something specialized (flare cartridge or something equally weird), but beyond that guess I have no idea.

 

[bottlecap]

I was guessing maybe it was a blank??

 

[mirage83]

Really, heck if I know. Never seen a casing that significantly rebated. Gotta be something really unusual. I know a fair amount about cartridges, but it's going to take someone with more extensive knowledge than me to figure this one out. Part of the problem is that I can't reason out the purpose of the sidewall being recessed like that, what the benefit might have been. Has to be something off the wall, perhaps a blank but why the strange cartridge dimensions? Great find, but weird.

 

[BosnMate]

Beats me, never seen anything like that. Can you make out a head stamp? I can see something, but the photo is fuzzy, and I can't make it out. You might have to remove some of
that crust to see it all.

 

[mirage83]

Beats me, never seen anything like that. Can you make out a head stamp? I can see something, but the photo is fuzzy, and I can't make it out. You might have to remove some of
that crust to see it all.

Did you notice how light the firing pin strike was on the primer? Lighter than most modern and quality firearms would leave. And you're right, a good macro photograph of the cartridge might help if some of the gunk can be cleaned off.

 

[bottlecap]

Hey you guys are willing to help I am willing to attempt a better picture! I actually found two of them about 2 feet apart but try as I may I couldn't make out any lettering on the top. I did notice where the firing pin struck was very light. Found them behind the maintenance building at an old park, they were about 6 inches deep. I also noticed they almost look like a steel casing, not brass, I don't know if such a thing exists but the little part on the outside of the casing I was able to clean a little bit was a silvery steel type color. Tomorrow morning I will try to clean it better and take a better photo. I like figuring these things out because it may help date the area I am detecting. Like I said I am not convinced it's old, but it is definitely odd.

 

[trdking]

Hey you guys are willing to help I am willing to attempt a better picture! I actually found two of them about 2 feet apart but try as I may I couldn't make out any lettering on the top. I did notice where the firing pin struck was very light. Found them behind the maintenance building at an old park, they were about 6 inches deep. I also noticed they almost look like a steel casing, not brass, I don't know if such a thing exists but the little part on the outside of the casing I was able to clean a little bit was a silvery steel type color. Tomorrow morning I will try to clean it better and take a better photo. I like figuring these things out because it may help date the area I am detecting. Like I said I am not convinced it's old, but it is definitely odd.

I really hope you can get some info off of the head stamp after cleaning. I can't find a picture of this cartridge anywhere on my reference sites. At this time the only thing I can think of is that it may be part of a belt fed system. I have never seen it or anything like it before and I have loved guns for over 40 years.

Cheers

 

[l.cutler]

They are starter pistol blank cartridge casings. Blanks 8mm - Blanks - Ammunition - Firearms & Shotguns - Allcocks Outdoor Store

 

[mirage83]

They are starter pistol blank cartridge casings. Blanks 8mm - Blanks - Ammunition - Firearms & Shotguns - Allcocks Outdoor Store

I'd looked up and found several different models and calibers of blanks (and plastic-ball rounds as well) like the ones in your link, but couldn't match any of them to the strange dimensions of the one Bottlecap found.

 

[trdking]

I'd looked up and found several different models and calibers of blanks (and plastic-ball rounds as well) like the ones in your link, but couldn't match any of them to the strange dimensions of the one Bottlecap found.

Me Either These are definitely strange and rare.

 

[bottlecap]

Couple more pics for you. Cleaned it up a little, definitely no writing of any kind on it. Picture was as close as I could get without getting out of focus. Put a .223 next to it for size reference.

 

[mirage83]

Aluminum casing, brass primer, recessed shelf inside to limit ammo seating depth or to hold a non-standard round, smaller I.D. to limit the amount of powder in a fairly wide cartridge casing, and no headstamp of any kind. This thing is odd. I'll ask around and see if any of my people have seen something like it before, cause all I have for you are guesses.

 

[l.cutler]

It never held a projectile,you can see the rolled in lip of the front of the casing that held the cardboard disk that kept the powder charge in place.

 

[trdking]

It never held a projectile,you can see the rolled in lip of the front of the casing that held the cardboard disk that kept the powder charge in place.[/QUOTE I totally agree But I don't understand the neck at all. I'm wondering if this may be a cartridge that construction uses for pin nail guns for shooting pins into concrete? You said you found it very near a building. Is the building fairly new?

 

[trdking]

They use odd cartridges to keep people from loading bullets into them

 

[bottlecap]

It never held a projectile,you can see the rolled in lip of the front of the casing that held the cardboard disk that kept the powder charge in place.[/QUOTE I totally agree But I don't understand the neck at all. I'm wondering if this may be a cartridge that construction uses for pin nail guns for shooting pins into concrete? You said you found it very near a building. Is the building fairly new?

No it certainly doesn't look new but I can try and see if I can find a build year on it.

 

[NOLA_Ken]

I've never seen or heard of a stud nailer using anything like that, they fire either .22 or .27 cal blanks. This has got to be one of the oddest I've seen. I have a couple thoughts though.... of to research a bit

 

[NOLA_Ken]

I've been thinking they might be lifting charges from mortar rounds, a lot of them used what is basically a blank shotshell. But I haven't found a match anywhere yet. Can you get some good accurate measurements? Preferably in 100ths of an inch.

 

[bottlecap]

Yes I will get some measurements.