Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

[Red James Cash]

And RJC - Never heard of "Battle ready" swords?

Battle ready swords arent made out of stainless steelHigh carbon steel is much better.

What i'm saying is that in certain situations an intruder would have no shot. If your stairs are not open plan and there's a wall between them and the hallway leading to the living room, you could stand behind the wall

The intruder always has a shot if he knows where you are.A 12 gauge slug can penetrate a car from the trunk lid (1972 plymouth duster)and come out the grill as long as it doest hit the engine block(i know I've done it).Imagine what it can do in a house with 1/4 inch drywall walls.A 7.62x39 round can penetrate 2 railroad ties at 100 yards.Even a .22 longrifle(CCI Stinger)can penetrate 4 inches of pine at point blank range.Walls wont stop bullets if the intruder knows where you are.

 

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[dieselram94]

Didn't some Olympic athlete just shoot and kill his girlfriend through a door somewhere? I think I heard that on the news?

 

[BosnMate]

You don't even need buckshot, inside a house bird shot will do the deed. I had a friend with 20 acres of new grapes, one bite and the vine was gone. So he had a permit to kill the deer doing the damage, and the meat was taken to the county jail. The deer were shot at night, in the headlights of his truck, using bird shot. It was a real eye opener, they were far enough away that the pattern had opened, so there were really no visible wounds, perhaps a bb hole in an ear. Those animals went down like they were pole axed, instant death.

 

[302guy]

Battle ready swords arent made out of stainless steelHigh carbon steel is much better.



The intruder always has a shot if he knows where you are.A 12 gauge slug can penetrate a car from the trunk lid (1972 plymouth duster)and come out the grill as long as it doest hit the engine block(i know I've done it).Imagine what it can do in a house with 1/4 inch drywall walls.A 7.62x39 round can penetrate 2 railroad ties at 100 yards.Even a .22 longrifle(CCI Stinger)can penetrate 4 inches of pine at point blank range.Walls wont stop bullets if the intruder knows where you are.

Hope you did it to an old car, and didn't accidentally shoot your own.

 

[Red James Cash]

Hope you did it to an old car, and didn't accidentally shoot your own

An old car of mine that I pulled the engine and transmission from.I never accidentally shot anything lol.I'll also add hiding behind a car door usually wont work eitherif anybody believes so,you watch to much television Even a .22 will penetrate a car door as long as it doesnt hit any of the window mechanism.A 12 gauge slug will plow its way right through.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

.A 12 gauge slug will plow its way right through.

A 12 gage slug will go through both doors of a car, as will buckshot, unless they hit the window motor, pattern on the buckshot will allow probably 1/2 ounce of the lead to keep on trucking through or as the Doors put it "Break on through to the other side".......

Theme song of a 12 gage shell...

 

[Red James Cash]

A 12 gage slug will go through both doors of a car, as will buckshot, unless they hit the window motor, pattern on the buckshot will allow probably 1/2 ounce of the lead to keep on trucking through or as the Doors put it "Break on through to the other side"..

Yup you got it TH.If you really want a devastating round.Pick up some federal 12 gauge 1 1/4 ounce slugs.Just to see what one would do,I had a big cinder block,weighed about 70 pounds.I hit it with a federal 1 1/4 ounce slug.The cinder block was basically dust afterwards

 

[dieselram94]

Yup you got it TH.If you really want a devastating round.Pick up some federal 12 gauge 1 1/4 ounce slugs.Just to see what one would do,I had a big cinder block,weighed about 70 pounds.I hit it with a federal 1 1/4 ounce slug.The cinder block was basically dust afterwards

Just bought a box of slugs....can't wait to try them!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Yup you got it TH.If you really want a devastating round.Pick up some federal 12 gauge 1 1/4 ounce slugs.Just to see what one would do,I had a big cinder block,weighed about 70 pounds.I hit it with a federal 1 1/4 ounce slug.The cinder block was basically dust afterwards

Don't you folks have proper kill zones set up in your house. Sounds like you have not positioned your furniture etc up properly to funnel any intruder to your predefined areas? If your not familiar with how to do this you should ask someone who knows. Sounds like there are ex military on here who would know. Sounds like you are leaving way to much up to chance from some of your comments.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Just bought a box of slugs....can't wait to try them!

Folks still seeing ammo / gun shortages out there?

 

[Dano Sverige]

Friend of mine in Virginia asked me in email yesterday if i...ME lol...had any spare 9mm ammo i could send as he couldn't find any in the stores for the new gun he got his wife for valentines day!

I swear, you yanks are nuts!

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I am not having any trouble getting ammo myself.....I picked up 3 boxes of 12 gage buckshot and 2 boxes of slugs today....

Stock there is no problem with setting up a kill zone with a 12 gage shot gun, everything in front of me is a kill zone...

 

[dieselram94]

I can't get .22 lr or 38 specials around here. shotgun ammo can be scarce as well...

 

[Red James Cash]

Diesel get a lee pocket handloader for 12 gauge.Though i didnt have the handloader i use to take birdshot shells apart and stuff them with different things.Take a little wadding out you cant fit 4 to 6 .50 cal muzzleloader balls in,even more .44 cal in.I also experimented using around 1/3 inch ballbearings.Armour piercing?could be lol.I think the nastiest one I made up was 3 ballbearings that miked out at around .65 cal.

 

[ShadowLine]

I love it when people with no understanding of firearms and ballistics mock those that plan ahead for intruders in their house. It doesn't take more than the most basic understanding of ballistics to know any responsible gun owner would think about choke points and obstructions. People on here are talking about using a 12 ga to defend their home. Yes, a slug will blow through multiple layers of drywall. But what if you have other people in your house? What if you live in a townhome and have neighbors on the the other side of the wall? What if you have neighbors close by?

What if your child's room is on the other side of the back door? You have to know where you want to have a confrontation with an intruder so you can keep everyone as safe as possible. If that means moving furniture, you better think about that before someone enters your house in the middle of the night. If you have kids in the home you better have a complete understanding of ballistics (for all of the ammo you own) and you better have the proper set-up so you don't end up killing one of them due to over penetration.

Ignorance must be bliss.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Your correct and already thought of that. I keep a 9mm loaded with hollow points in kitchen and a loaded 9mm with hollow points upstairs in master bedroom. Keep 12 gage with buckshot loaded upstairs as well.

House is alarmed and set to announce every time a door or window is open. 12 gage is for after dark when we are in bed and field of fire is clear and down.


I also own 2 parrots that let me know when anyone is near house, it is imposible to sneak up on my Eclectus parrot, i have tried. She announces ever vistor before they ever get to my door.

I love it when people with no understanding of firearms and ballistics mock those that plan ahead for intruders in their house. It doesn't take more than the most basic understanding of ballistics to know any responsible gun owner would think about choke points and obstructions. People on here are talking about using a 12 ga to defend their home. Yes, a slug will blow through multiple layers of drywall. But what if you have other people in your house? What if you live in a townhome and have neighbors on the the other side of the wall? What if you have neighbors close by?

What if your child's room is on the other side of the back door? You have to know where you want to have a confrontation with an intruder so you can keep everyone as safe as possible. If that means moving furniture, you better think about that before someone enters your house in the middle of the night. If you have kids in the home you better have a complete understanding of ballistics (for all of the ammo you own) and you better have the proper set-up so you don't end up killing one of them due to over penetration.

Ignorance must be bliss.

 

[ShadowLine]

I have a plan to handle night time as well. Due to the location of our children, I (and my wife) know exactly how we plan on handling different situations. I have home defense ammunition for every firearm I own, and different firearms for different uses. People want to make this type of planning into a joke, but its anything but a joke. People's lives can be protected with appropriate education and planning. People can be killed with a haphazard Die Hard mentality. They can make fun if they want, but in the end my family will undeniably be safer because of the time and forethought that has been put into this. People like to say a person is more likely to be injured by their own gun, but I seriously doubt that holds true for someone that has trained with the weapon, and planned on likely scenarios for its use.

I can tell you this... In my home I know where I can put certain rounds to hit a target behind cover. More importantly I have several places where my family can hunker down with virtually no risk of being hit by an intruder's shots. Isn't that the most important thing? Staying alive and safe until help arrives? Think about it, I'm saying multiple people with firearms can break into my house, and I have a set plan to get my entire family to a safe location. I also have the ability to defend that position from safe locations until the police arrive (approximate 10 minute wait time where I live). Why is that something to make fun of? Do people really suggest a sword and no planing is in any way comparable to my preparation?

I have a very small chance of ever needing to use any of my firearms or plans. It's just nice to know I have them just in case.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I have a plan to handle night time as well. Due to the location of our children, I (and my wife) know exactly how we plan on handling different situations. I have home defense ammunition for every firearm I own, and different firearms for different uses. People want to make this type of planning into a joke, but its anything but a joke. People's lives can be protected with appropriate education and planning. People can be killed with a haphazard Die Hard mentality. They can make fun if they want, but in the end my family will undeniably be safer because of the time and forethought that has been put into this. People like to say a person is more likely to be injured by their own gun, but I seriously doubt that holds true for someone that has trained with the weapon, and planned on likely scenarios for its use.

I can tell you this... In my home I know where I can put certain rounds to hit a target behind cover. More importantly I have several places where my family can hunker down with virtually no risk of being hit by an intruder's shots. Isn't that the most important thing? Staying alive and safe until help arrives? Think about it, I'm saying multiple people with firearms can break into my house, and I have a set plan to get my entire family to a safe location. I also have the ability to defend that position from safe locations until the police arrive (approximate 10 minute wait time where I live). Why is that something to make fun of? Do people really suggest a sword and no planing is in any way comparable to my preparation?

I have a very small chance of ever needing to use any of my firearms or plans. It's just nice to know I have them just in case.

Setting up proper kill zones is the best way to ensure home defense. If you do not, you are leaving way to much up to chance.

 

[Dano Sverige]

I have a plan to handle night time as well. Due to the location of our children, I (and my wife) know exactly how we plan on handling different situations. I have home defense ammunition for every firearm I own, and different firearms for different uses. People want to make this type of planning into a joke, but its anything but a joke. People's lives can be protected with appropriate education and planning. People can be killed with a haphazard Die Hard mentality. They can make fun if they want, but in the end my family will undeniably be safer because of the time and forethought that has been put into this. People like to say a person is more likely to be injured by their own gun, but I seriously doubt that holds true for someone that has trained with the weapon, and planned on likely scenarios for its use.

I can tell you this... In my home I know where I can put certain rounds to hit a target behind cover. More importantly I have several places where my family can hunker down with virtually no risk of being hit by an intruder's shots. Isn't that the most important thing? Staying alive and safe until help arrives? Think about it, I'm saying multiple people with firearms can break into my house, and I have a set plan to get my entire family to a safe location. I also have the ability to defend that position from safe locations until the police arrive (approximate 10 minute wait time where I live). Why is that something to make fun of? Do people really suggest a sword and no planing is in any way comparable to my preparation?

I have a very small chance of ever needing to use any of my firearms or plans. It's just nice to know I have them just in case.

A very fine line between "preparation" and "paranoia". Your last sentence shows you're on the good side of the fence. Although if "multiple people with firearms" are breaking into your home, you're either a wealthy drug dealer or wanted by the police! I suppose your plan works for either.

Anyhow, RJC has come up with the cure for Americas gun problems - Ban guns....give everyone a parrot! (Geese are better...they attack!).

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Not the case at all. My next door neighbor owned a small neighborhood grocery, several times he had 5-6 peoplin a home invasion looking for money, one time 3 held his family while 3 went with him to store to force him to open safe. Most home invasions involve multiple assailants....