Fresh Water Wreck - 2nd Item

DandyDon

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Flagpole Topper.

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Still looks like to me a pull to a drawer,,,Carpenters would have used them on board 18th and 19th century vessels ..Which would fit with all the other artifacts ( coins, forks , knives, & dinner plate ).................................................................


Simon
 

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SimonLakeSub said:
Still looks like to me a pull to a drawer,,,Carpenters would have used them on board 18th and 19th century vessels ..Which would fit with all the other artifacts ( coins, forks , knives, & dinner plate ).................................................................


Simon
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Hi Simon,

It is 4.5 inches long and weighs near a pound. If it was a inch or so long I would completely agree with you :).
 

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It appears to me that there is a top section that is removable. Looks like you have a "two-piecer". The item doesn't appear to be in its display-ready condition. I think there must be something missing from your item. Maybe a wooden shaft went between the brass pieces. Could have been ivory or bone or even jade. Who knows? The hole in the bottom would have run through all three pieces of your item and had a tightening rod through them all. The top piece's edge overlaps the bottom piece's edge. That tells me that wood is most likely missing.

My guess??????? One of the handles to an old ship's wheel which is missing the wooden middle piece. GL

Laater...
 

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Will.Dig.For.Food said:
It appears to me that there is a top section that is removable. Looks like you have a "two-piecer". The item doesn't appear to be in its display-ready condition. I think there must be something missing from your item. Maybe a wooden shaft went between the brass pieces. Could have been ivory or bone or even jade. Who knows? The hole in the bottom would have run through all three pieces of your item and had a tightening rod through them all. The top piece's edge overlaps the bottom piece's edge. That tells me that wood is most likely missing.

My guess??????? One of the handles to an old ship's wheel which is missing the wooden middle piece. GL

Laater...
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This item was casted and is hollow. Top does not unscrew as I've tried to do that already. Looks as if there might have been treads in the bottom square hole at one time and have since been stripped out. I really do believe that these could be bed post toppers. Please look at the reference metal bed frame that was posted a couple of days ago. As for the finish, it is the same as it was when I pulled it out of the lake. Has not been polished as of yet, won't do so until it is determine if it is of value or not.


DD
 

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Hi Dandy ................You can stop pulling you hair out ,, as i was starting to pull mine out also lol ,,So i think i solved your find -- The part that is missing is a "SEAL"--( brass ) that screws into the other part ( 4incs. ) Seals personal or governmental seals were used to insure that correspondence arrived unopened or to validate a document's authenticity. Soft sealing wax was melted over the folds of the letter or document and the seal pressed into it to leave the impression. The earlier ones had wooden handles-- Yours more than likely would be early 1800s
give or take some,,,,, Great find , some where on the wreck is the missing brass seal !!!!!
Simon........
 

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SimonLakeSub said:
Hi Dandy ................You can stop pulling you hair out ,, as i was starting to pull mine out also lol ,,So i think i solved your find -- The part that is missing is a "SEAL"--( brass ) that screws into the other part ( 4incs. ) Seals personal or governmental seals were used to insure that correspondence arrived unopened or to validate a document's authenticity. Soft sealing wax was melted over the folds of the letter or document and the seal pressed into it to leave the impression. The earlier ones had wooden handles-- Yours more than likely would be early 1800s
give or take some,,,,, Great find , some where on the wreck is the missing brass seal !!!!!
Simon........
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So you think this was a container that carried a sealed message? Did I read that wrong?

I'm sticking with my original and MUCH less intriquing guess of bed-post topper. 8)
 

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Big Jim,

I have to say that I have heard it all, never thought that this would still be going on. As for this being a device to seal messages or carry one is a little hard to swallow especially since this does not have any initials on it. As for it being used to carry messages I would feel sorry for the messenger as this is not a light item nor is it something that would fit into someone pocket very easily.

DD
 

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DD

Yea, this threat got a little long... :D

The best part of the "What Is It?" section is the great (and sometimes strange) ideas that folks have about the items!

I enjoy the responses and learn something every time I log on!
 

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HI Dandy ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Let me try to explain this again ...The part that is missing !!is a seal (about the size of a nickel) the seal went into the part that you have (4 incs) It was used like a stamp ,,,with the object in your palm of you hand ------------------ today it would be like a rubber stamp ,,with a wooden handle ,, They date back many yrs.,,, as i stated earlier it fits with the forks,, plates etc. Nice artifact.. your wreck dates back to about 1820 - 1840,,
Simon
 

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Hi Simon,

OK, I understand what your saying now, thanks for explaining it to me.

Don


HI Dandy ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Let me try to explain this again ...The part that is missing !!is a seal (about the size of a nickel) the seal went into the part that you have (4 incs) It was used like a stamp ,,,with the object in your palm of you hand ------------------ today it would be like a rubber stamp ,,with a wooden handle ,, They date back many yrs.,,, as i stated earlier it fits with the forks,, plates etc. Nice artifact.. your wreck dates back to about 1820 - 1840,,
Simon
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HI DANDY, THANKS FOR THE MESSAGE ,,,TRY TO GET YOUR HANDS ON A BOOK Called "Collector's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution" By George Neumann and Frank Kravic. Its a great guide for identifying Revolutionary Artifacts,,,, Shows Bottles,Coins, Buttons,etc. Including what you recovered with a wooden handle! About 25 years ago, as a result of construction in New York City, I was fortunate to be one of Amateur Archaeologists to be involved in a very large scale salvage dig. Thousands of Revolutionary Artifacts were found, and recorded by South Street Seaport , I worked alongside some of the Professionals from South Street and many Relic Hunters ,,We got along fine ,,, I then took it on myself to photograph and record many of the artifacts found, At first the professionals were not pleased ,,,,But later most of them purchased my Publication!!! I did it only to share the Information, Its called " New York City's Buried Past" A Guide to Excavated New York City's Revolutionary War Artifacts... This does not make me a expert ,,But must admit some what knowledgeable...........The book was reviewed in all the Treasure magazines in the early 90s I do have photos, and drawings of lead seals, that I included, these were attached, and used as inventory on goods mostly blankets and goods. Hope I did not confuse anyone....,, nor would I offend anyone's opinions!!!! Thats how we learn ,,,Find some more Artifacts ,,
Regards Simon
 

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Simon,

Thank you for the info on this item and about your reference book.

Best regards,

Don
 

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Montana Jim,

Remember this is an open forum - ask away my brother :).

Don
 

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