Help Me Understand Why Yall Think The Government Is Wanting To Do TO Yall???

[pat-tekker-cat]

One of the deepest fears, imho, that most Americans have in regards to our government run amuck (taking guns, establishing useless laws, tyranny, corperate greed, etc....) is that they are being bred and set up, to become a commodity.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

One of the deepest fears, imho, that most Americans have in regards to our government run amuck (taking guns, establishing useless laws, tyranny, corperate greed, etc....) is that they are being bred and set up, to become a commodity.

By who...?

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

By who...?

Who ever the "powers that be, might be.
This is just a speculative attempt to give backbacon an answer to a question.

I wouldn't think you to ask a question Rebel, that you don't already know the answer to.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Who ever the "powers that be, might be.
This is just a speculative attempt to give backbacon an answer to a question.

I wouldn't think you to ask a question Rebel, that you don't already know the answer to.

LOL! I'll just wait for you BOTH to answer, then; MAY have to get JESSE in on this...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel,

Here you go.

CARRY ON. "Man, with a GUN... over there."

 

[jerseyben]

First, have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge or Waco. What the government did to those people was over guns and government lies. Those people hadn't done anything wrong until the ATF showed up. Have you heard about the gun running to Mexico. We still aren't at the bottom of that, it is being covered up with lies and distortions. All the while they were sending guns to Mexico, they were blaming guns stores saying the stores were selling to criminals, and there needed to be more controls and restrictions on the American stores and gun shows, and all the while the government was the crooks. Secondly, I don't want to live under the same laws that you have in Canada, I don't like your laws, and haven't ever visited Canada because of them. And Backbacon, I have a question for you. You live in Canada, why do you say y'all. You trying to be cute, or are you using it in a degrading way, talking down to us Yanks. You smugly think you are smarter than the people that say y'all, but you have never lived with true freedom, and I have, and my government is taking it away from me a bit at a time, and we are becoming more and more like Canada, and England and Sweden, and there are a lot of us, (and all y'all know who I'm talking about) don't like it. I really don't care what you think or say, you don't live here, render your allegiance to a foreign monarch, I'll live in a republic and do my best to keep it from becoming like Canada or England or Sweden.

Which laws in particular do you have a problem with?
You really swore off an entire country just because of their laws?

After reading that, I have to ask: Are you sure you want to be a member of Crispin's Critters?

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

LOL! I'll just wait for you BOTH to answer, then; MAY have to get JESSE in on this...

It didn't seem backstrap was that serious, just fishing for speculations.
I would think ones that worry about these sorts of things, that would be their deepest fear (maybe I didn't word my original response just right), "Americans that worry or fear these sorts of things"
If in being a commodity one is not an asset, then they are a liability.
History repeating itself and stuffs. Yeah, Jesse I'm sure, could answer better than me.

 

[0121stockpicker]

First, have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge or Waco. What the government did to those people was over guns and government lies. Those people hadn't done anything wrong until the ATF showed up. Have you heard about the gun running to Mexico. We still aren't at the bottom of that, it is being covered up with lies and distortions. All the while they were sending guns to Mexico, they were blaming guns stores saying the stores were selling to criminals, and there needed to be more controls and restrictions on the American stores and gun shows, and all the while the government was the crooks. Secondly, I don't want to live under the same laws that you have in Canada, I don't like your laws, and haven't ever visited Canada because of them. And Backbacon, I have a question for you. You live in Canada, why do you say y'all. You trying to be cute, or are you using it in a degrading way, talking down to us Yanks. You smugly think you are smarter than the people that say y'all, but you have never lived with true freedom, and I have, and my government is taking it away from me a bit at a time, and we are becoming more and more like Canada, and England and Sweden, and there are a lot of us, (and all y'all know who I'm talking about) don't like it. I really don't care what you think or say, you don't live here, render your allegiance to a foreign monarch, I'll live in a republic and do my best to keep it from becoming like Canada or England or Sweden.

You don't think David koresh was doing anything wrong?? You might want to study his cult a little bit closer.

 

[0121stockpicker]

If a doomsday cult with lots of women and children are stockpiling weapons do I want the government to intervene - yes. Do I believe the they handled the situation correctly - absolutely not. And I agree with you on RR.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Obama still has not come clean on the "fast and furious' scandal, supplying guns to Mexican drug cartels that were then used to kill Mexican citizens.

He keeps sweeping scandals under the carpet and no one in his party or main stream media is even calling him on It...This is what worries us, media is who is suppose to lead in holding the government no matter what party is in office accountable and they are doing nothing.

Ok to ship guns they want to ban to mexican drug cartels but Americans can't have same even though we have states that border Mexico and could be used on American citizens.

Now Mexico has asked obama for a list of all gun owners in states that border Mexico.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Obama still has not come clean on the "fast and furious' scandal, supplying guns to Mexican drug cartels that were then used to kill Mexican citizens.

He keeps sweeping scandals under the carpet and no one in his party or main stream media is even calling him on It...This is what worries us, media is who is suppose to lead in holding the government no matter what party is in office accountable and they are doing nothing.

Ok to ship guns they want to ban to mexican drug cartels but Americans can't have same even though we have states that border Mexico and could be used on American citizens.

Now Mexico has asked obama for a list of all gun owners in states that border Mexico.

Don't you think that Fox News (and i watch every day) would absolutely love nothing better than to break a massive Obama / democratic scandals? Don't you think they spend millions and millions and millions to look under every single stone?

Or are they also part of the media conspiracy?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Google search for "Fox News Fast and Furious 2013" ...

Attorney General Eric Holder Begs Court To Not Release Fast And Furious Documents..​

Attorney General Eric Holder and his Department of Justice have asked a federal court to indefinitely delay a lawsuit brought by watchdog group Judicial Watch. The lawsuit seeks the enforcement of open records requests relating to Operation Fast and Furious, as required by law.Judicial Watch had filed, on June 22, 2012, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request seeking all documents relating to Operation Fast and Furious and "specifically [a]ll records subject to the claim of executive privilege invoked by President Barack Obama on or about June 20, 2012."

The administration has refused to comply with Judicial Watch’s FOIA request, and in mid-September the group filed a lawsuit challenging Holder’s denial. That lawsuit remains ongoing but within the past week President Barack Obama’s administration filed what’s called a "motion to stay" the suit. Such a motion is something that if granted would delay the lawsuit indefinitely.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said that Holder’s and Obama’s desire to continually hide these Fast and Furious documents is "ironic" now that they’re so gung-ho on gun control. "It is beyond ironic that the Obama administration has initiated an anti-gun violence push as it seeking to keep secret key documents about its very own Fast and Furious gun walking scandal," Fitton said in a statement. "Getting beyond the Obama administration’s smokescreen, this lawsuit is about a very simple principle: the public’s right to know the full truth about an egregious political scandal that led to the death of at least one American and countless others in Mexico. The American people are sick and tired of the Obama administration trying to rewrite FOIA law to protect this president and his appointees. Americans want answers about Fast and Furious killings and lies."

The only justification Holder uses to ask the court to indefinitely delay Judicial Watch’s suit is that there’s another lawsuit ongoing for the same documents – one filed by the U.S. House of Representatives. Judicial Watch has filed a brief opposing the DOJ’s motion to stay.

As the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform was voting Holder into contempt of Congress for his refusal to cooperate with congressional investigators by failing to turn over tens of thousands of pages of Fast and Furious documents, Obama asserted the executive privilege over them. The full House of Representatives soon after voted on a bipartisan basis to hold Holder in contempt.

There were two parts of the contempt resolution. Holder was, and still is, in both civil and still is, in both civil and criminal contempt of Congress. The criminal resolution was forwarded to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Ronald Machen–who works for Holder–for prosecution. Despite being technically required by law to bring forth criminal charges against Holder, under orders from Holder’s Department of Justice Machen chose to ignore the resolution.

The second part of the contempt resolution–civil contempt of Congress–allowed House Republicans to hire legal staff to challenge President Obama’s assertion of the executive privilege. That lawsuit remains ongoing despite Holder’s and the DOJ’s attempt to dismiss it and settle it.

It’s unclear what’s in the documents Obama asserted privilege over, but the president’s use of the extraordinary power appears weak. There are two types of presidential executive privilege: the presidential communications privilege and the deliberative process privilege. Use of the presidential communications privilege would require that the president himself or his senior-most advisers were involved in the discussions.

Since the president and his cabinet-level officials continually claim they had no knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious until early 2011 when the information became public–and Holder claims he didn’t read the briefing documents he was sent that outlined the scandal and how guns were walking while the operation was ongoing–Obama says he’s using the less powerful deliberative process privilege.

The reason why Obama’s assertion of that deliberative process privilege over these documents is weak at best is because the Supreme Court has held that such a privilege assertion is invalidated by even the suspicion of government wrongdoing. Obama, Holder, the Department of Justice, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and virtually everyone else involved in this scandal have admitted that government wrongdoing actually took place in Operation Fast and Furious.

In Fast and Furious, the ATF "walked" about 2,000 firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels. That means through straw purchasers they allowed sales to happen and didn’t stop the guns from being trafficked even though they had the legal authority to do so and were fully capable of doing so.

Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens–estimates put it around at least 300–were killed with these firearms.

The Fast and Furious scandal and more is covered in detail in the New York Times best-selling book Corruption Chronicles.​

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents​

 

[jerseyben]

I think you forgot to mention something about Benghazi or Obamacare... "The Fox News Trifecta".

 

[Dano Sverige]

Obama still has not come clean on the "fast and furious' scandal, supplying guns to Mexican drug cartels that were then used to kill Mexican citizens.

He keeps sweeping scandals under the carpet and no one in his party or main stream media is even calling him on It...This is what worries us, media is who is suppose to lead in holding the government no matter what party is in office accountable and they are doing nothing.

Ok to ship guns they want to ban to mexican drug cartels but Americans can't have same even though we have states that border Mexico and could be used on American citizens.

Now Mexico has asked obama for a list of all gun owners in states that border Mexico.

Don't see what the problem is? Political gun running is an American specialty isn't it? Can't see why you're so against it when you have one of the leading experts on "selling arms to people who may later use them on Americans" on the board of your much vaunted NRA. Stand up Lt Col. Oliver North!

Hmmm.

 

[Backbacon]

First, have you ever heard of Ruby Ridge or Waco. What the government did to those people was over guns and government lies. Those people hadn't done anything wrong until the ATF showed up. Have you heard about the gun running to Mexico. We still aren't at the bottom of that, it is being covered up with lies and distortions. All the while they were sending guns to Mexico, they were blaming guns stores saying the stores were selling to criminals, and there needed to be more controls and restrictions on the American stores and gun shows, and all the while the government was the crooks. Secondly, I don't want to live under the same laws that you have in Canada, I don't like your laws, and haven't ever visited Canada because of them. And Backbacon, I have a question for you. You live in Canada, why do you say y'all. You trying to be cute, or are you using it in a degrading way, talking down to us Yanks. You smugly think you are smarter than the people that say y'all, but you have never lived with true freedom, and I have, and my government is taking it away from me a bit at a time, and we are becoming more and more like Canada, and England and Sweden, and there are a lot of us, (and all y'all know who I'm talking about) don't like it. I really don't care what you think or say, you don't live here, render your allegiance to a foreign monarch, I'll live in a republic and do my best to keep it from becoming like Canada or England or Sweden.

Well sir.... Stocky addressed the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents and relayed pretty much the same feelings that I share on the subjects. I wasn't aware that the freedom of religious cults involving children was something some US citizens cherished. I used to live in Mexico and I can truly say that the place has gone to hell since I've been there. As far as guns being ran between the borders, I wouldn't put it past some corrupt government officials. Look at the choppers that were shot down in Afghanistan by shoulder fired missiles by the Taliban. The CIA armed (still has the receipt from the Stinger Missiles) and trained the Taliban (including Bin Laden) in order to fight the former USSR's presence in their country. I am a dual citizen of the US and Canada, so don't think for one minute I am anti US. If you want to stay safe in the "land of the free" that is up to you. You haven't visited Canada because of our laws up here? I can honestly convey to you that I have been living "truly free" my whole life. Having lived in Canada, Mexico and the United States, I can honestly say that I do prefer living here in Canada instead (safer to raise my daughter up here) of the US or Mexico. Maybe you should take the time to read some of the laws for up here then you won't be as disinclined to visit the Great White North. The whole "y'all" thing was said in relation to some of the tribulations that most of the bigots on this site have in regards to the English language and proper grammar. If you were offended by my words, then I am truly sorry. Please don't bash Canada, England, or Sweden in anger or due to lack of knowledge of the countries laws and history. I hope this clears things up between us and I would be happy to have you up here to do some world class fishing and hunting in order show you the true beauty and freedom we all are afforded up here. Sure you can't bring your hang guns and military style weapons across the border, but perhaps it would be a good educational experience to observe a society that does not feel the need for them. Also please leave the Queen and your implications of my so called allegiance out of it. Have a nice day EH?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It didn't seem backstrap was that serious, just fishing for speculations.
I would think ones that worry about these sorts of things, that would be their deepest fear (maybe I didn't word my original response just right), "Americans that worry or fear these sorts of things"
If in being a commodity one is not an asset, then they are a liability.
History repeating itself and stuffs. Yeah, Jesse I'm sure, could answer better than me.

Dunno; sounds like Existential ANGST to me...

 

[Backbacon]

I could have sworn that I posted this earlier. Must have been a computer glitch of sorts EH? Back to my question, why are some people worried about the ATF raiding their houses in regards to proposed regulations that are in the interest of public safety? Does anyone think this cartoon from Michael Moore's film "Bowling For Columbine" at all relates to the fear driven gun and ammo sales in the US? If this is going to be deleted again by the Mods can they at least post a reason why they did so please? I feel it is a valid question and we wouldn't want to have any double standards on this forum? I am looking for feedback on this particular cartoon as well as an answer to my question.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

CARRY ON. "Man, with a GUN... over there."

Telling me (us), "I/we've got to beware.." SING ON NOW!.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel,

Here you go.

YEP!

 

[Dave44]

I could have sworn that I posted this earlier. Must have been a computer glitch of sorts EH? Back to my question, why are some people worried about the ATF raiding their houses in regards to proposed regulations that are in the interest of public safety? Does anyone think this cartoon from Michael Moore's film "Bowling For Columbine" at all relates to the fear driven gun and ammo sales in the US? If this is going to be deleted again by the Mods can they at least post a reason why they did so please? I feel it is a valid question and we wouldn't want to have any double standards on this forum? I am looking for feedback on this particular cartoon as well as an answer to my question.

This whole argument That gun control fanatic use bores me, really. Why do you use the ATF breaking in and taking your guns argument, Why do you care what OUR Constitution allows? How did you get out of Mexico alive, You were not allowed guns, only the outlaws were. Why are you asking about some nut jobs cartoon like it has any rational thought?

And why, after telling us that the police and government would be the ones to protect us from bad guys released a bunch of dangerous illegals under the lie that sequestration made them do it? Early? On the same day they are talking about weapons bans? Separately from the cuts? Even though congress had allocated money already to Keep them?

And why do you try to put on airs of reasonability when you are not?