One thing we have to keep in our minds, how Dick Holmes didn't find the LDM using the clues given by Waltz on his deathbed confession. Didn't find it when there were only few trails in those mountains, trails which for sure have been used by Indians, Army and miners.
The Army would has only one option to get to the Indian's rancherias, and that would been to follow the Indian traces/paths to their camps. So, a Gov/Military Trail was IMO a precedent Indian trail.
And now here rises a good question: Was that Indian round rock ruin in the saddle a part of a previous Indian rancheria? Remember how in Julia's map there is a reference to an Indian camp.
Hello markmar,
There are still clues , bits of stories, even things like Weiser or no … things not yet sorted.
One of the things I wondered about, is how come Waltz would know where the trail to San Carlos was located … ??
The first few directional clues from the Holmes manuscript are not cut and dry.
Discussions about those first few directions have almost caused wars 😆
I was taught that the shallows on the Salt were part of the path of Waltz.
Right or wrong, it was an approach from a logical direction.
2nd water may or may not be near the Waltz path. I figured that maybe it is.
Coming in from that general direction, there are not very many choices …. But Boulder canyon seemed to be a likely candidate for part of the trail to San Carlos. Just before getting to the north end of Black Top Mesa, traveling Southbound in Boulder canyon …. There are a couple places where the trail turns to the south.
I think most Dutch hunters of the past , considered the part of the trail where the Calvary trail cuts over to the (Edit: SE)to be very near the point where the trail turns south is at.
I thought this also. However, there is another spot in South bound Boulder trail, that makes a big bend around and then goes to the south.
I don’t think folk looked very good at that 2nd location, to see about the Rock Man clue.
I found a Rock Man by accident …. Taking pictures.
Going to the left of the trail when you see this rock man, takes you eastward over the east ridge of boulder canyon, on past the rock man, if you follow the along the ridge. And then the saddle is unavoidable.
The saddle ties into the ridge, right at the high point, the same point to look north and see 4-peaks looking like 1-peak.
Clues say if you get to that spot, then the hidden camp is below you.
There are multiple versions of the Holmes Manuscript.
The variations with the directional clues, have to do with 2 items.
The rock man, and the saddle.
One version tells of the rock man (no mention of pick marks), but the saddle had a round Indian ruin of rocks on top.
The other version, talks of pick marks on the rock man, but no mention of the Indian ruin on the saddle.
Now, the view of 4 peaks is just like the clue, and a shallow cave fitting the description of the hidden camp is in the canyon below, also matching the wording of the clues precisely.
Now comes the directional clue to come back out of the canyon, back up to where 4-peaks view is, to get secret instructions.
The other mine, that waltz referred to as “his mine”, is located directly across the canyon from the hidden camp … not more than 200’.
I did not find a round ruin of rocks on the saddle. I also did not go up close to the rock man to see if there were pick marks to make the eye.
Does the round Indian ruin of rocks, or pick marks, make a difference, if the view of 4-peaks looking like one peak is actually there?
How about locating the hidden camp down below …. And a gold deposit directly across of the hidden camp?
The goals are the 2 mines, and the cache on top of the mine across of the hidden camp.
My goal is the cache. If that proves out, then the rest is there.
So markmar, this has already happened, with exception of a sample from the gold deposit, that I think is the cache.
I doubt it will match up to any supposed waltz gold.
Reason is because I think the little match box, and the ring and whatever else is known about, came from under waltz’ deathbed.
The stuff under his bed is from the 2nd little cache (imho) ….. the 2 little caches were most likely from the Peralta mine that the Mexicans were working, when Waltz first showed up.
Guys it’s getting down to the wire. Some questions may finally be answered.
If I have time and strength, I want to also see about the status of the upper mine (Peralta inclined mine shaft) 🤷🏼♂️
Nobody can claim the LDM.
Samples is the only answer that works for most of us, that I see.
(Once the deposit is positively verified) 👍
