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The Grim Reaper
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Then you need to contact the Smithsonian then dude. Because you have just found Points in America made from Agate found in India.
tonykidd
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What? Nice try, but they are flint. If you look closely, in the notches you can still see the flint chalk. Not sure what your angle is, but you have no idea of the variety of points we have found. Stone, flint, quartz, obsidian.
I guess it's possible that someone could have traveled 26 miles off of the last named road, walked over a mile into the woods, buried bannerstones, stone pipes and bowls, stone bird and human effigies, greenstone celts, copper weaponry and hundreds of points as a prank. Oh, and carbon dated the hafting wood found in one of the copper spear points in order to fool us AND our consulting archaeologists.
The only reason I asked if anyone knew what the large point was is BECAUSE IT'S SUNDAY AND I CAN'T CONTACT THE ARCHAEOLOGIST UNTIL TOMORROW!
But thanks for your expert opinion; it carries a tremendous amount of weight with me.
I guess it's possible that someone could have traveled 26 miles off of the last named road, walked over a mile into the woods, buried bannerstones, stone pipes and bowls, stone bird and human effigies, greenstone celts, copper weaponry and hundreds of points as a prank. Oh, and carbon dated the hafting wood found in one of the copper spear points in order to fool us AND our consulting archaeologists.
The only reason I asked if anyone knew what the large point was is BECAUSE IT'S SUNDAY AND I CAN'T CONTACT THE ARCHAEOLOGIST UNTIL TOMORROW!
But thanks for your expert opinion; it carries a tremendous amount of weight with me.
The Grim Reaper
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Show pictures of the rest then please. Those Points are not ancient and you have several very knowledgeable collectors on here that have collected their entire lives telling you the same thing. I'd like to see the Obsidian Points that were found in Alabama if you don't mind sharing them.
I want to start this off with I am no expert. For your sake I hope 100% authentic but I have to admit look just like replicas sold on eBay or all over the net. Please update us on additional information you get. I really hope someone is not playing a trick on you but even as a novice I can see why the skepticism exist- google arrowhead replicas and I think you will understand why to. Best of luck - hope your right.
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Yes, I'm well aware of fakes. I've been doing this for 40+ years so I know the game. I don't buy or sell artifacts. There is no chance that this is a fake, given the location and circumstance. I don't really care if some on this site mistakenly believe they are not authentic, because I'm not looking for their endorsement or authentication. I simply want to know the "style". I collect things that I find, period. I'm happy if you find things as well, but I don't want to buy them, or sell you mine. I'm sure you can also see why people don't want to post their finds on this site, just as I was advised against. When something new or different is introduced, people bang their fists and their heads against the wall. Believe me, we have found things that have not yet been documented in the state and region where we are finding them, and the archaeologists are going crazy. So, thanks for the input, but I just wanted someone to tell me what they think it is, if they could possibly open their minds to the fact that it is real.
O.M.G. PREACH!!!! Buddy you will see that a handful on here will call all of your artifacts repo's and all of there's real! Been dealing with it!!!! But, the thing about it is - NONE OF THEM DO IT FOR A LIVING. I have produced papers,gave origins,stories,locations,etc -- ONLY BASICALLY TO BE CALLED A LIAR! I have also spoke with kind people on this sight and saw the comments made by them because THEY TOO ARE TIRED OF THE ARROGANT POSTS MADE! Some believe they know everything there is to know about everything. Maybe im confused, but i really didnt read your post asking for a judge and jury as to authenticity like i always experience. What i saw was a posting of points found, sharing them and ideas on point type. It soon escalates to you being a liar and your items are fake and now you are being questioned about your other finds. I was warned about this site as well. If you are not in their click, then you could dig it out of the ground in front of them and they would still call you a liar. Why can people not post their finds without such a backlash whether they be repo's or not. If you are asked for advice then give it, but until then quit being an ... and be kinder to people. You are going to make your own assumptions anyway, but sometimes its better to just keep them to yourselve unless asked. Buddy, real or not - I personally appreciate your post and hope you continue. If you want to see what you may be in for - Go back about 3 pages when i first started posting. You will quickly see some amazing artifacts i posted only to meet the same fate. Sometimes people don't like to play when the others toys are much better. I have collectors coming from multiple states, papers on my artifacts(Which NO ONE ELSE on this site has shown) and a collection valued on papers at ridiculous $. I have found tons of artifacts,put miles on boots,scrutinize under the scope and am 60 yrs old but treated like i am some kind of Novice Know Nothing. P.M. me if ya like buddy. I don't care if they are real or not,but would love the passion and friendship. Respectfully, Mogi
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It looks like you do have some ancient artifacts in this additional photo, but as stated before, all of the items pictured in your original photo are genuine recent Indian artifacts from India. These have been imported heavily in recent years, and are appearing regularly at flea markets, antique shops, ebay, and now are apparently appearing on isolated prehistoric sites, as well as treasure related web sites. HH
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Those are definitely 100% Indian points you got there bud ( in your original post not where you mixed in some field grades), maybe from the Calcutta or New Dehli tribes, I like how "fresh" they look, almost as if they were made just this year.
Hey maybe you could post your collection of stone fish hooks and/or portable art as well.
You and mogi would do well to get together, you can slap each other on your backs and tell each other how completely awesome all your fakes are...better yet go start your own site where all these so called "experts" won't question your obvious fakes/repros, post an occasional actual field grade artifact, look at crystal lake effigies...and take your derisive slams against the respected members here with you, I'm sick and tired of you shysters.
Hey maybe you could post your collection of stone fish hooks and/or portable art as well.
You and mogi would do well to get together, you can slap each other on your backs and tell each other how completely awesome all your fakes are...better yet go start your own site where all these so called "experts" won't question your obvious fakes/repros, post an occasional actual field grade artifact, look at crystal lake effigies...and take your derisive slams against the respected members here with you, I'm sick and tired of you shysters.
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Very funny. You guys are so self-absorbed you just sort of toss around the same tired comments with each post. It's actually pretty funny to realize that you have no idea what you're talking about. So the fakes from India were just crafted by pure imagination? Could they have possibly had a model to copy? Please be more informed before you comment. You have no idea where this site is, and if you did, you'd realize you are completely clueless. There are trolls on every forum, regardless of their so called "expertise". I'm trying to gather information on a relic that was found at a remote site which could not possibly have been faked, but some sort of jealousy or turf protection has stopped all meaningful discussion. I'm glad you can tell so much from a picture.
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Shyster, huh? I did post some other things a few days back. Funny how those weren't called fake or repros. Look, I've been doing this for a long time, over 40 years. I don't buy or sell. I don't give a crap if you buy or sell. I have been involved well beyond any of you with one of the most influential SCC sites in North America, and I don't deal with BS. I'm new to this forum, however, and I posted things in good faith that many of you have only seen in pictures, and trusted that you would appreciate me sharing them with you. I realize that you don't know me from Adam, and I could very well be a snake-oil salesman. But I'm not trying to buy or sell anything, and I don't give a damn about your endorsements or authentication. I've wanted to find a bannerstone for 40 years. Now I've got them coming out of my ears when I thought I'd never find one. This 9.5" point was found in a place where nobody could have faked it. I was just told that the flint "thunderbird" that I found was also faked, even though it was 4 ft. underground and in a ritual cache of "authentic" and ancient items. Someone just happened to travel 26 miles into a remote location, dig up a cache on inaccessible, private and gated land and deposit a fake item among many authentic items in order to.....what? If you put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and realize that maybe there are some things you don't know and aren't sure of, you'll see why I'm a little frustrated with you guys. We have archaeologists scratching their heads at some of these things that go against their conventional wisdom, and they admit they don't know.... and they are the true experts. So, I'll be happy to keep sharing, but I'd like the benefit of the doubt. Even though you may not know it, I've earned it. If you don't agree and keep up this tone, that's your right. Just so long as you know that there are some things that may still surprise you.
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I've never seen a 9.5 inch point before. A point that large would have ceremonial value to a Native American and would most likely wouldn't be "lost" like most points we find. It would most likely be interred into a burial. I've seen and held a lot of points in my lifetime and never seen anything like that.
quito
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You said earlier there was hundred of points laying all over the ground on the newly worked/seeded area. You don't suppose the site has been salted to maybe stop some logging?
I wonder how much stuff those working the area got out of there with?
I wonder how much stuff those working the area got out of there with?
The Grim Reaper
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Ah, there we go. The good ole genuine Indian Thunderbird. You sir are a joke right along with your buddy mogi. Anyone who thinks that Thunderbird or anything you posted in your original post is an ancient artifact really needs to consider taking up stamp collecting. Maybe mogi will buy it from you and add it to his immense collection of priceless modern repros.
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tonykidd
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Most likely the long point is a grave good. The land has eroded to the point that some of the items we are finding have been uncovered. We found a stone bowl and greenstone celt yesterday sticking out of a small bank on the side of a hill which was pushed up by the loggers. We left them but will go back and dig them out by thin slicing and brushing. They are obviously not "lost" items but just in disarray. Unfortunately, the remaining items that were originall with the celt and bowl may be destroyed or broken. From what we exposed of the bowl, it looks to be about 8-10 inches in diameter based on the curvature, made of smooth greenstone or a similar rock, and has at least two legs or supports. Other bowls and mortars we've found have been rough rocks with smooth bores approximately 3" in diameter. It should be interesing.
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