has anyone seen pottery with disigns on the interior?
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I could show a thousand or more examples of the local pottery but that would be a boring post. Take my word for it.. that is not tracks of construction. This is pottery from that site. NO coil construction. I work with local Archys from time to time and know! My area.
oh also TNmoutians that sounds real cool I bet they look great. It would make a great display of local material and workmanship the old way.
oh also TNmoutians that sounds real cool I bet they look great. It would make a great display of local material and workmanship the old way.
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We are confident that you are expert at the artifacts from your area, GBoy -- you've told us often enough. But, here's the fact: It doesn't matter if the pots in question were coil-built or slab-built; each had to be tooled, inside and out, to achieve a smooth rounded finish.
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I do not boast about my knowlage of anything in this forum. Just the opposite. Although I have had to tell you several times...as you seem to feel the need to question my integrity and knowlage of my locale while flagrantly exhibiting your lack thereof. And I don't tire easily so feel free to continue. It gives me a good excuse to "Tell Us" again.
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Listen when we post stuff we try to figure out the truth. If we give bad information then people trying to learn , learn the wrong things cause somebody said that is the way it is when it is not. Incised and paddle stamped are just an end process in pottery making. It is not "incised paddle stamped". That is two different methods entirely .Long coils of clay are wrapped on each other and welded into the last until the desired height was reached.It was then smoothed down on the inside and either left plain or paddled OR incised. Paddling was done with a paddle wrapped with fabric. That impression tells us all about their weaving techniques. The paddle could also be a carved pattern on the wood. Incised is done by hand carving the clay with an object and making a design. Kinda like free hand. The whole reason for a pattern at all was to give the outside of the pot texture.. The technology seemed to have come out of Georgia into my region and am thinking it went south to Fla, to you, as well. It started in early woodland until contact. Pottery is our main source for the fabrics they made and probably wore. The fabric impressions were incidental to the process of their construction. Although made by the coiling method they were also sometimes "supported" by the process in a cloth lined depression in the ground as well as some pots are big enough to be and used as burial pots.They also used corn cobs as a pattern for texture.
Pottery patterns started as technology for a greasy pot and became more elaborate as it evolved. Check out how the western anasazi made their pottery. Technology at its finest.
I also hunt with Archeologist but even they admit that local collectors can better pin point sites by the style. Like you can pin point that one site by its style. As far as decorating the inside of pots there is no reason to unless it is a rim for grip. They made spoons and lids and game stones with pottery and anything else they could think of I imagine. Here are some pictures that will show the actual weave pattern we have learned from pottery . So probably 99.9% of designs on the inside of a pot are left from the coiling process... Not trying to argue just help and learn. I learn something new every day reading ya'lls post and you have made me research many things.
I thank you.
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The paddle was incised. (Carved)....then pressed into the pottery to make that type. That leaves the lines raised on the surface of the clay. You just got confused. I have been locating sites by pottery..and using the same method you just described for quite a while. Like wise with the learning and thank you as well. That being said there IS no reason for it that I know either that is what intreaged me about this. There may be a purpose not known yet...that's how we progress isn't it...my world is no longer flat thank God.
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I even have fingernail design. Bet you never saw this one.I suppose a shell is possible but I don't see any sign of ridges...it really looks like a persons nail.
you said you studied pottery construction?? Why does it sound like you don't know what soft slab construction is? These pots were not coiled.
you said you studied pottery construction?? Why does it sound like you don't know what soft slab construction is? These pots were not coiled.
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You are right it is probably the persons nails. That is not uncommon. I have read of soft slab pottery in other cultures like in India. But not in N.America. Send me a link I would enjoy learning about it. Makes sense. I have made non coiler items and fired Indian pottery making salt melting bowls but it cracked. My attempt was laughable but would be happy to share pics of what I made or make a new post. Shoot me a link on the slab pottery I would enjoy reading more about it. Thanks. Here is a "real" incised bowl from Tennessee.
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they don't look like fingernail to me
unless they had terrible long nails since there is no evidence of the end of a finger present
if you take a piece of clay and try to put fingernail marks that resemble what you showed, you will soon see it doesn't work like that...
just try it once and show us what you come up with
here is what it looks like:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/american-indian-artifacts/162951-pottery-shards-nail-marks.html
or this:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/a...ope-youre-not-tired-stuff-yet-more-added.html
unless they had terrible long nails since there is no evidence of the end of a finger present
if you take a piece of clay and try to put fingernail marks that resemble what you showed, you will soon see it doesn't work like that...
just try it once and show us what you come up with
here is what it looks like:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/american-indian-artifacts/162951-pottery-shards-nail-marks.html
or this:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/a...ope-youre-not-tired-stuff-yet-more-added.html
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try this link
About Native American Pottery
About Native American Pottery
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Does anyone have a pottery paddle to show? And if they were made out of wood could one be turned into stone from being in the mud for a very long time? Or did they use stone for their paddles? There is a reason I am asking this. I have a paddle at least that is what I was told it was. It is stone. I can do a pic if anyone wants to see it.
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Ok you asked, If you guys dont think it is that is fine cause I am just going by what I was told. It has some fresh damage on the end. I wish people would watch where they walk. LOL, found in NW Ga near water.I believe it is flint or chert.
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When you say "real" you mean authentic, right? That is a great piece. If I misinterpreted the post and it is the one you made, I would say you are pretty skilled.
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No that is a real ancient pot from Tennessee that I have. I can post my attempts at the same materials used from that site that produced the bowl. They are all in a bucket on my deck. Pretty hilarious. I do not want to hi jack this thread though. Tn pottery is red here as you go north towards say Kentucky it turns tan or grey. I have a large pot I am restoring.
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It would be interesting to see . Just post one pic. Then we will drop the hijack. ;-)
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That link pretty much deals with western techniques using the slab method none mention a southern culture. I will look for some archie reports on this style. I just want to know about it. I have seen lots from the south and some as big as drums with conical bases. Just trying to learn.
Ok found it Archaic Period Great read. This was their hall mark using spanish moss making very heavy pots that could not be moved thus transitioning from Nomadic to Farming and food storage. Why you are on a good site. Thanks for your patience in learning the slab style now about those inside patterns.... haha
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