double eagle flask...

[weston]

ok guys i know what it is, but i wanna know the value, when, where, and other interesting facts. email me if you can help me thanks. can send pics to email.

weston

 

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[weston]

no its not military. i dont believe. i think from what i've been told its a 1820-1840, american, double eagle flask. im still waiting on daytondiggers post he was gonna try an help me.

 

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[weston]

on classified forum

 

[vayank54]

It isn't miltary but we find a lot of broken flasks similar to that in civil war camps. I agree with several others that is is precivil war and worth at least a couple hundred dollars and maybe a lot more. If you are considering selling it you should wait until you have a good idea of a price range for it. No matter what it's worth it's a cool and hard to find bottle.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

weston -

One additional note that may be of interest to you ...

I saw where you posted this topic in the Tnet Bottles and Glass catagory, and where it was mentioned (along with a photo) that your bottle was "similar" to ones in the Helen McKearin book. I emphasize the word "similar" because anytime an item, whether it be an antique bottle or Civil War button, is not shown in books that are considered to be the ultimate authority on the subject, then often times even the authors of such books will admit that the item is rare (un-documented), thus making it more valuable than similar examples. A case in point are Mt. Dew soda bottles. Back in the 1960's it was common for bottlers to put various names on the bottles, saying they were filled by odd-ball characters like "Daisy Mae" and "Lil Abner" and the like. There are appx. 900 documented variations of these label names, and to this day whenever someone turns up a bottle with a name that's not in the "book" it will sell in the hundreds of dollars. This is not to suggest that your flask is worth a jillion dollars, but only to point out that it "might" be a variation as yet not fully known about or documented.

Best wishes, and I hope you have success in your pursuit of "What the heck is it, and how much is the dang thing worth?" quest.

SDBB

 

[BuckleBoy]

A simple PM to Tnet member Harry Pristis will get you an idea of the bottle's value. And this would also save a lot of wild speculation.

My advice to you is to broaden out and learn all you can about many different areas of collecting: Bottles, Relics, Tokens...and the list goes on. Coins are nice, but the most valuable items I've recovered, found, or dug were not coins--and I have 1000s of coins in my dug collection going back 250 years.


Regards,


Buckles

 

[daytondigger]

Well, I went through my books and auction catalogues and found one or two close, but different. Based on what I saw I would guesstimate it at $250. to $300. Aqua is not the favorite color of collectors, although it is obviously a less common variety. I would think it is 1830's to 1850's, not sure if it was made in New England or possibly Zanesville, OH. In short, it needs an expert to tell more and I'm just an educated amateur. Good luck and great find!!
Steve

 

[Skrimpy]

ok got the scoop from one guy, waiting on the others. first estimate says shes worth $235

ill keep you guys posted!

So Weston, follow the rules about making it banner acceptable and you will see a pretty picture of your find up at the top of the page on that ribbon of pictures...Even though it doesn't have a story, it's still one of the best bottle finds I've seen. Add a nice little story and ain in focus square cut pic to make it banner acceptable.

Sorry He would need to
Travel back in Time & Sign up
a Few months before he Finds it

Booooooooo!

Weston, send me the bottle and I'll post it! Then it can be voted up there! I can't promise that it will come back but that will be the price for it being in the banner!

 

[Skrimpy]

Well, I went through my books and auction catalogues and found one or two close, but different. Based on what I saw I would guesstimate it at $250. to $300. Aqua is not the favorite color of collectors, although it is obviously a less common variety. I would think it is 1830's to 1850's, not sure if it was made in New England or possibly Zanesville, OH. In short, it needs an expert to tell more and I'm just an educated amateur. Good luck and great find!!
Steve

Try the national bottle museum...they might respond to an email. Again, you can send it to me and I can take care of that for you too! It's 40 miles away and I'll drive it there myself...but like I said, the price of finding out . That's a sweet find. Keep it up.

Shoot,
We need to find some better places to hunt.

 

[hogge]

Believe this is an EARLY 1800's Double Eagle Flask. For the most part, makers marks indicate a mass production of said bottles. Some are more valuable than others. I believe this one is in the 1815-1835 range and no later. Just because it has no mark on it, doesn't make it any less valuable. It could actually be even more desireable and valuable. I would be careful on selling it, before you actually know what you have. This bottle was very crudely made. Too bad it wasn't a different color. Good Luck with the positive ID....Someone will know. Hogge

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Just another "look-alike" but I like how it looks!

EAGLE - EAGLE - "KH & Co. ZO" (on base), (McK# GII-90), aquamarine, smooth base, quart, applied mouth with ring, a mint flask with a few patches of light interior haze. Probably blown at a Zanesville Glass Works, Zanesville, OH, C. 1875, rare.

SDBB

 

[weston]

guys i dont live far Zanesville, OH. i found the bottle in Champaign county, Ohio. is it possible thats where its from? because my bottle is just like that bottle. except color and top. theres no writing on the inside of the oval just like mine. heads facing the same way. what do you guys think?

 

[IronSpike]

I think SODABOTTLEBOB nailed it

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

The Ohio Valley Glass Companies

~ But Which One? ~

Ohio has been involved with glass since 1815, when the Zanesville Glass Manufacturing Company (often referred to as the White Glass Works) started.(1) Virtually every type of glass product has come from Ohio. In the 1800s, the southeastern edge of Ohio, along the Ohio River, included vast outcroppings of unglaciated quartzite, rich in silicon dioxide or silica sand.(3) In addition, at that time, there was an abundant supply of natural gas and coal. These conditions proved attractive to a great variety of glass makers. Names such as Cambridge, Fostoria, Imperial, Steuben, Calcine, Crocker, Ohio Fruit Jar and others, became familiar to glass collectors.

During the 1820s and 1830s, Zanesville was one of the leading glass-manufacturing cities in the nation. Ohio has continued to play a major role in the nation's glass industry because of its abundant sandstone resources

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Here's a "likely" candidate.

~White Glass Company~

White Glass Company was one of Ohio's early members of the glass industry. It existed from 1815 until approximately 1851.

Beginning:

Begun in Zanesville, Ohio at the South West corner of 3rd and Market Streets. It was chartered 13 May 1815 with Isaac Van Horne as President and his son in law Dr. John E. Hamm as Secretary. They made glass bottles with the Eagle and Masonic Symbols.

Perspective:

Some websources have it as the earliest glass company in Ohio. However there were clearly other earlier glass makers in Ohio, but few if any of these ever reached the incorporation stage. Much of the early glass industry was sole proprietorships, and the nature of early Ohio Industry was such that almost all of the really early glass makers left few records. Such was the nature of the craft that it was a rarity for the early glass makers to be able to read or write. However John Hamm and Isaac Van Horne, were unlike the average early Ohio glass manufacturers, both literate. They also had fairly deep pockets and were members of the State and local government. As such they went into the enterprise mostly in the way of the modern businessman, as entrepreneurs, rather than as workers.

The company was later known as The Ohio Valley Glass Company.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

weston -

Since you don't live far from Zanesville, it would probably be worthwhile to take your bottle to an area museum. You might even call ahead and make an appointment with the curator. The nice receptionist may be of some help, but it's the curator or some other knowlegable staff that you really need to meet with. There are several museums in the area, one of which I list here. There's also an impressive glass museum in Cambridge which, as you know, is not far from Zaneville. But start with the Zaneville museum and go from there.

Good luck!

SDBB

The Zanesville Museum of Art is located at 620 Military Road. The hours of operation are Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday 10:00 - 5:00 PM, Thursday 10:00 - 8:30 PM, Sunday 1:00 - 5:00 PM. Closed Mondays. For more information call (740) 452-0741

And just for the fun of it, here's a photo of a "cousin" to your bottle. Your's is considered a common color, and it's the ambers - colbalts - olives - etc., that typically command the highest prices.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

weston -

This will likely be my last post on this topic as my reservoir of limited knowledge is pretty much drained. If I should stumble across anything substantial I will post it accordingly. In the meantime, here's some info on the Cambridge Glass museum. But please note they are only open by appointment at this time of year.

Good luck and thanks again for sharing your find here at TreasureNet ...

"The home away from home" for both armchair as well as seasoned outdoor explorers.

SDBB

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Physical Address of the Museum:
136 South Ninth Street, Cambridge Ohio
Hours of Operation
Hours (April - October)
Open Wed-Sat 9am. - 4pm
Sunday Noon - 4pm

(November - March)
By Appointment Only
(Museum is closed)


Telephone
740-432-4245
Postal Mailing Address
P.O. Box 416
Cambridge, OH 43725

 

[TheDane]

Interesting Thread !!

Would someone please be so good and explain "a Dane" the difference between a bottle and a flask ??

I am especially interested because in my language a bottle is called "flaske" !

Thank you !

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

TheDane -

As we say out West ... "Howdy Podner!"

I have always associated the term "Flask" by the following definition.

A flask is a thin bottle for holding a distilled beverage; its size and shape are suited to a trouser or vest pocket. As opposed to a standard bottle which is typically round and will not easily fit into a pocket.

These flasks were of particular shape and size. It is generally agreed that flasks, as defined by Helen McKearin and Kenneth M. Wilson (authors of American Bottles and Flasks and Their Ancestry), are bottles whose cross section is elliptical or ovate, whose convex or flat sides rise to a shoulder or taper directly into a narrow short neck and whose capacity is rarely over a quart and usually not under a pint.

I hope this helps.

"Adios Amigo" ... Defined: To God - My friend

SDBB

 

[TheDane]

Thank you very much, SODABOTTLEBOB !!

It not only helped, it made it absolutely clear !

Hasta luego !

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

I have a personal request for anyone wishing to help.



Without success I have been looking for historic, black and white photos of the various glass and bottle factories that once existed in the Zanesville, Ohio region.

Apparently there were lots of them, but I will be danged if I can find a single one.

I would especially like one(s) of the "White Glass Company", but at this point would settle for just about anything in the Zanesville area. You'd think it would be easy, and maybe it is and it's just me. Maybe the problem is they didn't have cameras during that period. But surely there must be something, even if from a later date when cameras were in use. Additionally, what we think of as a factory today was likely nothing more than an old barn back in the 1850s and 60s.

Any help you can extend me in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

SODABOB