Enemies Foreign and Domestic

[Red James Cash]

11 words! We are not worthy

Thats right youre not and never will be.Anybody with any amount of smarts knows what the fifth column is.Why explain what something is to people who already know,using common sense is required but that is lacking to quite a few in here.

 

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[0121stockpicker]

Thats right youre not and never will be.Anybody with any amount of smarts knows what the fifth column is.Why explain what something is to people who already know,using common sense is required but that is lacking to quite a few in here.

Red if you believe a fifth column is truly a threat how would we protect against it?

1 gun registration, control, banning. do you want that fifth column to be well armed to takeover our country

2 patriot act etc. obviously we would need to be doing significant amount of spying on our own population to find the fifth column members?

Personally I don't believe in a fifth column of foreign national sympathizers but it is an intriguing possibility. Frankly I think fear of such a possibility and the steps that would be taken to stop such a group could cause far more damage than prevent. Bedt

 

[Rebel - KGC]

How can one invade if one is already here?

A ZEN QUESTION!!!

 

[Red James Cash]

I didnt say that I believed that there was a 5th column here but, theres always a possibility.Many things are possible,probable so I dont discount anything now a days.You would never know that they were here until the specified time arrived.

 

[CoinFetcher]

As a young man, I can tell something is fishy.

 

[Infowarrior]

I'm thrilled that our military is spending billions on both offensive and defensive cyberwarfare it saved countless if American and or Israelis lives and probably averted a war using stuxnet to hamper Iran nuke program. A great use of technology. I don't think this had anything to do with Obama the military has been involved since computer networks have been used. Not sure why you would see that as being something wrong.

See this where I have a problem... Thinking its ok for team america world police, to purposefully destroy another nations computer systems...

Its not like they even admitted they did stuxnet, they denied it until it was proven it was the US... But thats good too right? Lies, deception, greed... those are all good morals in the land of the free right?

What if another nation decided to destroy our computers becuase they thought it was for good as well? I would be willing to bet you would be one of the first in line to complain about it... Who made us so great to tell the rest of the world how to live... Who gave us the power to wield nuclear weapons? Oh yeah we did it ourselves, then tell others what they can or cant do... Which I believe is the definition of Tyranny

 

[0121stockpicker]

I didnt say that I believed that there was a 5th column here but, theres always a possibility.Many things are possible,probable so I dont discount anything now a days.You would never know that they were here until the specified time arrived.

I get that so if you were in a military or government position of power and had the responsibility to prevent this what steps would you take ?

 

[0121stockpicker]

See this where I have a problem... Thinking its ok for team america world police, to purposefully destroy another nations computer systems...

Its not like they even admitted they did stuxnet, they denied it until it was proven it was the US... But thats good too right? Lies, deception, greed... those are all good morals in the land of the free right?

What if another nation decided to destroy our computers becuase they thought it was for good as well? I would be willing to bet you would be one of the first in line to complain about it... Who made us so great to tell the rest of the world how to live... Who gave us the power to wield nuclear weapons? Oh yeah we did it ourselves, then tell others what they can or cant do... Which I believe is the definition of Tyranny

I believe this is the definition of self preservation for better or worse.

See I'm not one if those who is under the illusion that this country occupies some sort of moral highground, etc. I believe one of the primary duties of our government is to protect the country and its people. Should North Korea and Iran and al Qaida have the moral right to nuclear weapons - maybe, I guess. Would I want my government and military to do everything possible to prevent this - hell yes. Including any and all dirty tricks - hell yes.

Killing Taliban and al Qaida leaders anywhere in the entire world using any means - hell yes.

Of course other nations are actively trying to destroy our computer networks and worse!! This is why we also spend boat loads of money on defensive measures. Hey I wish it was a perfect world run by high morals but in the end most people are rotten and evil!!

 

[worldtalker]

I get that so if you were in a military or government position of power and had the responsibility to prevent this what steps would you take ?

You should change your name to nitpicker,fits your personality rather well.You weren't born this way,what happened to the common sense you were born with man,I mean that without malice too.

 

[Red James Cash]

Theres nothing that can really be done about it.A true 5th column is virtually invisible until the time to act arrives.Hitlers 5th column in Norway was run by Norways former defense minister.Think about it,if ones own countries government is in all actuality a 5th column.

 

[Gold Maven]

A good friend of mine has a niece in the military, she is an officer and has been for quite awhile.

He said she came home at Christmas, and told him the US is gearing up for another war that will happen before July.

He told me all the particulars, but I can't even remember the country, I do remember he believed her.

 

[worldtalker]

A good friend of mine has a niece in the military, she is an officer and has been for quite awhile.

He said she came home at Christmas, and told him the US is gearing up for another war that will happen before July.

He told me all the particulars, but I can't even remember the country, I do remember he believed her.

Could be Mali.

 

[0121stockpicker]

You should change your name to nitpicker,fits your personality rather well.You weren't born this way,what happened to the common sense you were born with man,I mean that without malice too.

I have no idea what you are talking about? Was a question to red which he responded to below? Sorry if you felt left out or insulted in any way - it was not intended.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Theres nothing that can really be done about it.A true 5th column is virtually invisible until the time to act arrives.Hitlers 5th column in Norway was run by Norways former defense minister.Think about it,if ones own countries government is in all actuality a 5th column.

Then you wouldn't need a fifth column, they would have just taken over. But certainly history is filled with examples of high level gov official being traitors. Matter of fact the US gov supported their fair share if fifth columns!! Why sacrifice your own troops when you can get others to do the fighting got you!!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Could be Mali.

Prob only if he was special forces. I think we will leave the combat troop part to the French. Another great theater to use drone in though. Keep the terrorists on the run without the risk of US lives.

 

[Infowarrior]

You do know its on record the US funded the taliban, and al qaida right? They still fund them to this day...

Its no wonder how they can fight the largest military presence on the world, its cause they have us on their side

Hitler also tried to protect his country...

Seriously, where is this safety tactic going to lead or end? Once we are all safe and locked up in prisons, where big brother can watch over you all day and keep you safe?

I am reminded of a quote from one of our founders

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

 

[0121stockpicker]

You do know its on record the US funded the taliban, and al qaida right? They still fund them to this day...

Its no wonder how they can fight the largest military presence on the world, its cause they have us on their side

Hitler also tried to protect his country...

Seriously, where is this safety tactic going to lead or end? Once we are all safe and locked up in prisons, where big brother can watch over you all day and keep you safe?

I am reminded of a quote from one of our founders

Of course they were quite useful in defeating the soviets in Afghanistan which was one of the major causes of the soviet collapse and the lowering of the iron curtain. And

 

[0121stockpicker]

Of course they were quite useful in defeating the soviets in Afghanistan which was one of the major causes of the soviet collapse and the lowering of the iron curtain. And

And we saved the soviets from hitler only to turn around and fight the Cold War with them. This of course has been going on as long as there have been wars. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!!

Sometimes it's not that the gov/military was stupid but that they were choosing a lessor of evils. Could you imagine having to choose between nazi germany and Stalin - definitely no right answer.

 

[Infowarrior]

Ok fine, you are talking about 30 years ago, I am talking about right now, today, yesterday, last year, years ago, and the future...

And you only acknowledged 1 small point I made...

The truth is, we are losing freedoms left and right in the name of safety and security, and I for one am sick of it...

 

[0121stockpicker]

Ok fine, you are talking about 30 years ago, I am talking about right now, today, yesterday, last year, years ago, and the future...

And you only acknowledged 1 small point I made...

The truth is, we are losing freedoms left and right in the name of safety and security, and I for one am sick of it...

Can't disagree and it's always done under the fear of war or attach. It's been a lot worse though the great Lincoln suspended habeas corpus and during WWII we did round up US citizens and put them into detention camps and basically completely abolished freedom of the press among many other things. Never mind the McCarthy red scare era. Any free society always walks a fine line in keeping that society free, yet safe. I think this country actually does a pretty good job between freedoms and safety/security. Not sure if anyone else has done too much better of a job. All just my humble opinion.