?? Found a solid gold plate worth a fortune, then the state took it. Florida Hurricane treasure?

[: Michael-Robert.]

I have only been detecting Fl beaches for 18 years including the Treasure Coast beaches.

The law is still the law. I posted the link to the Florida law on the subject, did you bother to follow link I posted and read the law? Note the date at the top, it is Florida statues 2024.

The 1988 date was the date the law was first passed, it has been amended and updated multiple times. Link I posted shows law and statutes and they are still active.

"Are you participating in good faith? I think not." Is an attack on me, do not attack me again, or question why as an admin I am posting on a thread.

Here is the link AGAIN to the current law and note, it is 2024 Florida statutes.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

AND the find was in 1977....... Law did not exist. Lease did not exist. All cleared up now.

 

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[Tpmetal]

I have only been detecting Fl beaches for 18 years including the Treasure Coast beaches.

The law is still the law. I posted the link to the Florida law on the subject, did you bother to follow link I posted and read the law? Note the date at the top, it is Florida statues 2024.

The 1988 date was the date the law was first passed, it has been amended and updated multiple times. Link I posted shows law and statutes and they are still active.

"Are you participating in good faith? I think not." Is an attack on me, do not attack me again, or question why as an admin I am posting on a thread.

Here is the link AGAIN to the current law and note, it is 2024 Florida statutes.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

You seem to be ignoring key information here he has been telling you. 1977 is before 1988. There was no law at the time of the find in question. It was mentioned several times here. It appears from my point of view reading this thread you are arguing just to argue at this point.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

AND the find was in 1977....... Law did not exist. Lease did not exist. All cleared up now.

Didnt know where you were getting 1977, video is dated 2020, Terry gives no other dates on the full video, video was posted in 2020 and 15 years prior would have made it 2005

You seem to be ignoring key information here he has been telling you. 1977 is before 1988. There was no law at the time of the find in question. It was mentioned several times here. It appears from my point of view reading this thread you are arguing just to argue at this point.

Florida has passed numerous laws on treasure recovery. The 1977 find would have fallen under Florida's treasure law passed in 1969.

Florida's Shipwrecks; Who owns the treasure?

Admiralty lawyers representing the State of Florida and private treasure hunters will be locked in battle with each other in federal courts over th

www.csmonitor.com

No where in the long or short video posted does it give date of 1977, video was dated 2020, but after a lot of searching today, I found picture of tray with the finder.

Due to being in middle of hurricane last night (I'm in Orlando) internet was horrible, constantly timing out which made research very difficult at the time, plus having to constantly sweep water off back porch from the 9.6" of rain, and checking the windows every 30 mins to be sure there was no water entry didnt help.

Here is picture I found, dated June 1977.

November 2012 Treasure of the Month - 1715 Fleet Society

November's Treasure of the Month is a gold tray, once thought to be a communion tray. Later, it was determined to be a cocoa pot tray. A form of relatively sweet, but spiced cocoa was a popular

1715fleetsociety.com

 

[Limitool]

"The state realized that unsupervised recovery of publicly owned artifacts and treasure from submerged sites by commercial salvagers was resulting in the destruction of the sites, and in many cases the loss of irreplaceable, scientific and historical information," according to the "Salvage Handbook."

So was this Alex Kuze a member of commercial salvagers team or just a private citizen who happened upon it? So if he's just a diver who happens upon it and not part of a commercial enterprise why would the state take it?

So if this Alex Kuze had found this gold plate in a publicly owned park, unsupervised would the state care...?

So if this Alex Kuze was part of a commercial underwater salvage team I guess I missed that part. Or is the point even if he isn't part of a commercial underwater salvage team we'll still take your find if it's worth a lot and you show and tell the world?

I still truly envy that guy in Kentucky....!!!!!

 

[Tpmetal]

Didnt know where you were getting 1977, video is dated 2020, Terry gives no other dates on the full video, video was posted in 2020 and 15 years prior would have made it 2005


Florida has passed numerous laws on treasure recovery. The 1977 find would have fallen under Florida's treasure law passed in 1969.

Florida's Shipwrecks; Who owns the treasure?

Admiralty lawyers representing the State of Florida and private treasure hunters will be locked in battle with each other in federal courts over th

www.csmonitor.com

No where in the long or short video posted does it give date of 1977, video was dated 2020, but after a lot of searching today, I found picture of tray with the finder.

Due to being in middle of hurricane last night (I'm in Orlando) internet was horrible, constantly timing out which made research very difficult at the time, plus having to constantly sweep water off back porch from the 9.6" of rain, and checking the windows every 30 mins to be sure there was no water entry didnt help.

Here is picture I found, dated June 1977.

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November 2012 Treasure of the Month - 1715 Fleet Society

November's Treasure of the Month is a gold tray, once thought to be a communion tray. Later, it was determined to be a cocoa pot tray. A form of relatively sweet, but spiced cocoa was a popular

1715fleetsociety.com

You were told in this thread directly 2 maybe 3 times before the post I quoted. Which is why you kept getting the responses you did. No big deal just trying to clear it up for you.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You were told in this thread directly 2 maybe 3 times before the post I quoted. Which is why you kept getting the responses you did. No big deal just trying to clear it up for you.

Saying 1977 several times didn't matter without verification of the date, both the long and short video posted had no date of the find, so 1977 was just a date, and actually as it turns out was irrelevant. The issue was why was plate taken by the state, Florida's treasure law of 1969 predated the 1977 find.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

"The state realized that unsupervised recovery of publicly owned artifacts and treasure from submerged sites by commercial salvagers was resulting in the destruction of the sites, and in many cases the loss of irreplaceable, scientific and historical information," according to the "Salvage Handbook."

So was this Alex Kuze a member of commercial salvagers team or just a private citizen who happened upon it? So if he's just a diver who happens upon it and not part of a commercial enterprise why would the state take it?

So if this Alex Kuze had found this gold plate in a publicly owned park, unsupervised would the state care...?

So if this Alex Kuze was part of a commercial underwater salvage team I guess I missed that part. Or is the point even if he isn't part of a commercial underwater salvage team we'll still take your find if it's worth a lot and you show and tell the world?

I still truly envy that guy in Kentucky....!!!!!

The law you do not have to be part of a commercial salvager's team to violate the law, it is actually the opposite, he would have had far more right of possession if he had been part of the commercial salvager's team that owned the lease.

Under Florida law only employees of the lease owner is allowed to remove treasure from the lease area. You use to be able to pay a fee ($1000?) to be a subcontractor of lease owner and legally hunt, no clue if they still8 do this or not now.

 

[Tpmetal]

Saying 1977 several times didn't matter without verification of the date, bith the long and short video posted had no date of the find, so 1977 was just a date, and actually as it turns out was irrelevant. The issue was why was plate taken by the state, Florida's treasure law of 1969 predated the 1977 find.

And which part of the 1969 law says that someone who accidently finds something and turns it over to the state is guilty of a crime? Cause I can't find any part of it that does. Your attitude about this is kinda crazy. Like I said arguing just to argue.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

And which part of the 1969 law says that someone who accidently finds something and turns it over to the state is guilty of a crime? Cause I can't find any part of it that does. Your attitude about this is kinda crazy. Like I said arguing just to argue.

Takes 2 to argue if I'm not mistaken.. . I was talking about what the law allows. When I started metal detecting I studied what I was allowed since I am primarily a beach hunter. I have detected Treasure Coast where plate was found multiple times.

I was born and raised in Florida, family ancestry in Florida goes back to the mid 1840s. Im into collecting indian artifacts, it use to be if you found arrowhead or artifact in a creek or stream you could keep it, now you can't unless the creek is completely on private property wherever is found.

You can legally dive on the wreak leases, just can't legally keep anything found unless you are working for the lease holder, and can't dive with detector at all unless working for lease owner.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

After further research I found that the state of Florida first started issuing salvage permits in 1932 allowing people to search for and recover materials from Spanish wreck sites, so the State of Florida permits/leases program dates back to 1932.

 

[ROBOTCOP13]

Anyone interested in the history of salvage on the 1715 fleet would enjoy the books by Terry Armstrong: "The Rainbow Chasers" or the more recent edition "Old Treasure, New Blood".

They include the significant finds such as the gold glove tray by Alex Kuze, the single largest gold object found on the 1715 fleet.