Harvard Study: Gun Control Is Counterproductive

That can happen. So can about a million other potential misfortunes. I know people who have been injured or killed from every manner of misfortune both inside and outside the house. Some much more probable than others. I drive knowing that at anytime an erratic or drunk driver can slam in to me. I fly all over the world. I swim and kayak in the ocean. I interact with people knowing they could have sickness / disease.

We all "know someone" .,,, that has absolutely faced tragic events. We could all choose to live locked away in a plastic bubble to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

As long as Eva and I had an unending supply of Guinness I think I could be happy living in a plastic bubble. ;)
 

Jim I worked for concrete company for 3 years after working as a mason tender for a year. It is hard physical work and dangerous. I still have scare from concrete sores from the lime.

Hope your health is well now....
 

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Jim I worked for concrete company for 3 years after working as a mason tender for a year. It ids hard physical work and dangerous. I still have scare from concrete sores from the lime.

Hope your health is well now....
Yup...those scars may fade, but never go completely away. When I was 17, and completely broke, I was helping pour some sidewalks, and had nothing on my feet but tennis shoes. The grit in the concrete, at the top of the tennies, scratched the skin, the alkali got in there, and I wear the scars to this day. Fortunately, with most of the typical concrete I worked with, my hands were mostly immune. Can't say the same for my muscles...ha ha
Jim
 

Crispin said:
Yeah, it was J.R.R...you caught me. I changed it around a bit, but the essence was still there. It was a combination of a few different quotes at different points in the books.

Crispin

When gandalf confronts grima worm tongue ? and on the bridge with the Baltic of course. Been a while since I've read them.
 

When gandalf confronts grima worm tongue ? and on the bridge with the Baltic of course. Been a while since I've read them.

Yup, you got it. Not a Baltic....a Balrog, "a demon of the ancient world." ;)

Also parts when Aragorn and company gets introduced to Gandalf the White.

Crispin
 

I know what you mean, I got the sorts at the top of my rubber boots on my legs because I wore shorts, working in Florida....
I had to hosiptal gor one on bridge of my nose that just kept getting deeper.
 

That can happen. So can about a million other potential misfortunes. I know people who have been injured or killed from every manner of misfortune both inside and outside the house. Some much more probable than others. I drive knowing that at anytime an erratic or drunk driver can slam in to me. I fly all over the world. I swim and kayak in the ocean. I interact with people knowing they could have sickness / disease.

We all "know someone" .,,, that has absolutely faced tragic events. We could all choose to live locked away in a plastic bubble to keep ourselves as safe as possible.

Seatbelts, Insurance, Life preserver, Helmets....you do wear a helmet right? What if your kayak rolls and you hit your head and drown, or someone drowns trying to get to you? It's easy to poke holes in the other guys plans. But when it comes down to it..we all carry a little insurance. I'm going to trust that you have enough experience with your kayak and confidence in your abilities that you don't pose a danger to yourself or others because of its use. Why is that too hard to understand. Without insurance, my life would never change. I would still go about things the same way. A plastic bubble would be preferable to this hamster wheel though.
 

Seatbelts, Insurance, Life preserver, Helmets....you do wear a helmet right? What if your kayak rolls and you hit your head and drown, or someone drowns trying to get to you? It's easy to poke holes in the other guys plans. But when it comes down to it..we all carry a little insurance. I'm going to trust that you have enough experience with your kayak and confidence in your abilities that you don't pose a danger to yourself or others because of its use. Why is that too hard to understand. Without insurance, my life would never change. I would still go about things the same way. A plastic bubble would be preferable to this hamster wheel though.

I never wear a life jacket when I kayak....but I do carry one so I am in compliance. Its my choice....just like owning my guns. My choice.
 

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As long as Eva and I had an unending supply of Guinness I think I could be happy living in a plastic bubble. ;)

I see that pub can. I actually prefer them over the bottles. Plus the round widgets make great practice golf balls. Can hit them hard and they don't go too far. Works great for chipping around the yard.
 

T H told some personal stories, and that reminded me of the one time I felt the need to be armed. But first let me tell you how to sober up a drunk. Like T H I've been armed for years, sometimes in places where it was totally illegal, and at 75 I've never been in trouble for anything but speeding tickets. I'm 6'2" and most of my life, my size has kept me out of trouble. In Oregon, menacing with a gun or knife is a rather serious crime, which I totally agree with. People should not point guns at other people. If a person feels the need to pull a gun, then the need better be bad enough that the shooting commences, otherwise talk your way out of it, or leave, because you could be in more trouble than the bad guy simply because you were threatening with the gun. Years ago when the bank owned the ranch and I worked my :censored: off to make the payments, a car stopped on the county road and a drunk guy got out. He was fighting with a woman still in the car, and they were hollering at each other. I guess the reason they stopped was because he had to P, because that's what he was doing when she drove off. This was probably 1AM, I'd just got to bed after working swing shift at the mill, so was awake and watching out the window when I heard the hollering. In those days there was no death penalty in Oregon, and it was totally against the law to use deadly physical force to protect your property unless the perp. was inside your house, otherwise you were up a creek, firearms were illegal to protect property. I knew that at the time, and didn't want to kill the guy anyhow. In those days my wife and I never took the keys out of our cars, and I figured that was the drunks next move. So there was an 30-06 and a double twelve gauge in the closet, so I decided if he started to steal the car, I was going to use the 12 to scare the crap out of him as he was driving off, so grabbed the gun and stuffed a couple of bird shot into it. The drunk staggered past the cars with a definite port list, and came to the door, I had the gun in my hand already, so what the heck. The door was unlocked, so I turned on the lights, and stood back. He knocked, I said "come in." He opens the door only to see a guy at port arms with a double 12. It's remarkable how fast that will sober a person up. He said, "May I please borrow your phone?" I said sure. Looking back I think it's funny, and it's just the way it worked out, if I hadn't already had the gun in hand, I would have answered the door without a gun. That's not the time I felt threatened. The next time I was actually a bit worried. One of the things that happens to old men is water problems, and I have to take water pills. When the pills are fresh, I usually can't go more that an hour before needing to relieve myself. I had business in California, and was legally armed in Oregon, but had I been caught in California I don't know what they would have done, life in prison maybe, I don't know, don't care, I've carried in California a lot and nothing has come of it. Anyhow, I got off to an early start after a couple of cups of coffee. By the time I got to the rest stop north of Grants Pass, my eyeballs were yellow. I pulled in, and way down the other end of the parking lot there was one car with the hood up and a guy standing by it. There were no other cars, and I saw no other people, and it was probably 3:AM. The looks of everything really boogered me, it didn't look good at all. So I walked into the head, but before going through the door, my 1911 was in my hand, pointing down at my side, kind of keeping it close and under cover so to speak. I was alone in there, so with my gun in one hand and the pistol in the other, took care of the necessaries. While doing that, steps were heard coming down the walk, and this guy from the car walks in. Keep in mind the guy and his car were far enough off that I had no idea what nationality he was, but it worked out that he was of a different race, with lots of tattoos, looking every bit to an old country boy like a gang member. Quite frankly I don't know if he was a gang member or a good guy with tattoos, we made eye contact and he left. When I left the head he was back at his car, and actually I feel bad if he was truly broken down and needing help. I don't live where there are gangs, but I see pictures of gang members on the news, and I feel I did the right thing, even if I technically broke the law, because just showing a gun is legally called menacing, and looking like a gang member isn't against the law or legally considered menacing, although I think it is, but my ideas don't usually count. The facts are, just the presence of a gun stops a lot of crimes before they start. If any California cops are reading this, you don't have to be on the lookout for me any more, my relatives down there are all gone, so I'll keep my guns north of the border. Even though I was raised down there, and spent about a fourth of my life in California, that's another place I won't go because of all the hen house laws they have, and I'm sure they don't care, they have too many people anyhow.
 

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Crispin said:
Yup, you got it. Not a Baltic....a Balrog, "a demon of the ancient world." ;)

Also parts when Aragorn and company gets introduced to Gandalf the White.

Crispin

Yup I think that was auto spelling correct in action.
 

I know what you mean, I got the sorts at the top of my rubber boots on my legs because I wore shorts, working in Florida....
I had to hosiptal gor one on bridge of my nose that just kept getting deeper.
They can be REAL bad. We were pouring a 2' thick mat foundation one time, and a buddy's boots weren't quite tall enough. The abrasion at the top edge, combined with the concrete put him in the hospital, and he was a few months recovering....bad business. Upper legs are really vulnerable (soft skin). Upper arms, too, though they rarely get in the mud. I'm glad yours, and mine, are only for "show" now...LOL
And thanks for inquiring on my health. I'm doing OK. I can still go up a mountain pretty good ( and maybe more importantly, back down..ha ha). Had the left shoulder carved on a year ago, and it's now fine. Got a bad back, and the knees are showing some wear, but what the heck, I ain't a kid anymore. Better to slide into the grave completely worn out, than to die in great shape, never having done anything.
Jim
 

This whole "you can defend yourself with a sword" attitude is interesting. It is absolutely true that a blade can make an excellent defensive weapon. It is true that anyone with a bladed weapon inside 30ft is a deadly threat. I understand people want to argue, but its true. That does not mean for many people and most situations that it is superior to a firearm though. There's a reason you don't bring a knife to a gun-fight, but its hardly useless.

True. Also the fact that, unless you're rich, you're always within 30ft of anyone else within your home. Getting a clear shot in a dark house full of walls, doorways, cupboards etc can be awkward. Depending on your layout and where you stand, a gunman may have to get within reach of a mans arms and 3ft samurai sword. SNIK!!

And RJC - Never heard of "Battle ready" swords?
 

True. Also the fact that, unless you're rich, you're always within 30ft of anyone else within your home. Getting a clear shot in a dark house full of walls, doorways, cupboards etc can be awkward. Depending on your layout and where you stand, a gunman may have to get within reach of a mans arms and 3ft samurai sword. SNIK!!

And RJC - Never heard of "Battle ready" swords?
Just how long do you think 30 feet is? My house is 40 feet long and I am not rich (not sure what being rich has to do with this?)
 

They can be REAL bad. We were pouring a 2' thick mat foundation one time, and a buddy's boots weren't quite tall enough. The abrasion at the top edge, combined with the concrete put him in the hospital, and he was a few months recovering....bad business. Upper legs are really vulnerable (soft skin). Upper arms, too, though they rarely get in the mud. I'm glad yours, and mine, are only for "show" now...LOL
And thanks for inquiring on my health. I'm doing OK. I can still go up a mountain pretty good ( and maybe more importantly, back down..ha ha). Had the left shoulder carved on a year ago, and it's now fine. Got a bad back, and the knees are showing some wear, but what the heck, I ain't a kid anymore. Better to slide into the grave completely worn out, than to die in great shape, never having done anything.
Jim

I have had rotator surgery on both my shoulders, on the right side I had both rotator cuff and bone spurs cut on at the same time..... No fun at all... I see from the quote of mine that my smart phone was not coming out well.. Oh well such is life..........
 

True. Also the fact that, unless you're rich, you're always within 30ft of anyone else within your home. Getting a clear shot in a dark house full of walls, doorways, cupboards etc can be awkward. Depending on your layout and where you stand, a gunman may have to get within reach of a mans arms and 3ft samurai sword. SNIK!!

And RJC - Never heard of "Battle ready" swords?

A couple things should be pointed out about using blades for home defense. First it is unable to inflict harm at a distance. This means you will be in striking distance of an aggressor before you can use it. This increases the likelihood of injury to yourself. Second a blade, especially a sword, requires room to maneuver. Third, in order to scare off an aggressor they will need to see the weapon and have an inferior weapon (most likely). With a firearm you can maintain distance and utilize cover for your defense. You can also use a warning shot or slide rack to alert an aggressor. As for the effects of darkness, i believe its less of an issue than you portray. Unless you have total darkness it is unlikely that you will not be able to find your target. Many guns come standard wih nightsights which are perfectly visible in pitch dark. many people also carry a flashlight or weapon light as well. in the end darkness would probably favor the firearm.
 

I will take my pistol at 10-15 feet over a sword at 15 feet any day.... I practice firing at targets from 50', 40', 30', 20' and 15 feet.... Squeezing off 4-6 rounds from my 9mm pistol as quick as possible at the 15' target with the desired result of having a tight grouping of 4-5 inches or less...
 

So would i, and i'm not arguing that a sword is better than a gun in this situation. What i'm saying is that in certain situations an intruder would have no shot. If your stairs are not open plan and there's a wall between them and the hallway leading to the living room, you could stand behind the wall and if the intruder is creeping up there heading for the stairs then the first thing you're going to see is his gun. The next thing you'll see is his hand...wrist...lower arm....

THAT, is when you should strike Grasshopper!.....Not saying it's perfect, but possible and effective!
 

Not saying it isn't, any weapon is better for defense than no weapon...........

I prefer a 12 ga shotgun for home defense loaded with buckshot......Wall board and plaster is cheap to repair.......My Remington 1100 12 ga holds 8 shells of buckshot.....
 

Not saying it isn't, any weapon is better for defense than no weapon...........

I prefer a 12 ga shotgun for home defense loaded with buckshot......Wall board and plaster is cheap to repair.......My Remington 1100 12 ga holds 8 shells of buckshot.....

Did you guys just agree on something?!?! Call the paramedics...I'm going into cardiac arrest.
 

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