Documented evidence that Waltz worked at (or for) the Vulture Mine?

[StreamlineGold]

I have had my hands on the vulture super high grade, and it was mined recently. Was it actually XRF Scanned in comparison? The main ore is different than the high grade stringers.

 

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[wrmickel1]

I have had my hands on the vulture super high grade, and it was mined recently. Was it actually XRF Scanned in comparison? The main ore is different than the high grade stringers.

Yes, The Good Doctor in his book said he went there and they obtained Samples to test.

Babymick1

 

[StreamlineGold]

Not sure if I have permission from them to post but I do have pics of the ore.

 

[wrmickel1]

Not sure if I have permission from them to post but I do have pics of the ore.

Post it

 

[Al D]

Hate to tell you guys this, but the Dutchman isn't in the Superstitions.

Well, if you believe another poster here who thinks he can see four peaks as one from the mine, then your right,

 

[gollum]

I thought this was well known, but maybe not. Dick Holmes had the candlebox ore assayed at Joseph Porterie's Assay Office in Phoenix. Joseph Porterie was also the Chief Assayer at the Vulture Mine.

While still alive, Joseph Porterie was asked about this rumor. Porterie replied that he had never seen ore like that before, and it certainly didn't come from the Vulture Mine. I believe it was in Sims Ely's Book, but I'll have to check to make sure.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

I have had my hands on the vulture super high grade, and it was mined recently. Was it actually XRF Scanned in comparison? The main ore is different than the high grade stringers.

Hi Stream,

The test was discussed in Dr. Glover's 1st and 4th books ("The Lost Dutchman Mine of Jacob Waltz, Part 1 The Golden Dream" and "The Lost Dutchman Mine of Jacob Waltz, Unraveling a Mystery")

A brief synopsis of that part of the books is that Dr. Glover and Greg D. obtained a sample of surface ore from the Vulture Mine, which was later analyzed in a lab using SEM/EDS, vice XRF. The exact elemental composition of the Vulture ore was not given in detail in either book. My guess is that such a discussion would have led to the exact elemental composition of Dutchman ore, which was not something they wanted to make public for fear the data would be used by scammers ("hey, look at this rock I found, it's an exact match for Dutchman ore, care to invest?").

The gist of the testing indicated the surface sample of Vulture ore was not geologically related to the same type of event that produced the Dutchman ore. This seems to lend credence to the story of Joe Porterie telling Brownie that the Dutchman ore didn't look like Vulture ore.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Mick, are you saying you've "tested" "known" Dutchman ore?

Alleged known Dutchman’s Ore, YES

BABYMICK1

Where did this ore come from? Do you have a picture of it? As you have "tested" it, can you share with us any of its characteristics? Thanks, Jim

 

[Oroblanco]

AHA! I was waiting for that, Mick!

It looks like you've received your new book? Glad to hear it didn't take a month to get to you!

Anyway, what I was waiting for, was for you to post about the AgTe found in one of the triangles of the matchbox. It appears you've picked up on that.

I disagree that Dr. Glover's findings, in any way, support your statement that "Known Dutchman's Ore is matched to only two places Colorado And California Ore"

But, it does seem to indicate the possibility that at least one part of the matchbox, (one of the little triangles), contains ore with AgTe that seems to be rare in AZ.

According to Reiney Petrasch, Waltz had a wild assortment of different kinds of ore in the candle box under his bed including gold in Chalcedony, which would be pretty rare indeed.

Telluride is rare in AZ but not unknown. I am skeptical that any true Telluride exists in any spot on the famous matchbox.





Can anyone point out the Telluride on the photos?

I asked Dr Glover directly if it was true that they had found Telluride in the matchbox, he refused to answer.

Mick, I am still wondering if it really matters to you what name your gold mine is called if it is producing a good amount of gold for you? Does it really matter? Thanks in advance.

 

[gollum]

PS
Here is what I was talking about - there are SEVERAL Lost Dutchman gold mines in Arizona, only the one in the Superstitions is well known today.



End quoted extract
<from Arizona, Prehistoric, Aboriginal, Pioneer, Modern: The Nation's Youngest
by James H. McClintock - Arizona - 1916 pp 392, online at Google books free, public domain>

Hey Roy,

I believe this is the "OTHER" Lost Dutchman Story:



LA Times
28 January 1902


Mike

 

[StreamlineGold]

Interesting..
I will have to read this book.


It takes extraordinary circumstances to get into ‘bonanza’ ore like this.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

According to Reiney Petrasch, Waltz had a wild assortment of different kinds of ore in the candle box under his bed including gold in Chalcedony, which would be pretty rare indeed.

Telluride is rare in AZ but not unknown. I am skeptical that any true Telluride exists in any spot on the famous matchbox.

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Can anyone point out the Telluride on the photos?

I asked Dr Glover directly if it was true that they had found Telluride in the matchbox, he refused to answer.

Mick, I am still wondering if it really matters to you what name your gold mine is called if it is producing a good amount of gold for you? Does it really matter? Thanks in advance.

Hi Roy,

Regarding the presence of silver telluride in the matchbox, Dr. Glover related to me that it was discovered during the SEM/EDS testing that was done for his first book. He said it was found in one of the little triangles of ore:

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He also told me that it was decided not to publicly release the presence of Ag2Te at the time. Perhaps this is why he refused to answer your question. He covers this in his new book. I'm not sure of anything else besides that. Take care, Jim

 

[wrmickel1]

According to Reiney Petrasch, Waltz had a wild assortment of different kinds of ore in the candle box under his bed including gold in Chalcedony, which would be pretty rare indeed.

Telluride is rare in AZ but not unknown. I am skeptical that any true Telluride exists in any spot on the famous matchbox.

View attachment 1727514

View attachment 1727515

Can anyone point out the Telluride on the photos?

I asked Dr Glover directly if it was true that they had found Telluride in the matchbox, he refused to answer.

Mick, I am still wondering if it really matters to you what name your gold mine is called if it is producing a good amount of gold for you? Does it really matter? Thanks in advance.

Very Much So

Oreblanco, You told me once not to bust up Gold Ore it worth more then the Gold.
Now Imagine What a Ring or a Broach or earrings would be worth made from Dutchman’s Gold. Now that would be greedy right.

No, my interest is not to be a miner, I’d sell it to the State of Arizona and the Feds for 10 percent of what it’s worth.

If they don’t want to deal, I will just file a claim on it.

But like I said I’ve never looked for the Dutchman’s Mine.

I’m a Stoner Guy.

Babymick1 I’m gonna get a lot of back lash on the last comment.

 

[wrmickel1]

Potbelly

Zoom in on those little Triangles you will notice the bubbles in them. Then zoom in on my ore you will notice the bubbles in the matrix.






See!

Babymick1

 

[wrmickel1]

Then you will notice that the gold follows the darker colors and not so much in the White.

I call that a Slam Dunk.

Babymick1

 

[Oroblanco]

Then you will notice that the gold follows the darker colors and not so much in the White.

I call that a Slam Dunk.

Babymick1

Actually the gold is much more in the white, than in the dark colored host rock.

I do not see ANY Telluride on those two photos. Here is an online article on how to identify Telluride:

Identification of Tellurides

Notice the COLORS of the various Telluride minerals - NONE of them are DARK!

IF there is ANY Telluride in the ore of that matchbox, it has to be microscopic.

Mike - yes that is the one I posted about earlier. It is not even the only "other" Lost Dutchman, the third one is up near Prescott, the Dutchman in that case being named Henry Youngblood, from Missouri. The fact that there are several different Lost Dutchman mines in Arizona (and several more in other states) has not prevented treasure writers and treasure hunters from mixing the information up, resulting in the situation we have today where many thousands of people have hunted for the lost Dutchman's gold mine and none seem to have really found it.

 

[Oroblanco]

PS to Mick - it won't be me giving you flak over your being a 'stoner guy'. I do think that the Peralta stone maps ought to have a separate forum of its own however, as it is not really related to the Lost Dutchman mine of Waltz or any of the other lost Dutchman mines.

 

[wrmickel1]

PS to Mick - it won't be me giving you flak over your being a 'stoner guy'. I do think that the Peralta stone maps ought to have a separate forum of its own however, as it is not really related to the Lost Dutchman mine of Waltz or any of the other lost Dutchman mines.

Well in this case it’s mostly likely that it is. So how do you prove it, You match which color triangle contains it in the Matchbox. Then my ore.

If they match, Is it a slam dunk, Not Quit, There’s no proof that the Matchbox contains Dutchman’s ore. There would have to be something that says without a shadow of a doubt this is Waltz’s mine at the mine.

I’ve come to far to get it Wrong

Babymick1

 

[Oroblanco]

Well in this case it’s mostly likely that it is. So how do you prove it, You match which color triangle contains it in the Matchbox. Then my ore.

If they match, Is it a slam dunk, Not Quit, There’s no proof that the Matchbox contains Dutchman’s ore. There would have to be something that says without a shadow of a doubt this is Waltz’s mine at the mine.

I’ve come to far to get it Wrong

Babymick1

Okay I will humor you.

Exactly what links the Peralta stone maps with the lost gold mine of Jacob Waltz?

What exactly did Waltz ever say about stone maps? I want the sources too.

Thanks in advance. Still far from convinced there is any Telluride in that matchbox. Also I would point out that I am not a geologist or assayer. You want a comparison to really get a serious examination done of your ore, get a real geologist. I am just a prospector and an AMATEUR at geology, I could easily be fooled.

 

[azdave35]

Okay I will humor you.

Exactly what links the Peralta stone maps with the lost gold mine of Jacob Waltz?

What exactly did Waltz ever say about stone maps? I want the sources too.

Thanks in advance. Still far from convinced there is any Telluride in that matchbox. Also I would point out that I am not a geologist or assayer. You want a comparison to really get a serious examination done of your ore, get a real geologist. I am just a prospector and an AMATEUR at geology, I could easily be fooled.

you wont get an answer on what links the stone maps to waltz...i've asked this a few times and they get real quiet..