Have No Idea What This Goes To

[Bubba65]

Hi All,

As the title says I don't have a clue. I dug this yesterday and after cleaning it up some, it is to something the way all the markings are. The bird is pretty cool on it. With this elaborate of markings it is part of something. It is probably something easy and I can't think of it. Anyways thanks for looking and helping if you can.

Bubba65

 

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[Breezie]

It looks like a flattened napkin ring with a Japanese theme. Interesting find Breezie

 

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[bigfoot1]

all good bch...you are right...perhaps you would be so kind as to do the same....you know...the bracelet thing you purported...I am waiting to see your photo evidense.Look back at soooo many other threads where you demand I prove things I claim are guesses.If you wish I will post a thread in support of the amazing scrutiny you have direted towards me..

I BELIEVE IT IS BIRD CAGE RELATED>IN FACT I BELIEVE THERE IS A DEPICTION OF A BIRD CAGE ON IT.clear enuf?leave me alone or I will post the personel vendetta you seem to have for me.with examples you can clearly see.ya wanna go there?

 

[bigfoot1]

sorry all for cluttering up this thread with the many hours of my time I put into it

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It looks like a flattened napkin ring with a Japanese theme. Interesting find Breezie

I notice one edge is rounded, maybe both. Could a napkin ring be made this way into a ring and brazed together?

Im just asking because I dont really know.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I BELIEVE IT IS BIRD CAGE RELATED>IN FACT I BELIEVE THERE IS A DEPICTION OF A BIRD CAGE ON IT.clear enuf?leave me alone or I will post the personel vendetta you seem to have for me.with examples you can clearly see.ya wanna go there?

My "cut the crap" comment was directed at your denial that you claimed it was bird cage related. My larger pic comments are just trying to be helpful. You realize threats and personal vendettas are against TN rules.

You may be correct bigfoot. I dunno. Its unsolved at this point.

 

[bigfoot1]

all good bch...lets move foreward

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

...perhaps you would be so kind as to do the same....you know...the bracelet thing you purported...I am waiting to see your photo evidense.?

That was my best pic and I see no reason to post 10 bracelet pics unless I find a better match. At least its rounded on one end lol.

OK lets move on and Im sorry for gettin involved.. I think Breezie may have it. It may help to search napkin rings with a Japanese motiff.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Are napkin rings that thin?

 

[Breezie]

Are napkin rings that thin?

Yeppers. I have a set of antique sterling ones, and I'll post a pic.

Breezie

 

[Breezie]

BCH, This is not the set I was talking about in the above post, but it's the first ones I could get my hands on without waking up the household. These are very thin, and the one the Bubba found is thicker. My sterling set is thicker than the ones I posted.

As far as it being a bird cage hanger, I have seen similar ones like BigFoot is talking about. Bird cages were extremely popular during the Victorian era. Without seeing the item in person, and judging by the photos, it's hard to say.

Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

A bird cage hanger or closure? I really wasnt denying a possible bird cage connection I was just trying to ask Bigfoot to post a better pic that I could actually see or please circle or point to what he was referring to. I searched all 10 of his pics, squinting and enlarging but couldnt see anything with a rounded edge. It just kinda got to me I guess.

Thanks for the great napkin ring pic. Im convinced. The only problem is the brazing marks but I think they are just water marks because they are on the good side.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I will....you do the same....and I will not demand you PROVE any theorys you may have

In the future bigfoot, if you cant find a pic supporting your theory, simply state that you cant find a pic. I will not demand something you cannot do. Also pointing to a place on the picture would have also helped. Learn to use Paint, Irfanview or something similar Thanks and I certainly have no vendetta just trying to help you..

 

[bigfoot1]

I do not find it necessary to post a difinative pic for what I state is a guess,any more than you do.please re-read my posts...every one,as I will re-read yours.as you just claimed you believe that the marks are water marks...I will not request pics of similarly perfectly spaced and sized water marks.I assume you mean it is a simple deduction and as such does not require difinative proof to surmise.If you are unable to post supporting evidense....its ok with me.I dont feel you are required.

level playing field is all I require,and it hasnt felt too level.I have gone back and found supporting pics on many threads upon your requests...perhaps look at those too,I have.Some of them are just silly.
I will always,and have,try to support my deductive reasonings with photos or other links.I have ALWAYS stated my guesses as just that...guesses.I will hold you to whatever standards you choose to continue to single me out for.

At the point where I feel I am doing more harm than good for this wonderful forum,I will simply leave.Untill such time please back off me.much appreciated.

pat

 

[yaxthri]

Well this little find has sparked a very "loud" and complex discussion in here, great to see so much passion put into solving unidentified items!
Hope no one gets out of this "bruised" in any way...
Nevertheless still unsolved...

The marks on this thing still puzzle me... a lot.


By the way, Breezie I love your "hanger" theory :-)

 

[yaxthri]

Hi All,

Well when I got home today, I was able to open up it up. I took pics of what it looks like now front and back hope this helps some. I posted all the pics I took in case someone spots something in one of the pics. Again thanks for all the help. Oh it was also fairly easy to bend open just so you all know.

Bubba65

Nice work Bubba! The strange marks now are very clear.... but what are they?

 

[artemis moon]

We may never get an exact ID on this item, as beautiful and interesting as it is. There are so many things it could be, or be a part of. A Victorian birdcage seems very reasonable, as does a napkin ring, or maybe a part of a Victorian era lamp or a piece of trim on an Asian inspired piece of furniture. This motif seems like it was fairly common in the later part of the 19th century. This may be one of those items that keeps us up at night wondering.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I do not find it necessary to post a difinative pic for what I state is a guess,any more than you do.please re-read my posts...every one,as I will re-read yours.as you just claimed you believe that the marks are water marks...I will not request pics of similarly perfectly spaced and sized water marks.I assume you mean it is a simple deduction and as such does not require difinative proof to surmise.If you are unable to post supporting evidense....its ok with me.I dont feel you are required.

level playing field is all I require,and it hasnt felt too level.I have gone back and found supporting pics on many threads upon your requests...perhaps look at those too,I have.Some of them are just silly.
I will always,and have,try to support my deductive reasonings with photos or other links.I have ALWAYS stated my guesses as just that...guesses.I will hold you to whatever standards you choose to continue to single me out for.

At the point where I feel I am doing more harm than good for this wonderful forum,I will simply leave.Untill such time please back off me.much appreciated.

pat

Bigfoot dont you remember asking me to enlarge your photos? Well I did. All 10 of them. And it took me a lot of time. And I still dont know what you were referring to. Closure? name tag? food and water hoops? hanger? ?


I understand you were just guessing but when you post the same image 2x asking me to enlarge it... cmon! I am just requesting from you to post larger images and learn to use Paint so you could circle the "closure/name tag/food/water hoop" item you are trying to describe for slow members like myself.

Bigfoot you can ask me anytime for a supporting pic and maybe I will post about 10 tiny low pixel pics with no supporting links asking you to enlarge them.


ADDED: And then I will deny it all.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

.as you just claimed you believe that the marks are water marks...I will not request pics of similarly perfectly spaced and sized water marks.I assume you mean it is a simple deduction and as such does not require difinative proof to surmise.If you are unable to post supporting evidense....its ok with me.I dont feel you are required.

I am unable to post supporting photo evidence at this time. Good observation that they are evenly spaced but they are also on the face side which is unusual. I requested that they be cleaned because I would expect a braze would leave behind some solder or metal material. At this point we dont know what the spots are and I could certainly be wrong.

I reread everything and I agree with your research that yes ithere is a small bamboo cage but I disagree that its from a birdcage just because it has a birdcage and bird on it. I cannot understand the logic because it also has Mount Fuji and a Torii gate. Do you see where Im coming from?



If you cant find a photo supporting your guess, bigfoot, its OK with me too. I have searched many birdcages myself following your lead but I cannot find a pic either. I looked at birdcage hangers, closures, name tags and I concentrated on food and water hoops per your exact instructions. I cant find a similar piece with a rounded edge. So it appears to be a dead end so far but you can keep looking. Im done looking at birdcages and I will be looking forward to other members comments and opinions.

 

[bigfoot1]

I have exhausted my search on birdcages too,I am focusing in other areas..I look forward to others ideas as to directions and images....I also look forward to knowing for sure if it was brazed upon its face as that would narrow it down.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have exhausted my search on birdcages too,I am focusing in other areas..I look forward to others ideas as to directions and images....I also look forward to knowing for sure if it was brazed upon its face as that would narrow it down.

I searched napkin rings but cant find an exact match but that can happen. At least a napkin ring is the right shape.


I have no vendetta against you bigfoot. And I realize you can be an asset and make the forum fun. I guess it supposed to be fun and Im being a grinch. But I want you to know that If Matt had posted 10 tiny lo pixel pics of a hand fan and told me to enlarge it and continued on an on that he believed it was a hand fan, I would have given him the same treatment. I really try to treat everybody equal. You are equal here just like everybody else and I apologize if you felt I was singling you out...

Maybe others are afraid to post lol. I hope not.