Does this mean anything?

[Charmin]

Sandcreek,
just to clear some of the confusion,

1. the main point here is to build a monument, (marker) that when decoded takes you to the
dig spot. You will always be digging - not sliding out some secret rock and getting the goodies. This is foolish to assume and never ever used to hid the valuables.
2. They ,[spanish] and KGC would never have you tear apart the monument to find the goods.
3.The KGC solved and used the Spanish Code to bury their own goods.So they learned the rules and used them fastidiously.
4. A hard and fast rule for serious treasure hunters is to NEVER remove rocks from the cairn, monument or makers. Those who recommend this are not experienced or knowledgeable- and you ruin the site for anyone else to ever recovery anything.

5.The few times the Spanish Code calls for you to touch a rock or boulder is when a map is necessary and that rock will be far away from the monument..usually on a dead end trail -
and if that map is not in miniature. using rock incorporation, it might be on the bottom.
This is super rare.

6. This monument looks like later day Spanish that was decoded by the kgc, or was recovered by the Kings men, and re-used by the Kgc as an Alpha, then it is their marks
now that will lead to the goods, if they are still there.

7. the rock that I marked with the R and the F, is the key to this monument.
It is wise to follow this lead to conclusion, as the longer your pics are posted the more confusing this site will appear to you.

Remember the monument is trying to tell you....whether kgc or spanish.

1.Distance
2.Direction

To clarify things if you havent all ready, plot every important item on an interactive online topo map..with the gps coordinates - to get the birds eye veiw of this site. That will help you immensely- or use a large topo map and plot them by hand.


You can ignore the graffiti marks found on the interior of this monument. That only adds to the confusion, as no treasure site was ever solved by the use of graffiti. Period.
hope this helps
rangler

Thank you rangler....We will follow the directions on the F-R rock that you marked up for us. And you are right, the more we look at the pictures we've taken, the more confusing it gets to us. I've stared at these pictures so much my eyes are about to cross .
Appreciate the help, Rangler!!

 

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[Pala Y Pico]

Hi. sandcreek,

I hope you find your treasure on earth also.

Sandcreek,
just to clear some of the confusion,

1. the main point here is to build a monument, (marker) that when decoded takes you to the
dig spot. You will always be digging - not sliding out some secret rock and getting the goodies. This is foolish to assume and never ever used to hid the valuables.
2. They ,[spanish] and KGC would never have you tear apart the monument to find the goods.
3.The KGC solved and used the Spanish Code to bury their own goods.So they learned the rules and used them fastidiously.
4. A hard and fast rule for serious treasure hunters is to NEVER remove rocks from the cairn, monument or makers. Those who recommend this are not experienced or knowledgeable- and you ruin the site for anyone else to ever recovery anything.

5.The few times the Spanish Code calls for you to touch a rock or boulder is when a map is necessary and that rock will be far away from the monument..usually on a dead end trail -
and if that map is not in miniature. using rock incorporation, it might be on the bottom.
This is super rare.

6. This monument looks like later day Spanish that was decoded by the kgc, or was recovered by the Kings men, and re-used by the Kgc as an Alpha, then it is their marks
now that will lead to the goods, if they are still there.

7. the rock that I marked with the R and the F, is the key to this monument.
It is wise to follow this lead to conclusion, as the longer your pics are posted the more confusing this site will appear to you.

Remember the monument is trying to tell you....whether kgc or spanish.

1.Distance
2.Direction

To clarify things if you havent all ready, plot every important item on an interactive online topo map..with the gps coordinates - to get the birds eye veiw of this site. That will help you immensely- or use a large topo map and plot them by hand.


You can ignore the graffiti marks found on the interior of this monument. That only adds to the confusion, as no treasure site was ever solved by the use of graffiti. Period.
hope this helps
rangler

Rangler, Thanks

 

[desertmoons]

What an exciting adventure. I am learning as you go along. I wanted to mention others have found things stashed behind rocks, walls, etc.

Caches were made in all eras and by all sorts of people, up to right now!


Enjoy..what a thrill to find the ring. Hope you post a cleaned up version of it.

 

[Charmin]

What an exciting adventure. I am learning as you go along. I wanted to mention others have found things stashed behind rocks, walls, etc.

Caches were made in all eras and by all sorts of people, up to right now!


Enjoy..what a thrill to find the ring. Hope you post a cleaned up version of it.

Here's the ring cleaned up, desertmoons. It is just gold-plated(I thought it was real when I first dug it up!). It has little ruby/diamond stones in it. No markings inside the band.

 

[Charmin]

Hi. sandcreek,

I hope you find your treasure on earth also.

Thank you Pala Y Pico.

 

[rangler]

Kim, you said,....

I wanted to mention others have found things stashed behind rocks, walls, etc. Caches were made in all eras and by all sorts of people, up to right now!

Yes you are correct any ole farmer or moonshiner/highwayman, can stash some ill gotten gain anywhere,
my comments were in context of Spanish Protocol, or even kgc, the point being that you dont tear apart a monument or try to read the tea leaves of graffiti at a professionally made monument of Spanish or kgc, design..this clarity is so NO one gets tempted to pull a monument apart searching for graffiti or supposed goodies..You have to overemphasize
some important points so that those less knowledgeable who read these posts dont over react when they see a rock that looks like some critter.
Alas I have seen tore apart monuments in the field, it is a sicking site. criminal and ignorant
and I will do everything I can to discourage this activity - including correcting miss-marked graffiti posts.
rangler

 

[tesoro dog]

sandcreek! Hi! Just an observation, the #116 pic sure looks like a bear in there, along with it's black nose. Wondering why there would be a trap in there,, or it might mean it's at the entry when you find it!
Oh! Do you know more or less how deep the ring was buried?? Peace! td

 

[desertmoons]

Awww.. I still love it Sandcreek! I am so impressed with the methodical way you are approaching this all. KGC - if it is KGC..info is hard to come by. It could be some other group or person. Does it matter? Don't think so. But still..it seems given human nature we generally use similar processes and thinking in stashing something. Some are more clever or convoluted than others but most seem to have an orientation sign or two around for example.

Best of luck and enjoy the mystery

 

[Springfield]

Kim, you said,....

I wanted to mention others have found things stashed behind rocks, walls, etc. Caches were made in all eras and by all sorts of people, up to right now!

Yes you are correct any ole farmer or moonshiner/highwayman, can stash some ill gotten gain anywhere,
my comments were in context of Spanish Protocol, or even kgc, the point being that you dont tear apart a monument or try to read the tea leaves of graffiti at a professionally made monument of Spanish or kgc, design..this clarity is so NO one gets tempted to pull a monument apart searching for graffiti or supposed goodies..You have to overemphasize
some important points so that those less knowledgeable who read these posts dont over react when they see a rock that looks like some critter.
Alas I have seen tore apart monuments in the field, it is a sicking site. criminal and --deleted--
and I will do everything I can to discourage this activity - including correcting miss-marked graffiti posts.
rangler

I've noticed lately that you are starting to get your feet more solidly planted on the ground of reality concerning the topic of 'treasure signs/marks'. At least you've recently seen the light on cloud watching. Next we have to drag you into the light concerning man-made monuments, carvings, etc. You can check some of my previous posts that identify 99% of man-made items found in the field as having no relationship whatsoever to 'Spanish/Jesuit treasure', but were created by various other folks for a variety of reasons.

Monuments/cairns. I carefully examine and disassemble them if feasible when I find them (and put them back together afterwards). Why? Because occasionally there is something of interest inside. Most cairns are only reference points, but many contain goodies:

* Mining Claim Discovery Monuments: location papers (copies of the original filed claims) are required to be left in the field at the location corner. Modern claim corners are wooden posts, pvc pipes or steel t-posts, but the older ones were rock monuments with the location papers secured in glass jars, pill bottles or Prince Albert tobacco tins within the stone pile. The papers themselves, if still readable, can be very interesting and provide lots of information about past mining activities and the names of the people involved - some of the documents can be 100 years old.

* Other Documentaion Items: hiking/climbing registers. People leave their names and dates when reaching significent points on peaks and trails. Interesting history. GeoCaches - the weather-proof target is often secured within a cairn. Lots of interesting things to be found here.

* Just For The Heck Of It Items: people do wierd things for unknown reasons. About five years ago I found an old glass jar visible inside a small rock monument. Inside the jar were some old kitchen matches and an unopened pack of Merry Widows from the 1920's. Go figure.

* Cache OF Value: old-timers didn't trust banks and hid money and other things in post-hole banks and other places, including within a pile of rocks (or even a pile of dirt).

Bottom line: Father Kino didn't leave all those rock monuments in the hills. Someone else did, and if you're curious enough, you might find something of interest inside.

 

[dtpost]

Sandcreek the structure itself looks to be on an incline, is there something else going on across from this one. Is there anything on the oppisite side. Was thinking this could be a loading ramp of some sort, or bridge pillar.

 

[Charmin]

sandcreek! Hi! Just an observation, the #116 pic sure looks like a bear in there, along with it's black nose. Wondering why there would be a trap in there,, or it might mean it's at the entry when you find it!
Oh! Do you know more or less how deep the ring was buried?? Peace! td

Hi TD---the ring was about 5" or 6" deep and found near the rock monument.
And thanks for the observation on pic.#116!

Sandcreek the structure itself looks to be on an incline, is there something else going on across from this one. Is there anything on the oppisite side. Was thinking this could be a loading ramp of some sort, or bridge pillar.

This structure is kinda hard to see from the opposite side--it does look like a 'ramp' of sorts, but isn't a bridge pillar(too far from the creek for that)....You almost have to be standing directly in front of the monument to see it.
Going the opposite direction and away from the monument, we walked up a big rocky hill(this was where we found the other 'J' rock and the 'F-R' rock). Lots of stuff 'going on' in this area, dtpost!

 

[dtpost]

sandcreek! Hi! Just an observation, the #116 pic sure looks like a bear in there, along with it's black nose. Wondering why there would be a trap in there,, or it might mean it's at the entry when you find it!
Oh! Do you know more or less how deep the ring was buried?? Peace! td

Hi TD---the ring was about 5" or 6" deep and found near the rock monument.
And thanks for the observation on pic.#116!

Sandcreek the structure itself looks to be on an incline, is there something else going on across from this one. Is there anything on the oppisite side. Was thinking this could be a loading ramp of some sort, or bridge pillar.

This structure is kinda hard to see from the opposite side--it does look like a 'ramp' of sorts, but isn't a bridge pillar(too far from the creek for that)....You almost have to be standing directly in front of the monument to see it.
Going the opposite direction and away from the monument, we walked up a big rocky hill(this was where we found the other 'J' rock and the 'F-R' rock). Lots of stuff 'going on' in this area, dtpost!

Have you google earth the area yet

 

[Charmin]

sandcreek! Hi! Just an observation, the #116 pic sure looks like a bear in there, along with it's black nose. Wondering why there would be a trap in there,, or it might mean it's at the entry when you find it!
Oh! Do you know more or less how deep the ring was buried?? Peace! td

Hi TD---the ring was about 5" or 6" deep and found near the rock monument.
And thanks for the observation on pic.#116!

Sandcreek the structure itself looks to be on an incline, is there something else going on across from this one. Is there anything on the oppisite side. Was thinking this could be a loading ramp of some sort, or bridge pillar.

This structure is kinda hard to see from the opposite side--it does look like a 'ramp' of sorts, but isn't a bridge pillar(too far from the creek for that)....You almost have to be standing directly in front of the monument to see it.
Going the opposite direction and away from the monument, we walked up a big rocky hill(this was where we found the other 'J' rock and the 'F-R' rock). Lots of stuff 'going on' in this area, dtpost!

Have you google earth the area yet

Yes, we have and also used the Bing maps (as Shortstack suggested). I really like the Bing maps better because of the 'Birds eye view'.

 

[desertmoons]

I've noticed lately that you are starting to get your feet more solidly planted on the ground of reality concerning the topic of 'treasure signs/marks'. At least you've recently seen the light on cloud watching. Next we have to drag you into the light concerning man-made monuments, carvings, etc. You can check some of my previous posts that identify 99% of man-made items found in the field as having no relationship whatsoever to 'Spanish/Jesuit treasure', but were created by various other folks for a variety of reasons.

Springfield, I still am not sure if you are referring to Rangler or me. It would be a small disappointment to me if some of the things I am investigating were in fact Spanish is about all I can say. As to Rangler, I've tried to teach him but you know..you can lead a horse to water... Each progresses at their own pace and some get stuck along the way for a time.

The cairns are interesting. Of courese they are sill being made today by hikers etc.

 

[pyledriver]

Fascinating thread!

 

[naturegirl]

How cool is that ring!? What do you know about it? Can you date it? That sure would have made my day. Are you sure the rocks aren't natural? Sandstone is so creative all unto itself, I've spent more time just looking at it thinking 'How, or why do you look like that?' I do know it can spring straight up from the ground, seemingly out of nowhere. this continues to be a most interesting thread, and my fingers are still crossed bigtime!

 

[Springfield]

I've noticed lately that you are starting to get your feet more solidly planted on the ground of reality concerning the topic of 'treasure signs/marks'. At least you've recently seen the light on cloud watching. Next we have to drag you into the light concerning man-made monuments, carvings, etc. You can check some of my previous posts that identify 99% of man-made items found in the field as having no relationship whatsoever to 'Spanish/Jesuit treasure', but were created by various other folks for a variety of reasons.

Springfield, I still am not sure if you are referring to Rangler or me. It would be a small disappointment to me if some of the things I am investigating were in fact Spanish is about all I can say. As to Rangler, I've tried to teach him but you know..you can lead a horse to water... Each progresses at their own pace and some get stuck along the way for a time.

The cairns are interesting. Of courese they are sill being made today by hikers etc.

Hi, dmoons. I was referring to Rangler of course. He'll come around eventually - I believe he's in denial that his theories are potentially flawed.

 

[Charmin]

Fascinating thread!

Thanks pyledriver .

How cool is that ring!? What do you know about it? Can you date it? That sure would have made my day. Are you sure the rocks aren't natural? Sandstone is so creative all unto itself, I've spent more time just looking at it thinking 'How, or why do you look like that?' I do know it can spring straight up from the ground, seemingly out of nowhere. this continues to be a most interesting thread, and my fingers are still crossed bigtime!

The rock monument could be natural, NG . Its a neat landmark and is close to the old foundation and well where the first 'J' rock was found. We would never have found that 'J' rock if we hadn't been curious about the rock monument. Funny how that one thing led to another. If you are standing near the old foundation, (and looking towards the rock monument), unless you know the monument is there, you cannot see it. Don't you think people who hid things, looked for places like that? We haven't made a significant discovery, but what fun we've had looking! Its made us want to learn about treasure signs/symbols and its given me the opportunity to teach my kids how to use a compass.
I don't know about the ring--it looks like one you would see in an old Sears Roebuck catalog from the early 1900's. There are no markings inside to help date it. I really thought it was gold when I first dug it up!
Thanks Lisa!

 

[naturegirl]

Yes, I do think it would be a good hiding place, and I bet it has always drawn people to it. I often will go out of my way to look at a tree or rocks sticking up like that. I wonder if whoever lost that ring, lived there, or was drawn to it If rocks and trees could just talk!

 

[Shortstack]

Sandcreek:
I did a bing search of "belt rings" and got over 73 million hits. The first on the list was this site:

http://www.thefind.com/jewelry/info-belt-buckle-ring

Check it out. Prices from $9 to over $800. Have fun.