Fun with G.E.

[somehiker]

Don't really know if it is or not, Homar.
If I did, I could probably show you the gold as well. At least while it was still in the rock...inside the mine or in the cache.
That way there would be no doubt.
But I haven't spent a lot of time in that area as yet. I'd rather work with what others have melted down and poured somewhere else.
It's a whole lot more interesting than breaking rocks.
Fixed the sombrero photo in my last post btw.....
Pretty sure I've got one of my own somewhere in this computer. And a couple of a cache out there too. But that one was easier to find for now.

Regards:Wayne

 

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[lgadbois]

Many pictures, many maps, and many different destinations. It seems to be a big kettle of stew!

This view is looking South from Squaw Box toward the North end of Bluff Springs Mountain. In my opinion, this view does not look like the Waltz doodle.

I think Joe is correct. This view is looking across the saddle on the mountain due West of Weaver's Needle.

 

[lgadbois]

The photo taken by David Leach does not look like the Waltz doodle. The lower hump on the Needle is on the wrong side when viewed from the East. The Perfil Mapa could be described as a gunsight view. This mine is due East of the Needle. Both LaBarge Upper Box and the next canyon North have "V" shaped sides. Another mine was found just East of there by Danny Adams on what he calls Mountain 3487. The corral just to the North of this mine was a favorite painting location for Ted Degrazia.

 

[Somero]

Real World



G.E.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ladies Gentlemen, coffee?? Regarding Google Earth, I defy you to recognize Tayopa with it. Only if you are familiar with every rock and arroyo can you recognize it. It generally takes me a few minutes to home back on it, and I have spent lot's time there on foot.

There is a tremendous difference between Google Earth and quality aerial photography. There isn't a lot of the Supers that doesn't have quality photographs available, many free.

In addition aerial Photography will give you an effective 3D image with the stereo viewer - some have even trained themselves to see this 3D effect on adjacent photos without a viewer..

Don't rely upon Google Earth too much, while a marvelous tool it does have it's limits. I certainly wish that I had had it when I started out, but then the Wright's contraption still hadn't ironed out the problems of effective control yet, let alone used for aerial Photography...

Don Jose de La Mancha.

 

[Rawhide]

I have recommended for years to always find the highest point and map out a site. Pictures help to. Google earth and Topos only work once you already have the coords LOL. But you can find some monuments with GE. I also look for certain topography and formations. John you hunt a lot like I do. Since I only find ore in raw form I can say there is a big difference in fired metal and raw ore.

 

[roadrunner]

This all I know for now.
Not very much, but it is not cost efficient.
It would cost more than what it is worth.
Gold can currently be manufactured in a nuclear reactor by irradiation either of platinum or mercury.
Had to look it up on the net. Have to look up isotope thingy now.

 

[Cubfan64]

learn about isotope radiation from man made oro and existant oro, non man made

Can you point us to information we can read about radiation given off by man made and naturally existing gold? As I understand it, naturally occurring gold does not emit any radiation at all. The other isotopes of gold are completely man made and most have very short half lives.

How does this relate to finding gold ore deposits?

Thanks

 

[Somero]

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[lgadbois]

give you a tip:

another hint: learn about isotope radiation from man made oro and existant oro, non man made

you figure those two out and I'll drop a bomb on ya how it all ties in together with g.e., the stones, and hiking and photographing the supes, etc

hmmm......

[h=2]Isotopes of gold
Gold is monoisotopic consisting completely of 197Au. However there are a number of radioisotopes, some of which are listed. The gold isotope 198Au is used for treating cancer and other conditions. In the form of a gold colloid, 198Au has a diagnostic use for liver imaging and a therapeutic use in treatment of widespread abdominal carcinomatosis with ascites; carcinomatosis of pleura with effusion; lymphomas; interstitially in metastatic tumour. While there is a certain risk from the β-decay of 198Au the calculation is that the benefits outweight the risks. Additional information.[/h][h=3]Naturally occurring isotopes[/h][TABLE="class: chemistry-data, width: 570"]
This table shows information about naturally occuring isotopes, their atomic masses, theirnatural abundances, their nuclear spins, and their magnetic moments. Further data for radioisotopes (radioactive isotopes) of gold are listed (including any which occur naturally) below.[TR]
[TH]Isotope[/TH]
[TH]Atomic mass (ma/u)[/TH]
[TH]Natural abundance (atom %)[/TH]
[TH]Nuclear spin (I)[/TH]
[TH]Magnetic moment (μ/μN)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]197Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]196.966543 (4)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]100[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3/2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.148159[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

In the above picture, the most intense ion is set to 100% since this corresponds best to the output from a mass spectrometer. This is not to be confused with the relative percentage isotope abundances which total 100% for all the naturally occurring isotopes.​

[h=3]Radiosotope data[/h][TABLE="class: chemistry-data, width: 570"]
Further data for naturally occuring isotopes of gold are listed above. This table gives information about some radiosotopes of gold, their masses, their half-lives, their modes of decay, their nuclear spins, and their nuclear magnetic moments.[TR]
[TH]Isotope[/TH]
[TH]Mass[/TH]
[TH]Half-life[/TH]
[TH]Mode of decay[/TH]
[TH]Nuclear spin[/TH]
[TH]Nuclear magnetic moment[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]194Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]193.96534[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1.64 d[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]EC to 194Pt[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.075[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]195Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]194.965017[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]186.12 d[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]EC to 195Pt[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3/2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.149[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]196Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]196.966551[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]6.18 d[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]EC to 196Pt; β- to196Hg[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.591[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]198Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]197.968225[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2.694 d[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]β- to 198Hg[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.5934[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]199Au[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]198.968748[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3.14 d[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]β- to 199Hg[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]3/2[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]0.2715

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


So, now I want the "bomb" that tells us why that is important, J.A.

 

[roadrunner]

For another thing Gold is used in Atomic Bombs. look that up on the web.
Maybe a reason why all gold was confiscated, outlawed, and mines shut down. Around WWII right?
Because we where building a nuke, and nobody wanted any raw materials laying around.

 

[roadrunner]

Went to Kellyco.com, the metal detector site right, could not find anything.

 

[lgadbois]

JA,
If you are saying that you can detect gold isotopes with a scintillation detector, you have been mislead!

 

[Cubfan64]

Not sure why JA didn't just post a link, but I assume this is what he is referring to:

OKM Bionic X4 - Long Range Gold Metal Detector For Sale - Kellyco Metal Detectors

I've never seen anything from a VALID scientific standpoint to explain how long range locators work, and the question that always comes to my mind when I see these things advertised is...

If you can manufacture a device that locates buried gold deposits, gold treasures, etc... what would prompt you to build more of them and sell them? Surely you could make FAR MORE $$ just using it to locate gold yourself no?

That said, if you think it works for you, go for it.

 

[Rawhide]

I never understand why folks wont let others be. I don't place a scientific view on anything. Pretty sure we are lied to by science for our own safety every day. Just ask a California dredger. There is some very successful folks who use or build Lrl. Don't be left out of the conversation because you own a at pro.....LOL. it all works just depends on the operator. Having some hands on working with lasers Ja's comments makes perfect sense. But I have found few who could understand how or why we would use charged ions outside a lab. I understand the world is flat and the universe evolves around you LOL. I think Ja is doing great.

 

[deducer]

Real World

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G.E.

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Excellent example.

Too bad the crackpots in this thread and others, are flat out ignoring this. But then they wouldn't be crackpots in the first place if they weren't.

 

[lgadbois]

Look at kellyco.com about ionic and bionic radiation. OKM Nokta King about isotopes.

For discussions on Long Range Locators see the following forum:
Long Range Locators

 

[lgadbois]

John, you were the one that brought up the XKM Bionic X4, which is a LRL.

Your posts on this forum are not helpful. You want to attract attention. It's a lot of this type of "I know something you don't know. I can prove it (but you never do.)" Anyone can take blurry pictures that are totally useless and post them to a forum. This forum was started for the purpose of discussing the use of Google Earth, and the fact that satellite views do not look the same as "boots on the ground." If you have something to contribute to a forum then do it.

 

[cactusjumper]

Many pictures, many maps, and many different destinations. It seems to be a big kettle of stew!

This view is looking South from Squaw Box toward the North end of Bluff Springs Mountain. In my opinion, this view does not look like the Waltz doodle.

I think Joe is correct. This view is looking across the saddle on the mountain due West of Weaver's Needle.

igadbois,

There must be millions of "matches" in the Supe's. Keep in mind that Waltz may have visited that area many years before he drew that view......assuming he did it at all. He may have been close to death as well, which may have thrown out perfect accuracy.

I like my picture for a number of reasons.



Take care,

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

John, you were the one that brought up the XKM Bionic X4, which is a LRL.

Your posts on this forum are not helpful. You want to attract attention. It's a lot of this type of "I know something you don't know. I can prove it (but you never do.)" Anyone can take blurry pictures that are totally useless and post them to a forum. This forum was started for the purpose of discussing the use of Google Earth, and the fact that satellite views do not look the same as "boots on the ground." If you have something to contribute to a forum then do it.

Igad - to be fair, JA only suggested going to Kellyco.com and looking up ionic and bionic radiation. I went to Kellyco.com, typed those terms individually into the search function for the site and came up with links to only 2 things - the OKM Bionic 01 and the OKM Bionic X4 - both LRL's. I posted the link to the Bionic X4 and hoped JA would provide some more insight to exactly what he was trying to discuss. I assumed that since he didn't correct me that I had found the correct information on Kellyco.com that he wanted us to all read. If I was wrong, he should have corrected me.