Forrest Fenn s treasure

[Ronzie]

I thought that was quite humorous.
Just saying that if anyone asked the question you wanted asked at the talk in Taos the other day, laughter would fill the room.
I might not be a total disbeliever as if I ever entered a church I could just burn. I admit that I eat sole. Very, very tasty...whooooaaaa

 

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[jayackam]

I thought that was quite humorous.
Just saying that if anyone asked the question you wanted asked at the talk in Taos the other day, laughter would fill the room.
I might not be a total disbeliever as if I ever entered a church I could just burn. I admit that I eat sole. Very, very tasty...whooooaaaa

I was not asking or expecting anyone to ask the question in their name. I was fully expecting for them to say" hey there is this crazy guy out there who wants to know..."
I have been called worse, but I can guarantee you, that sooner or later you will ALL realize what I was talking about, and that I was right while you were calling me names.
But hey, world is like a car, without the shock absorbers it woul fall appart quickly.

So keep back pedaling, and when you reach the beginning you can start again, this time you might see it differently and just might be surprised what you have missed along the path

 

[Ronzie]

I'm not a religious person at all but am a spiritual person in the sense. I don't believe in good or evil (God or Satan) on a higher plain. Good and evil live in every one of us.
I've even studied religion for 3 years because I find it fascinating. I considered myself agnostic for many years before I realized I was actually an atheist.
I even consider most atheists to be a-holes. To me being an atheist isn't trying to prove god doesn't exist or put down religious people. I think and laugh at any atheist group because those types are haters and just are there to cause trouble.
I have found my path through martial arts and was very fortunate to join a dojo where the Sensei was very spiritual and deep into the traditional ways. Over years and getting to the higher levels it's mostly an open mindedness.
To me faith is the best part of religion. To me someone who has a strong faith is a strong person. With that mindset they can over come many obstacles that come along throughout their life. The only difference is I don't look at faith as a foundation to God. Faith to me is a positive mental attitude.

So when it comes to this treasure I do not believe in curses, taking someone's soul or some evil demon or whatever. One evil with this treasure is greed in the hands of a weak minded person.

 

[bliss444]

I was not asking or expecting anyone to ask the question in their name. I was fully expecting for them to say" hey there is this crazy guy out there who wants to know..."
I have been called worse, but I can guarantee you, that sooner or later you will ALL realize what I was talking about, and that I was right while you were calling me names.
But hey, world is like a car, without the shock absorbers it woul fall appart quickly.

So keep back pedaling, and when you reach the beginning you can start again, this time you might see it differently and just might be surprised what you have missed along the path

I misunderstood your request/challenge for people in person. You seem passionate with this subject...Let's assume that you are absolutely correct with your theory...You clearly recognize the difference between good and evil... Why would someone that is practicing evil feel compelled to suddenly tell the truth and be honest about something, when questioned? Truth is the antithesis of evil!

Sorry nvradar, I'm not trying to get anyone started. In scanning this forum it appears I may be able to end it.

And Ronzie, Martial Arts are a great discipline. Muay thai training is my favorite, I worked out in an old gym in Houston and loved it. I think Taekwondo is a great discipline for kids too. There is truth to the spiritual aspect where people may feel something and live with goodness. That something they can't quite recognize is Jesus Christ. All they need to do is open their hearts to Jesus Christ and they will find the truth.

 

[jayackam]

I misunderstood your request/challenge for people in person. You seem passionate with this subject...Let's assume that you are absolutely correct with your theory...You clearly recognize the difference between good and evil... Why would someone that is practicing evil feel compelled to suddenly tell the truth and be honest about something, when questioned? Truth is the antithesis of evil!

Sorry nvradar, I'm not trying to get anyone started. In scanning this forum it appears I may be able to end it.

He understands the limits, and that is the only thing he has left. He is not practicing evil of his own free will - he has no choice, but he is still part human. If he would lie, the judgement of the Holy Spirit would fall upon him, and he knows that. That is not say that he would not try to wiggle out, but to most it would be obvious. As I have stated before, they are still trying to help humanity by passing the message through to us pass their captor, to recognize the real treat, even as they must corrupt others.

 

[bliss444]

He understands the limits, and that is the only thing he has left. He is not practicing evil of his own free will - he has no choice, but he is still part human. If he would lie, the judgement of the Holy Spirit would fall upon him, and he knows that. That is not say that he would not try to wiggle out, but to most it would be obvious. As I have stated before, they are still trying to help humanity by passing the message through to us pass their captor, to recognize the real treat, even as they must corrupt others.

You're saying in other words he's Possessed. He has much much more than understanding the limits. As far as Free Will is concerned-A person can always repent of the pact whenever he wants to with a simple act of the will. Upon repenting, the pact they made remains as ink on paper, no matter what the terms of the deal were. Even if the possibility of repentance was excluded in the pact, such a clause is useless. God has given us the freedom to do as we want; we CANNOT Renounce this Gift!

The great destructive power of a demonic pact is that the person may think he is condemned no matter what he does. It is difficult for him to see that he is still as free as before to repent and revoke the pact he has made, returning wholeheartedly to God.

He could go visit a Catholic Exorcist and cast out Satan. When someone possessed receives an exorcism, it takes a reasonable amount of time for him or her to be liberated. A number of sessions are required. The devil resists because he knows he is condemned to leave.

 

[jayackam]

Blis444
I hear what you are saying and I fully agree, but I do not think that we completely understand their condition or situation. From my understanding, there is actually a modification of their DNA to accommodate the host, the external emotional and sensory aspects of the persons are taken over and control by the host, the soul is imprisoned etc.... I know they found a way to pass the messages pass their host to us, to warn us of what is coming - even as they continue to commit evil acts. But no one can hear or see that as far as I know of. I am positive tha church does not see it, or they would take at least some minimal actions. My eyes were opened, and I was shown many things, but very few will believe when it is shown to them, because of their own fear and their minds' quick rationalization. I have tried different avenues, but the stuff is so insane for a normal person to comprehend, that it is simply dismissed as imagination or total quackery, even though I have supporting evidence if one was willing to listen and review it. I have spoken about the world turning dark , for the last 15 years, and my friends who heard me can see it now, but still, everybody just goes on the same way....

 

[bliss444]

Blis444
I hear what you are saying and I fully agree, but I do not think that we completely understand their condition or situation. From my understanding, there is actually a modification of their DNA to accommodate the host, the external emotional and sensory aspects of the persons are taken over and control by the host, the soul is imprisoned etc.... I know they found a way to pass the messages pass their host to us, to warn us of what is coming - even as they continue to commit evil acts. But no one can hear or see that as far as I know of. I am positive tha church does not see it, or they would take at least some minimal actions. My eyes were opened, and I was shown many things, but very few will believe when it is shown to them, because of their own fear and their minds' quick rationalization. I have tried different avenues, but the stuff is so insane for a normal person to comprehend, that it is simply dismissed as imagination or total quackery, even though I have supporting evidence if one was willing to listen and review it. I have spoken about the world turning dark , for the last 15 years, and my friends who heard me can see it now, but still, everybody just goes on the same way....[/QUOTT

I agree that the times are much darker throughout the world. The worldly attempt to remove God and the attack on Christians is evident. As far as DNA modification belief-that's just another degree in the selling of the soul belief. These people think that they are condemned. They despair of their salvation and that is the reason that it's so dangerous to sell the soul because you will be perfectly convinced that you are condemned. But in reality you are not condemned, at confession you can destroy everything but it's not so easy to convince the people that were in satanic cults.

 

[jeff of pa]

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[bliss444]

Ok, Jeff of pa. Treasure talk only.

Jay, everything in the poem seems self explanatory, except for the blaze. What out in the wilderness represents the blaze? Some people say waterfall, some say cave, some think possibly in some sort of storage unit in the ground.

 

[markmar]

Ok, Jeff of pa. Treasure talk only.

Jay, everything in the poem seems self explanatory, except for the blaze. What out in the wilderness represents the blaze? Some people say waterfall, some say cave, some think possibly in some sort of storage unit in the ground.

bliss444

In some posts before we have write about the blaze . I wrote how could be the reflexion of the sun in a lake . The Santa Fe lake .

 

[ousooner82]

a bright flame or fire: the welcome blaze of the hearth.
a bright, hot gleam or glow: the blaze of day.
a sparkling brightness: a blaze of jewels.

From reading the poem numerous times I feel "the blaze" IS the chest itself. But the other 2 choices could surely apply.

 

[markmar]

a bright flame or fire: the welcome blaze of the hearth.
a bright, hot gleam or glow: the blaze of day.
a sparkling brightness: a blaze of jewels.

From reading the poem numerous times I feel "the blaze" IS the chest itself. But the other 2 choices could surely apply.

ousooner82

Your remark is possible , but maybe the wooden chest is closed and can't give a blaze .

 

[ousooner82]

Haven't you guys heard the expression,"blazing a trail"? The blaze is usually a chunk chopped out of a tree. Frank...<img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=896946"/>

Sure we've heard that, and it is very likely the meaning but was trying to look at all possibilities since someone asked.

 

[dugit]

I think the blaze could be in the poem it's self.

Dugit

 

[jayackam]

Ok, Jeff of pa. Treasure talk only.

Jay, everything in the poem seems self explanatory, except for the blaze. What out in the wilderness represents the blaze? Some people say waterfall, some say cave, some think possibly in some sort of storage unit in the ground.

You do not actually expect me to tell you. All I can tell you is, that if you do not know what the blaze is - you are looking in the wrong place. But there are multiple layers/meanings to the poem and there are multiple blazes. When you know your blazes, you will know that, that is the place and also you would understand at least part of the 2nd layer. You would also know, that I was right about the danger. But why would you even look!

And the meaning of the word multiple, interestingly enough, was discussed by Fenn at Taos.

 

[bliss444]

You do not actually expect me to tell you. All I can tell you is, that if you do not know what the blaze is - you are looking in the wrong place. But there are multiple layers/meanings to the poem and there are multiple blazes. When you know your blazes, you will know that, that is the place and also you would understand at least part of the 2nd layer. You would also know, that I was right about the danger. But why would you even look!

And the meaning of the word multiple, interestingly enough, was discussed by Fenn at Taos.

Of course I don't expect you to tell me where you believe the blaze is located. I was asking you what you thought the physical part of the blaze is? For example if you said you believe it's behind a waterfall, that would not be telling me where it is. Who knows how many waterfalls are in the mountains north of Santa Fe? You recently said you would unlock the entire poem to the guy who asks Mr. Fenn whether this is some soul selling search. I didn't think asking for your definition of the actual physical blaze is much to ask for. I gathered that you believe the word blaze has different layers to it. The layer I was asking about is the layer in the wilderness. If what you say is accurate, than the deeper layer of the word blaze would mean basically that if the searcher was not wise(not willing to sell his soul) than he would not learn the deeper layer in turn not learn the physical layer. And if that's the case, this so-called public challenge is no 'battle of the minds' hunt. To answer your question, I was interested in the chase because I trusted that Mr. Fenn was offering a public challenge. I know a ton of people believe that it's not out there and he's doing this for entertainment and other reasons. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and I was hoping he was a man of integrity.

 

[nvradar]

Hoping he has integrity C'mon bliss. Have you not read a thing of this man?

 

[jayackam]

this is a type of brave he is looking for:

 

[nvradar]

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