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[divewrecks]

You are right Hfor8. They are identical.

Maybe that is the original that all the fakes were copied from.

The guy had a good feedback rating, Maybe he didn't know it was fake.

Stan

 

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[Hangingfor8]

lol, great point(s) I notice he didn't relist it yet either. I almost bid on it and then I read the post here about it being a 53 and not the other date. Then I went back through Sedwicks and notice it had a close friend. I think I might avoid it now. It's a great copy if it is a fake.

 

[divewrecks]

Frank Sedwick's fake cob database coin (first pic), followed by two views of an Ebay fake currentlty being offered (see link). Note change in date and assayer.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pirates-Spanish-8-Reale-Silver-Cob-Coin_W0QQitemZ150375522649

Stan

 

[Hangingfor8]

Good eye... they're getting sneaky on us

 

[divewrecks]

Yeah, check this one out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270486682115

Another version of the same fake. The bidder should know better than buying a cob from China!

Stan

 

[divewrecks]

Would be nice with a date between the pillars too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1669-Potosi-Cob-8-Real-Lovely-Coin-Clear-dates_W0QQitemZ140360885779


Same seller has another fairly nice one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1689-Potosi-Cob-8-Real-Lovely-Coin_W0QQitemZ140360883470


I like this coin. 1684 Potosi 8R assayer VR. Bold strike, nice toning and full weight. You seldom see coins from the Feversham wreck. A little high on the price side, but after seeing prices realized at the Sedwick auction I think it is reasonable. Would make a nice addition to anyone's collection....

http://cgi.ebay.com/PERU-8-REAL-COB-COIN-HMS-FEVERSHAM-WRECK-1684-1711-XF_W0QQitemZ330356954690

Stan

 

[divewrecks]

Sorry fantasy piece sitting at $103 with three bids and three hours to go....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130345049488

I wrote the buyer about authenticity and he wrote back that he could not retract the auction and that the buyer could return it if they weren't happy....

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Sorry fantasy piece sitting at $103 with three bids and three hours to go....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130345049488

I wrote the buyer about authenticity and he wrote back that he could not retract the auction and that the buyer could return it if they weren't happy....

Stan

OMG sold at $162.50 with 5 different bidders! How can that be? It sure looks fake to me. I saved the entire page for future reference, Mexican seller, buyer and pics.


Seller info
ayleenalejandraevelyn ( 1456)
100% Positive feedback


COINS COLONIAL OF MÉXICO

CIRCULATED

8 REALES YEAR 1616, FELIPE III

COIN COLONIAL NOT LISTED IN THE CATALOG COINS & PRICES (18th EDITION)


Thanks for your bids and hope you are a winner !!!!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I decided to search through my collection of fakes, replicas and fantasy, and sure enough, I got a match from the same mold. The buyers and seller should have checked with us first LOL.

 

[divewrecks]

Good job Big C!

Since I still had the seller's response to me I wrote him back and included your pics.

I'll let you know how he answers to the charges.... :P

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Considering his excellent 100 percent positive feedback rating in 1,456 sales, my guess would be he didnt know. That probably contributed to the buyers bidding with confidence.

I notice my pic also came from a past eBay sale. (notice the camera icon in the bottom right corner) I dont know the sellers name.

 

[divewrecks]

Considering his excellent 100 percent positive feedback rating in 1,456 sales, my guess would be he didnt know. That probably contributed to the buyers bidding with confidence.

I notice my pic also came from a past eBay sale. (notice the camera icon in the bottom right corner) I dont know the sellers name.

Well, his English must not be much better than my Spanish. In my follow-up to him I wrote:

"Here is proof the one you sold is fake. It was cast from the same mold as yours. Will you inform the seller? Selling a replica coin as real is against Ebay rules (and against the law, at least in the US)."

And he wrote back:

MR. STAN
I thank you the information and images.
THIS WARN YOU.
SINCERELY
GMG (gmgrifaldo@hotmail.com)


I'm not sure what he was trying to say....Stan






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: divewrecks@hotmail.com
To: gmgrifaldo@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: You've received an answer to your question about item MÉXICO) 8 REALES 1616, FELIPE III, NOT CATALOG, F - VF
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:17:25 -0500

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I dont know what he means. Maybe he says thanks for the warning. I believe he will refund the money if necessary. I also believe if the buyer is happy, he will not say anything. Maybe we can read the buyers feedback.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

SOLD $162.50! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130345049488

I cant find the feedback for this item. This sellers record is excellent.. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...alejandraevelyn&ftab=AllFeedback&myworld=true

 

[divewrecks]

I bought this one for myself. I couldn't resist and the only buying option was buy-it-now. Four dates! I really like the double-strike....
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIRATES-TREASURE-1698-ASSAYER-F-8-REALES-POTOSI_W0QQitemZ110468209098

Cool little pierced one reale for a charm bracelet:
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIRATES-TREASURE-1675-ASSAYER-E-1-REALE-HOLED_W0QQitemZ110468188037....

Or an older 2 reale starting at $24.99....
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIRATES-TREASURE-2-REALES-HOLED_W0QQitemZ110468177256

How about this little smoothie....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bolivia-Silver-cob-2-Reales-1767-KM-43_W0QQitemZ200416137538

Not a bad Mexican 4 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1657-Mexico-Spanish-Colonial-Silver-4-Reales-Cob-Coin_W0QQitemZ110467896690

Coin isn't great and neither is the chain <g>, but the setting is different:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Potosi-1738-cob-2-reale-coin-pendant-18K-solid-gold-11g_W0QQitemZ380186244359

Not bad for a Concepcion coin, Burt Webber signed cert, might be a good deal if it doesn't go too high....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1639-8-Reale-Xtra-Fine-from-1641-Shipwreck-Concepcion_W0QQitemZ350290700355

This sucker is a little too round....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1712-2-Reales-Phillip-V-Bolivia-Silver_W0QQitemZ290379153160

Not bad little replicas for $11. Good little Christmas gift for a pirate's stocking....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Pewter-ATOCHA-replica-coins-8-4-2-REALES_W0QQitemZ120503545389

Nice Capitana coin. The seller, Joel Ruth, was the head coin conservator on the Capitana treasure recovery...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Potosi-8-Reales-1654-Capitana_W0QQitemZ160385390665


Enjoy....

Stan

 

[divewrecks]

1618 mounted Grade 1 Atocha coin. The cert doesn't even indicate a date (XXXX) Cert indicates weight at 26.28g, which is pretty respectable for an Atocha coin. This might end up being a decent buy for someone looking for an Atocha coin:
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-ATOCHA-SHIPWRECK-PIRATE-COIN-WITH-CERTIFICATE_W0QQitemZ260521723760

Not one of the cave hoard coins, but same general mint, year, and assayer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPANISH-MEXICO-8-Reales-COB-COIN-REAL-BATU-1729-30-R_W0QQitemZ200412657330

Assayer J, so could pass as a 1715 Fleet coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPANISH-MEXICO-4-Reales-COB-COIN-REAL-BATU_W0QQitemZ370299658495

The Lucayan beach wreck is thought to be one of Dutch pirate Piet Hien's ships. Read story of wreck here (http://www.sedwickcoins.com/shipwreck_histories/lucayan.htm). Also, a funny read on the find is "Winners and Losers" by Jack Slack (serious). Here is a 4 reale coin from the wreck:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CITY-COB-4-REALES-SILVER-SHIP-WRECK-COIN-162-4_W0QQitemZ250546391661

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bolivia-Silver-cob-2-Reales-1767-KM-43_W0QQitemZ200416137538
I saved pics of all the suspicious cobs. Thanks Stan.
Do you think this smoothie is authentic? Looks funky.

 

[divewrecks]

I actually posted that one knowing you would probably say something about it (ha-ha), but yes I am fairly certain it is real. A lot of the late issue Potosi cobs really look hokey enough to make you think imitation. If you have Menzels' book have a look at coins from about 1740 on up. I personally like the "free style" look...

Stan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I actually posted that one knowing you would probably say something about it (ha-ha), but yes I am fairly certain it is real. A lot of the late issue Potosi cobs really look hokey enough to make you think imitation. If you have Menzels' book have a look at coins from about 1740 on up. I personally like the "free style" look...

Stan

OK thanks. Im learning. I could see that it was silver but the lions and castles look funky among other things. Like I said earlier, the more I learn about cobs, the less confidant I am in spotting suspicious coins. lol. I also notice a severely worn coin will not look at all like it was originally.

 

[divewrecks]

There is really no substitute for reference materials and the ability to openly discuss characteristics of individual coins. Hopefully we can do more of that on this forum. I track auctions almost daily to develop a sense of value. I have also enjoyed sitting through the last two Sedwick auctions nearly in their entirety to see what prices are realized. Prior to the auction I use the hard copy catalog to reserach particular coins and make notes. I was quite surprised at what some of the coins were going for.

I have actually been able to get some fairly good deals on very nice coins through Ebay. Obviously, one has to be careful when learning and not make a mistake like the buyer of the heart shaped coin I posted the thread on today....

Stan