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[TerryC]

NF, I have to take issue with your post #52. The Civil War was NOT about slavery. The Civil War was fought to PRESERVE THE UNION. The slavery issue, as Coilygirl alluded to, was a strategy to get the Afro-Americans (slaves) to revolt in the south, disrupting the farming society of the south which depended heavily on slave labor. Yes, the slavery issue became a big part of the war, but even in the north, blacks were not integrated into regular military units till sometime during the second world war. The first ammendment quarantees an individual's right to fly the stars and bars without persecution. You forget that YOU first called the stars and bars in the fellow's avatar as a controversial symbol, which only shows your predisposition to controversy. TTC

 

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[lookindown]

lookindown to save you some time, here is the paragraph in context.

As i said, my reference to flying the flag means other places to convey messages. The term "flying the flag" is a figure of speech. it's not a telling anyone where they can fly their flags. This paragraph goes to the original post of using avatars to convey political messages. Which some are doing here. It has nothing to do with the Confederate flag.

And BTW, I grew up in the South too.

By telling him there are other places to fly the flag, whether it was a figure of speech or not, shows that you dont think he should have that flag as his avatar and you are wrong...keep working on your damage control...Im not buying it yet.

 

[kuger]

.....what about the American flag that was flown over the slaughtered Native People women and children?Should offense be taken for displaying our flag?

 

[kuger]

.....what about the American flag that was flown over the slaughtered Native People women and children?Should offense be taken for displaying our flag?

....also...I might add my family(grandfathers side) owned slaves and they were free to stay when my people came west.....they chose to follow,and they were given their own property on the original homestead

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Is this a treasure forum or a political forum?
I am all for alternate discussions, but to be honest I am quickly growing tired of the second amendment debate happening here.
Are there any other treasure hunting forums without all the political rhetoric?
--Doodle Bug

Eventually they will get to a clause or ammendmet you do care about; and if we haven't protected what we could the rest will fall quietly.

Episcopal? Why do we need that when we have Catholic already? Make it illegal.

We shouldn't really allow more than 100 people at an event for safety. Make it illegal.

You don't really need a grand jury to accuse someone of a crime. Arrest them and figure it out a few years from now. And we don't necessarily have to let you know who accused you of what crime, do we? I didn't think so.

 

[Native Floridian]

NF, I have to take issue with your post #52. The Civil War was NOT about slavery. The Civil War was fought to PRESERVE THE UNION. The slavery issue, as Coilygirl alluded to, was a strategy to get the Afro-Americans (slaves) to revolt in the south, disrupting the farming society of the south which depended heavily on slave labor. Yes, the slavery issue became a big part of the war, but even in the north, blacks were not integrated into regular military units till sometime during the second world war. The first ammendment quarantees an individual's right to fly the stars and bars without persecution. You forget that YOU first called the stars and bars in the fellow's avatar as a controversial symbol, which only shows your predisposition to controversy. TTC

You might want to look up the Cornerstone Speech delivered by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens. It outlines the differences between the Constitutions of the United States and the Confederate Republic. In that speech Stephens clearly names slavery the primary difference and defends it.

"Our government is founded on exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. "

This speech stated that African slavery was the immediate cause of secession.

This speech was given a week or two before the first shots were fired. So, the Civil war may not have been about slavery to you and whoever taught you it wasn't, but to the number two guy in charge of the Confederacy, it was clearly about slavery. You do what you want, I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm going with Stephens.


As for MY stating that the confederate flag is a controversial symbol, only stating the obvious. The sky is blue. There is no predisposition to the facts.

 

[homestead-hunter]

Oh, i got the message loud and clear. But only because you explained it. Which goes to my point, why use an avatar that can send a mixed message on a hobby forum?

Interesting that you believe i must be African American to say what i have about your Avatar. What? Only a black person would say that the battle flag is a controversial symbol?

As for Florida, born and raised there. Thus the screen name Native Floridian. Lived on a ranch in SW Florida with a bunch of Crackers!!! (look it up before you make another wrong assumption)

BTW, I didn't pick your avatar out, you asked my opinion.

who cares what your avatar looks like, if it offends you dont look, its that easy. If something offends me I dont sit and stare at it or talk about it or divulge in it, I just pass right on by. If people are that easily offended, thats their problem.

 

[lookindown]

.....what about the American flag that was flown over the slaughtered Native People women and children?Should offense be taken for displaying our flag?

What was done to the Native American Indians is a tragedy. Took the whole country from them. They understasnd that we are not like that now. Looking back at our actions of the past, maybe we are getting better, Their might be hope for us after all...Ive gave my opinion on flyng the rebel flag...Ive never flew one but I would never tell someone they shouldnt...Im moving on, good luck everyone.

 

[mical66]

i have said this for years , " we are the nation of the easily offended "
the flag is a symbol or tool and the purpose or the meaning is 100% up to the individual .
whereas i was born and grew up in florida and even wore the " rebel flag " on my shirt and or hat most my teen life i grew to realize most people see it as a symbol of hate ,and even though i did not and still do not i have never wore it again because of that , i am too worried about offending some one and is not worth my time arguing the case with people day to day .

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The average soldier fighting for the south own no slaves, he was fighting for states rights, he was fighting because hostile troops were on their land he was fighting for Dixie...

The South knew slavery was going to end, their objection was Federal Government trampling on states rights. Lincoln did not want to end slavery, he offered a deal to south to keep slavery and return to union, Lincoln and congress offered constitutional amendment guaranteeing slavery forever if Southern states return to the Union. If war was fought over slavery they would have taken the deal......look it up.

My great great grand father fought for the south and never own a single slave, no one in his family own any, they were poor sharecroppers, he fought for the land and life he loved and because he didn't want Government politicians (Yankees) telling him how they could live..

War was over state rights......

 

[Native Floridian]

By telling him there are other places to fly the flag, whether it was a figure of speech or not, shows that you dont think he should have that flag as his avatar and you are wrong...keep working on your damage control...Im not buying it yet.

I'm trying to be polite, but seriously? I even took the time to carefully explain this to you. Look up "Metaphor" and get back to me.

Actions speak louder than words. For a Southerner who doesn't care about the controversy your short and curlys are wadded in to a pretty tight knot over what i've posted here.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I'm trying to be polite, but seriously? I even took the time to carefully explain this to you. Look up "Metaphor" and get back to me.

Actions speak louder than words. For a Southerner who doesn't care about the controversy your short and curlys are wadded in to a pretty tight knot over what i've posted here.

This thread is over. There is NOTHING offensive in his avatar, several moderators have already stated it is acceptable here....

Thread is locked.