has anyone seen pottery with disigns on the interior?

[GatorBoy]

Found a couple recently. This is both sides.

 

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[GatorBoy]

Now this is teamwork! Thank you for the link and I also happen to have a couple round bases.(they sat in the coals better that way) The tribe in my area was the Ais. Reading that was like a description of almost every tribe along the Indian river lagoon at that time.Interestingly the Ais never made the transfer to agriculture and are now extinct as a people. I must say that was trying ...to have people who know less about my area posting negitive remarks in such a matter of fact way. I have plenty a patients for learning and teamwork..just very little for swollen heads.

 

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[GatorBoy]

I will try to put together some good examples of the fiber tempered pottery later. You can still see impressions of the Spanish moss in some of them.

 

[Tnmountains]

It would be interesting to see . Just post one pic. Then we will drop the hijack. ;-)

Ok last hi jack Gator. This is a fake pot made the authentic way for my area. I have a lot of these and pics of us firing them. I have only dug 2 whole real pots. I might have a couple brokes in buckets to be put back together. Anyways I made this and it is a reproduction of my area. You can see it is the same clay and temper of the real one I posted.

 

[GatorBoy]

Well worth the hijack. That came out good. Thanks for the view.

 

[Martingeetars]

Here is an example of a pattern disc that they could use to transfer design, wet , press rinse repeat, this ones from tick island

 

[GatorBoy]

Thanks for the post. That's an interesting piece. I have a piece of swiftcreek that resembles that.

 

[Harry Pristis]

That link pretty much deals with western techniques using the slab method none mention a southern culture. I will look for some archie reports on this style. I just want to know about it. I have seen lots from the south and some as big as drums with conical bases. Just trying to learn.

Ok found it Archaic Period Great read. This was their hall mark using spanish moss making very heavy pots that could not be moved thus transitioning from Nomadic to Farming and food storage. Why you are on a good site. Thanks for your patience in learning the slab style now about those inside patterns.... haha

Here's what I can tell you about the cultures that produced pottery in Florida:

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The Orange Culture is considered Late Archaic. It is the culture that produced the first pottery (fiber tempered) in Florida. The Circum-Glades Culture (or "Glades Culture") area, where Gboy collected his sherds, was not inhabited early enough to have Orange Culture artifacts. The potsherds from that area are "transitional" in age (see the table above).

This is interesting, but I agree that this is beside the point of the thread. The answer to the original question is No, any marks on the inside of a pot (in Florida, anyway) are incidental tooling marks. The tool may have been carved wood, a naturally-occurring object (e.g. a sea shell), or it may have been fingertips.

 

[GatorBoy]

Not inhabited early enough!! Please stop giving false information to these folks!!!!!!! Your flat wrong. Your input has become a much bigger liability than an asset! !! Harry I have older points than that from that site. You just can't walk away can you. I have fiber tempered pottery from the same site. Please show anyone one single photo that proves you have ever had a single Florida artifact straight out of the ground in your hand. Until you can do that I'm sorry but your responses are only as good as someone else's reports and are often as outdated. You didn't even know anything about the fact that pottery vessels were ever made in any other way than coil until I showed you in this thread. Yet you somehow believe we should listen to your wealth of knowlage now..give us a break.

 

[GatorBoy]

Spanish moss. Your turn Harry

I'm sure Google has picked up this thread by now..
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And I know how important that is to you. Harry you should really study more. There are Paleo sites south of me.And unless Florida was populated from the south up..they passed through here and a spring that is present at this site would attract them for sure. Your statements only have half the truth in them. To people who don't know any better they would take your word for them mostly because you shine them up. That is a bigger disservice then most realize. I however am not one of those people so... if you would like to go toe to toe on hands on research and collections in my area you will need to pack a lunch.....and dinner.

 

[Harry Pristis]

Spanish moss. Your turn Harry . . .

You're not reading for comprehension, Gboy. Go back and read what the table says about the characteristics of transitional pottery.

I'm sure that your expertise can scarcely keep pace with your imagination, but try to keep up with the reading.

 

[GatorBoy]

You are a bit sad. Have fun I'm done with you. The one with the big imagination here is you. You provide some info you find on the computer..I provide tangible evidence. You act like you know things that people like myself provide for you to search on your computer. You have no Idea who you are speaking to right now. I find that very funny. I've watched you plaster my work on your posts. You made a blanket statement that removed any possiblity of designs on the inside of a pot like you know that somehow. The thing is...all you know about that is what someone else has made available to search. So you will always be several steps behind. Then the smart ass remarks...laughable.

 

[NC field hunter]

I don't think you and Harry would make good field partners. Toe to toe research would probably lead to a toe to toe, well, you know. Keep it clean! No low blows!

 

[GatorBoy]

He posts reports on my area for me to go by....that's his thing.Then he makes completely incorrect statements as if they are fact..and people buy it like a used car lemon. I see first hand. My area has had very little in the way of well documented stratified sites. I read misinformation constantly. Its a joke to show me a web page and say.....that's how it is. That's all he has to go by.

 

[GatorBoy]

There is reports going back to the fifties that specifically point out the southern end of the Indian river lagoon having characteristics different enough from the rest of the region as to support seperating it all together. Harry P. Makes statements that are completely incorrect and should preface everything he has said with "all I found in my recent web search"

 

[GatorBoy]

look at how outdated that is

Here's what I can tell you about the cultures that produced pottery in Florida:

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The Orange Culture is considered Late Archaic. It is the culture that produced the first pottery (fiber tempered) in Florida. The Circum-Glades Culture (or "Glades Culture") area, where Gboy collected his sherds, was not inhabited early enough to have Orange Culture artifacts. The potsherds from that area are "transitional" in age (see the table above).

This is interesting, but I agree that this is beside the point of the thread. The answer to the original question is No, any marks on the inside of a pot (in Florida, anyway) are incidental tooling marks. The tool may have been carved wood, a naturally-occurring object (e.g. a sea shell), or it may have been fingertips.

Are you serious? You post info. from one sorce from the early ninteen seventies and talk like its current info.

 

[GatorBoy]

You're not reading for comprehension, Gboy. Go back and read what the table says about the characteristics of transitional pottery.

I'm sure that your expertise can scarcely keep pace with your imagination, but try to keep up with the reading.

listen to this junk... your info is from 1972 are you joking? try to keep up with the times.

 

[GatorBoy]

The entire timeline of the habitation of Florida has changed since then. There was a mammoth bone with the carving of a mammoth on it found in my area just a couple years ago. They are getting set for an excavation in January. Just Google Vero man carving...this is current info. Your lacking in your current knowlage. It appears to be the oldest carving ever found in north America. Which would also indicate there may be some problems with the Northern land bridge theory of migration into this great land of ours. Alot has changed since the "70's" www.oviasc.org/Old-Vero-Man-Site-Hi...es-in-Vero-Beach-and-Indian-River-County.html

 

[Age_old]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/06/110622-mammoth-bone-oldest-art-americas-science/

 

[GatorBoy]

 

[Harry Pristis]

Tut tut, fellows! Don't get too excited about the mammoth carving. According to Barbara Purdy, the study leader, "You always have some lingering doubt. Since there's no way to get an actual date on the bone or actual incising, the only way we're going to really, really, really prove it's authentic is do some excavations and see if perhaps there are additional specimens."

This is hardly something that will re-organize our thinking about Florida prehistory. Consider the fact that Vero Beach is at the margin of the "East and Central" culture area, an area that has evidence of Paleoindians (unlike the Glades culture area to the south of Vero Beach).

No, the mammoth carving may be a first for paleo-art, but it doesn't change our conception of the settlement patterns in Florida prehistory.

Any other evidence to offer?