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My serving didn't have and never would have a ------ thing to do with Geneva Contention or any other international body like UN. I serve my country...

Do what ever it takes to keep Americans safe period... You have Muslim terrorists with a dirty bomb somewhere in America that is going to be detonated in 24 hours and we have captured one suspect who has info I can care less if they skin him alive with a knife and rub salt in the bare meat........
 

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Under those circumstances TH I'd agree with you. I still believe I'm right though, had we not for decades been over the pond pushing democracy and our ideals on others them terrorists would have just kept on bombing whoever it was before us. If I'm wrong which I could be, I really wish the truth was out there somewhere to read, other than what's in history books because we all know you can't always trust what you read.
That's all I can muster, because I haven't earned the respect to voice my opinion since I never served. That's something I know about since almost everyone in my family has served.
I've said it on here many times before but I'll say it again. I cannot put into words how much I appreciate those who have served or will past, present and future, God bless you.

Mike
 

one problem with that scenario TH. How would you know the guy you're torturing isn't just spouting off because torture hurts so bad?

Your country's military uses the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions as it's guidelines. Torture is against both and you can look that up in either one.

You can read the Senate report at your leisure but could you tell me what rectal feeding is?
 

davest said:
one problem with that scenario TH. How would you know the guy you're torturing isn't just spouting off because torture hurts so bad?

Your country's military uses the UCMJ and the Geneva Conventions as it's guidelines. Torture is against both and you can look that up in either one.

You can read the Senate report at your leisure but could you tell me what rectal feeding is?
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Davest I'm well aware of the UCMJ, I'm a vet and I stand by what I said..
 

BC1969 said:
I am curious though, why was it our responsibility to train those men to fight the Russians to stop them from invading a country that has absolutely nothing to do with ours on the other side of the planet.

Please explain that.
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Your not old enough to have seen it! We tried isolationism before WWII, see what happened. We came close to speeking Japanese, or German. Frank five star.png111-2 de Vinci.jpg
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
My serving didn't have and never would have a ------ thing to do with Geneva Contention or any other international body like UN. I serve my country...

Do what ever it takes to keep Americans safe period... You have Muslim terrorists with a dirty bomb somewhere in America that is going to be detonated in 24 hours and we have captured one suspect who has info I can care less if they skin him alive with a knife and rub salt in the bare meat........
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AMEN.... PERIOD!!!! The United States of America founders broke away from suppression and absolute rule and set up a republic. Then after that happened and capitalism took root we became leaders of the FREE WORLD quickly with our "model". NOBODY from the U.S. wants or TRIED to invoke our values onto other nations. But when people's from other nations stand up to their Government and want their freedom then the U.S. is front and center.

And when other Nations support groups who want to ATTACK our way of life and take American lives then by all means use WHATEVER resources necessary to protect my neighbor let alone my family. When groups are beheading women, children and men... holding folks hostage for ransom and/or terrorizing people around them then those who think this has nothing to do with "us" is sadly mistaken. There HERE.... changing our laws, schools and our way of life.

I'd NEVER harm another on purpose but... IF... I knew an individual had information to avert further deaths... GOD BLESS THEIR SOUL.... !!!!
 

Torture certainly worked for the Nazi's and **** because we hung a boatload of them after the war for War Crimes like waterboarding, sleep deprivation, cold treatment, murder, and all the other stuff they did. So, yeah, fits right in with where our country has fallen to, on with the torture and lets go ahead and drag out some rope and get ready for the finale
 

Apparently I need to read more, so they hate us ONLY because of our freedoms ? I just can't wrap my mind around that.

Digiron2, no after I realized what the title of frankn's post was about, him having served, I retracted my comment since I did NOT serve I'm not really entitled to voice my opinion on the subject. That and I have much respect for Frankn. I felt as if I was being disrespectful so I retracted my comments.

Mike
 

BC1969 said:
Apparently I need to read more, so they hate us ONLY because of our freedoms ? I just can't wrap my mind around that.

Digiron2, no after I realized what the title of frankn's post was about, him having served, I retracted my comment since I did NOT serve I'm not really entitled to voice my opinion on the subject. That and I have much respect for Frankn. I felt as if I was being disrespectful so I retracted my comments.

Mike
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I figured it was something like that,I was just messin!Good to see Frankn on here again.I have nothing to say on the subject so I will move along.HH fellas
 

Thread was on the border line politics when it started, let's keep politics out of thread.
 

davest said:
I served, and as ex service personnel, I wouldn't serve again if the country I served for didn't abide by the Geneva Conventions. When the go ahead was given to circumvent those conventions the "moral" authority and the weight it carried flew out the window.

Alot of the radicals were created out of the remainder of the dead wedding parties and funeral processions. One of the biggest radical didn't want a certain countries troops or bases in his holy land. Sometimes the radicals have real reasons for not wanting to be subject.
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You'll have to excuse me if I find your naivete amusing. Little history lesson for you, the Geneva convention and the hague convention are attempts to "civilize" warfare, nothing more. War is brutal as it should be. When the sheer brutality of war was removed, war no longer became a last resort, it became the first resort as people no longer had to deal with that brutality.

When you fight an enemy that will not follow the "civilzed rules of warfare" then they deserve no quarter and are then subject to the same level of brutality that they use.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
My serving didn't have and never would have a ------ thing to do with Geneva Contention or any other international body like UN. I serve my country...

Do what ever it takes to keep Americans safe period... You have Muslim terrorists with a dirty bomb somewhere in America that is going to be detonated in 24 hours and we have captured one suspect who has info I can care less if they skin him alive with a knife and rub salt in the bare meat........
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I can think of more painful things, like pure capsaicin and certain parts of the human body. 16 million scoville will tend to loosen a few lips.
 

ok, you got me. on with the torture but if we're going to actually target people who are against our American way of life and freedom, let's target the bankers. They'd like to see us all slaves to debt and are pushing ahead with more and more ways to take your slice of the American dream.
 

BC1969 said:
Under those circumstances TH I'd agree with you. I still believe I'm right though, had we not for decades been over the pond pushing democracy and our ideals on others them terrorists would have just kept on bombing whoever it was before us. If I'm wrong which I could be, I really wish the truth was out there somewhere to read, other than what's in history books because we all know you can't always trust what you read.
That's all I can muster, because I haven't earned the respect to voice my opinion since I never served. That's something I know about since almost everyone in my family has served.
I've said it on here many times before but I'll say it again. I cannot put into words how much I appreciate those who have served or will past, present and future, God bless you.

Mike
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What you don't understand is these people fought for your right to voice your opinion. Your thoughts, values and opinions are
always welcome here, either popular or not, you are entitled to what you believe. Yes I did serve, never well almost never was
in combat. I set on a starlifter at McChord AFB waiting to drop in on Grenada. We never left the tarmac but we were ready
to go.

Please, don't be afraid to speak your mind, this is America and not Amerika.
 

Oh I understand well enough, I'm pretty much the only one in my family that didn't serve going back multiple generations. Time and time again I've been told, unless you have served, then you cannot have an opinion on the military and its functions.
I look at it like, if you didn't vote, then you cannot complain about the outcome.

Mike
 

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