Diversions,Dead Ends and Wild Cards

[Blindbowman]

Wayne,

"While the manuscript may be of interest to those who wish to understand what the author had in mind..."

As far as I know, understanding what the author had in mind remains a mystery. Haven't been keeping up with that bit of the puzzle, so someone may have figured it out by now.........which is doubtful, but possible.

Take care,

Joe

OK joe

you are a very smart and well controlled preson when it comes to relateing your wisdom to the legend and what is known ..

i stated the manuscript is in fact Waltz's will rewrittern by Dick Holmes

OK logical patterns

if waltz had a will it would have most likely been hand wrote as most were in that time span .. correct ?

if waltz had a will would the most likely place for that will be with his gold under the bed ...correct ..?

if the will was in the box with his gold where did it go and who was the frist preson to see that gold in that box Dick Holmes ...correct ?

OK if Dick Holmes had taken the gold why would he leave the will behind ...?

if Dick Holmes took the will how could he hide it ..?

IMHO Dick holmes took the will and then was going to use it to help win his case for the gold that he took under the bed .. then realized if he made the will into the account it would look like waltz had gave him the mine and the gold under the bed .. but he did not wantto give up the dirrections in waltz's will to anyone .. and in the end gave the account to brownie holmes ...


i think that is the most logical pattern of events ....

Dick holmes had motive .. he did take the gold under the bed .. and he was the only one there when waltz died ... waltz never told him anything ... dick holmes was a lair

he stold waltz's gold and his will .. you want to know what the will said ...

i know what it says word for word

and why it said it the way it did ...

dick holmes was a fool .. its as plain as that ...

and the wording "Garbled" is very true .. thank you clay for your wording ......i know you have been reading all of this clay .. you should pm why you still can ...

so joe you are correct .. someone has sovled the manuscript

 

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[Cubfan64]

Wayne,

"While the manuscript may be of interest to those who wish to understand what the author had in mind..."

As far as I know, understanding what the author had in mind remains a mystery. Haven't been keeping up with that bit of the puzzle, so someone may have figured it out by now.........which is doubtful, but possible.

Take care,

Joe

OK joe

you are a very smart and well controlled preson when it comes to relateing your wisdom to the legend and what is known ..

i stated the manuscript is in fact Waltz's will rewrittern by Dick Holmes

OK logical patterns

if waltz had a will it would have most likely been hand wrote as most were in that time span .. correct ?

if waltz had a will would the most likely place for that will be with his gold under the bed ...correct ..?

if the will was in the box with his gold where did it go and who was the frist preson to see that gold in that box Dick Holmes ...correct ?

OK if Dick Holmes had taken the gold why would he leave the will behind ...?

if Dick Holmes took the will how could he hide it ..?

IMHO Dick holmes took the will and then was going to use it to help win his case for the gold that he took under the bed .. then realized if he made the will into the account it would look like waltz had gave him the mine and the gold under the bed .. but he did not wantto give up the dirrections in waltz's will to anyone .. and in the end gave the account to brownie holmes ...


i think that is the most logical pattern of events ....

Dick holmes had motive .. he did take the gold under the bed .. and he was the only one there when waltz died ... waltz never told him anything ... dick holmes was a lair

he stold waltz's gold and his will .. you want to know what the will said ...

i know what it says word for word

and why it said it the way it did ...

dick holmes was a fool .. its as plain as that ...

and the wording "Garbled" is very true .. thank you clay for your wording ......i know you have been reading all of this clay .. you should pm why you still can ...

so joe you are correct .. someone has sovled the manuscript

Ummm, wrong manuscript reference BB - try to keep up with the conversation

 

[cactusjumper]

Paul,

Wow! Did bb really post all of that nonsense? Nothing has changed, that's for sure.

Take care,

Joe

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

BB,

Depending, of course, on who and what you read, Holmes was not the only person around Waltz. There, supposedly, was another person there, Roberts, who died later on. Some sources say Starrar (sp) was there also.

The other part of the "story" with Holmes that I find interesting, is that Holmes first headed for Hidden Spring right after Waltz died. (again, depending on what you read). Why do you think that was??

B

 

[Blindbowman]

joe ... your getting to old why dont you retire...lol at your age why dont you make one last trip into the mts and save someone else some digging ....lol

 

[Blindbowman]

Wayne,

"While the manuscript may be of interest to those who wish to understand what the author had in mind..."

As far as I know, understanding what the author had in mind remains a mystery. Haven't been keeping up with that bit of the puzzle, so someone may have figured it out by now.........which is doubtful, but possible.

Take care,

Joe

OK joe

you are a very smart and well controlled preson when it comes to relateing your wisdom to the legend and what is known ..

i stated the manuscript is in fact Waltz's will rewrittern by Dick Holmes

OK logical patterns

if waltz had a will it would have most likely been hand wrote as most were in that time span .. correct ?

if waltz had a will would the most likely place for that will be with his gold under the bed ...correct ..?

if the will was in the box with his gold where did it go and who was the frist preson to see that gold in that box Dick Holmes ...correct ?

OK if Dick Holmes had taken the gold why would he leave the will behind ...?

if Dick Holmes took the will how could he hide it ..?

IMHO Dick holmes took the will and then was going to use it to help win his case for the gold that he took under the bed .. then realized if he made the will into the account it would look like waltz had gave him the mine and the gold under the bed .. but he did not wantto give up the dirrections in waltz's will to anyone .. and in the end gave the account to brownie holmes ...


i think that is the most logical pattern of events ....

Dick holmes had motive .. he did take the gold under the bed .. and he was the only one there when waltz died ... waltz never told him anything ... dick holmes was a lair

he stold waltz's gold and his will .. you want to know what the will said ...

i know what it says word for word

and why it said it the way it did ...

dick holmes was a fool .. its as plain as that ...

and the wording "Garbled" is very true .. thank you clay for your wording ......i know you have been reading all of this clay .. you should pm why you still can ...

so joe you are correct .. someone has sovled the manuscript

Ummm, wrong manuscript reference BB - try to keep up with the conversation

the topic dose say dead ends .. i thaught you two were done with that BS .. unless you and joe are holding hands again ...lol

 

[Oroblanco]

Blindbowman wrote

i stated the manuscript is in fact Waltz's will rewrittern by Dick Holmes

OK logical patterns

if waltz had a will it would have most likely been hand wrote as most were in that time span .. correct ?

if waltz had a will would the most likely place for that will be with his gold under the bed ...correct ..?

if the will was in the box with his gold where did it go and who was the frist preson to see that gold in that box Dick Holmes ...correct ?

OK if Dick Holmes had taken the gold why would he leave the will behind ...?

if Dick Holmes took the will how could he hide it ..?

IMHO Dick holmes took the will and then was going to use it to help win his case for the gold that he took under the bed .. then realized if he made the will into the account it would look like waltz had gave him the mine and the gold under the bed .. but he did not wantto give up the dirrections in waltz's will to anyone .. and in the end gave the account to brownie holmes ...


i think that is the most logical pattern of events ....

Interesting theory, and you are contending that the Holmes manuscript amounts to Waltz's last will and testament. A lot of "Ifs" in this theory amigo, I have to say (respectfully of course) that I am not convinced. One would think that if Waltz really wished for Dick Holmes to find the mine and cache, he would have given him very exact directions, and Holmes should have been able to locate the mine. Instead, Holmes spent the rest of his life in a fruitless search, which his son Brownie continued and his partner Clay pursued to this day. Something almost has to be wrong with the directions as received by Holmes, perhaps something as simple as one word.

It is a logical explanation, however just too many 'ifs' in my opinion.

Oroblanco

coffee?

 

[somehiker]

Roy:
How true.That one word is all it would take.
Good catch and some nice pictures posted.That's what we like to see.

Regards:SH

 

[Oroblanco]

Roy:
How true.That one word is all it would take.
Good catch and some nice pictures posted.That's what we like to see.

Regards:SH

Muchas gracias amigo - that "garbled" description may well be very accurate. Perhaps Waltz did give Holmes exact directions to find the mine, yet Dick somehow misunderstood one part or 'garbled' a single word; such an error would have been disastrous.

When we consider that Waltz also tried to tell his friends Julia and Reiney how to find the mine and they likewise failed to find it, I half suspect the flaw may originate with Waltz himself. Some detail that may have become fuddled in his own memory, that he mis-remembered or did not explain correctly. He had not been to visit his mine for some time prior to his old age, so it is likely that years had elapsed; I can't start throwing stones at Waltz for such a memory error when I can't recall what I ate yesterday, for that matter cannot prove that he made any error in trying to tell his friends how to find the mine. There is also the possibility of error in translation from Deutsch to English; as you know German is spoken rather "backward" from English, so you could say "throw the horse over the fence a bale of hay" and it would be correct, but sounds backward in English. Just another suspicion.
Roy

 

[Blindbowman]

Blindbowman wrote

i stated the manuscript is in fact Waltz's will rewrittern by Dick Holmes

OK logical patterns

if waltz had a will it would have most likely been hand wrote as most were in that time span .. correct ?

if waltz had a will would the most likely place for that will be with his gold under the bed ...correct ..?

if the will was in the box with his gold where did it go and who was the frist preson to see that gold in that box Dick Holmes ...correct ?

OK if Dick Holmes had taken the gold why would he leave the will behind ...?

if Dick Holmes took the will how could he hide it ..?

IMHO Dick holmes took the will and then was going to use it to help win his case for the gold that he took under the bed .. then realized if he made the will into the account it would look like waltz had gave him the mine and the gold under the bed .. but he did not wantto give up the dirrections in waltz's will to anyone .. and in the end gave the account to brownie holmes ...


i think that is the most logical pattern of events ....

Interesting theory, and you are contending that the Holmes manuscript amounts to Waltz's last will and testament. A lot of "Ifs" in this theory amigo, I have to say (respectfully of course) that I am not convinced. One would think that if Waltz really wished for Dick Holmes to find the mine and cache, he would have given him very exact directions, and Holmes should have been able to locate the mine. Instead, Holmes spent the rest of his life in a fruitless search, which his son Brownie continued and his partner Clay pursued to this day. Something almost has to be wrong with the directions as received by Holmes, perhaps something as simple as one word.

It is a logical explanation, however just too many 'ifs' in my opinion.

Oroblanco

coffee?

sorry i did not go into full details of what i do know

and i never said waltz even talk to Dick holmes at all .. in fact dick holmes could have killed waltz if he was the only one in the room .. but thats not the point any way .., waltz never gave dick holmes anything at all the will proves it , this account is waltz 's will .. look close Oro .. it reads ." i was working " "i had located " " I got"

if Dick Holmes had writern this paper .. it would have most likely read he 'he'he' not I I I ....dick holmers did not write this letter at all its a account alright .. but waltz's ..


i knew the secound i realized waltz had wrote this letter what it really was .. i know just what dick holmes added to the letter and why ... and your right one word can change the whole meaning of the dirrections ..

if you remove anything related to dick holmes from the paper you will under stand i am correct .. this is waltz 's will .. and i fully agree with clay .. this account is garbled by waltz him self .. it was done by waltz and coded into the letter .. if dick holmes had been told this account .. whe would have known where the mine was .. he did not know where it was and he did not know the letter had been coded by waltz .. thats why he could not find the mine .. how could waltz have just told dick holmes the account and put it in code at the same time why dieing ,, he could not , and that make dick holmes a lair and this letter was writern by waltz not told to dick holmes as dick holmes stated it was .. they is no other logical reason how dick holmes could have gotten this letter .. he could not have been told the account by waltz .. the only way he could have gotten this account is by stilling it from under waltz's bed .. and look what dick holmes dose with it .. he hides it and changes it to look like his own account to help keep it hidden . yet he never finds the mine and he passes it to brownie thinking brownie may be able to find the mine with what is in the letter knowing the letter is really waltz's will ...

it is the best of the best out witeing the greedy dick holmes ... waltz caught dick holmes even after he was dead and gone .. waltz knew this would happend .. and i think he knew what the out come would be .. that way no one could steal the will and run off with his mine . the dirrections were coded in details that only waltz knew .. dick holmes had no idea the letter was coded when he took it and never figerd out why he could not find the mine ..

waltz out wited dick holmes and his son . by codeing the will ...

i said i could prove it when the time is right .. and i can

waltz coded a secert in the dirrections that can only be translated by someone standing at the mine it self .. those coded dirrections tells the preson they are at the real LDM .. i know this for a fact .. i have stood there and seen them with my own eyes ..

this is the waltz will .. and yes i can prove it 100% Oro look close at the last line . then waltz was dead .. if dick holmes added this to the letter to make it look like waltz had given him the account and added the last line on the letter to make it look like waltz was alive then waltz most likely was not alive at the time ...whats that tell you Oro ...if dick holmes is trying to make it look like waltz was alive and he was not . then dick holmes was hidding the fact waltz was already dead .. thats covering up the time of death in a posable mudder case ,, i could be wrong but i dont beleive so .. i think dick holmes killed waltz and took the will ...see Oro .. dick holmes and brownie holmes and clay are the only ones that could have known this was waltz's will . unless someone really has found the real mine .. i rest my case ..

clay knows its the waltz will .. so did brownie holmes

clay has as much chance of finding the mine with those dirrections as dick holmes and brownie holmes had ..

what happend to all 3 of them .. the same thing . they spent their life time looking for the mine useing waltz will to find it .. but only waltz and i knew the secert of the will ..


no Oro i am not wrong and if the
if's are a problem to you .. when i do go back .. i will be glad to have you come and see for your self .. the mine is real .. and that is waltz's will , i will be glad to state that in a cort of law before this is over ...

look at this line

"Dick! Dick! . i must tell you " remove it from the letter then reread the letter without it there .. there is no question about it .. dick holmes add this line and a few other words to the letter.. IMHO there is no dout what so ever ...

 

[Blindbowman]

Roy:
How true.That one word is all it would take.
Good catch and some nice pictures posted.That's what we like to see.

Regards:SH

Muchas gracias amigo - that "garbled" description may well be very accurate. Perhaps Waltz did give Holmes exact directions to find the mine, yet Dick somehow misunderstood one part or 'garbled' a single word; such an error would have been disastrous.

When we consider that Waltz also tried to tell his friends Julia and Reiney how to find the mine and they likewise failed to find it, I half suspect the flaw may originate with Waltz himself. Some detail that may have become fuddled in his own memory, that he mis-remembered or did not explain correctly. He had not been to visit his mine for some time prior to his old age, so it is likely that years had elapsed; I can't start throwing stones at Waltz for such a memory error when I can't recall what I ate yesterday, for that matter cannot prove that he made any error in trying to tell his friends how to find the mine. There is also the possibility of error in translation from Deutsch to English; as you know German is spoken rather "backward" from English, so you could say "throw the horse over the fence a bale of hay" and it would be correct, but sounds backward in English. Just another suspicion.
Roy

i agree fully . those patterns are logical tell someone knows the real location and looks backthrow the window from out side looking in .. you guys are all loking out the window .. i am looking in ... and i fully under stand your point of veiw Oro and i do agree if i did not know the real location . what you stated would be very true .. but the fact is i can translate the will the correct way .. and i under stand how its garbled and why .. i think waltz told his friend a account that he knew was not truew to see there reactions .. knowing the will would set things stright if he trusted them after

i dont think he ever got the chance to tell julia the truth becaise dick holmes killed him ...

why cover up when waltz died ..?

that says it all right there ...

 

[Blindbowman]

take a good close look at what i am saying Oro .. its not dick holmes trying to cover up stealling the gold from under the bed ..
waltz set dick holmes up .. look close .. the letter stated facts only waltz knew .. dick holmes change the details and made the misteak of adding details that tell us he killed waltz , he trys to make it look like waltz is alive when waltz is clearly dead at the time .. the will tells us this when dick holmes trys to add to the will to make it look like his own account . dick holmes had to have know it was waltz 's will .. at the time ... look at the letter again other then the last line added to the letter where dose it say anything about waltz saying anything dirrectly to dick holmes .. no where in the letter .. because dick holmes is full SH** .. this is waltz 's will dick holmes was the only one that knew what he had added to the letter till i found the real mine .. it told me just what dick holmes had added and why he added it ... if waltz was already dead there would have been no logical reason for dick holmes to change the will and make it look like waltz was alive at the time ... is he hidding the fact waltz was dead at the time or is he hidding the fact he stold the will ..?

the last line tells us the truth .. then waltz was dead .. he is trying to make it look like waltz died after he was given the account ... the fact is he added that line .. trying to change the time of Waltz's death


there was no reason to cover up when waltz died if dick holmes had nothing to do with waltz death ...

logic tells us dick holmes had so part in waltz death ...his actions show this clearly ..

 

[Oroblanco]

Blindbowman wrote

i agree fully . those patterns are logical tell someone knows the real location and looks backthrow the window from out side looking in .. you guys are all loking out the window .. i am looking in ... and i fully under stand your point of veiw Oro and i do agree if i did not know the real location . what you stated would be very true .. but the fact is i can translate the will the correct way .. and i under stand how its garbled and why .. i think waltz told his friend a account that he knew was not truew to see there reactions .. knowing the will would set things stright if he trusted them after

i dont think he ever got the chance to tell julia the truth becaise dick holmes killed him ...

why cover up when waltz died ..?

that says it all right there ...

You are assuming that no one else knows, however amigo you do not know what I know. I am not about to make it public, either.

What reason would Holmes have to murder the dying Waltz? That part of this theory is especially inexplicable to me; especially since Holmes did not know the location of the mine, he would have every reason to keep Waltz breathing and alive as long as possible. Why should Waltz have told Holmes everything, if he were not dying? There was another man in the room at the time too, (Roberts) so trying to kill the dying man would have meant a witness to murder. You are also working off the assumption that the Holmes manuscript is not what it purports to be, but is something entirely different <a will> without any evidence to support that contention other than your own reasoning. Sorry but I have to say (respectfully of course) as interesting and logical as this theory is, I remain unconvinced. Now if you had a document which supported your contention that Holmes did such a job of editing/rewriting Waltz's last will and testament, I would have to take another look at your theory.

If your next trip should happen to coincide with ours, I would be happy to take a look at your site if you should choose to show it to me; however you already know what I need to see - even if I were the one who holds the secret - without the ore comparison match it won't prove the site is the LDM. So you could prove the case to me, without ever having to show me a thing - not even a photo, if your ore sample should match the Waltz gold ore. I would sure love to see some photos however, especially of the guns which you said you saw. They might help prove your case, if they could be shown to be the same type owned by specific men. On the other hand, to me, it does not matter all that much if a rich gold mine is called the Lost Dutchman or the Easter Bunny mine, the gold is what I am after not the fame of being "the" finder.

You had mentioned some time ago, about finding a ball court. I am still curious about that, perhaps you may find enough trust to share the location? You can rest assured that I am not about to start hacking it up to haul it away, nor could anyone for that matter but the site may well be very important, historically speaking.

Good luck and good hunting amigo, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Don't believe bb ever mentioned seeing a gun........until you posted your picture. His story evolves with every post someone else makes. Still want to know whatever became of the Sparkletts bottles full of Nitro'.

The ball court was one of his nicer touches. Can't help but wonder if the Lakers were playin the night he posted that one.

Whole thing has an Alice In Wonderland feel to it. Reckon the next chapter will bring forth an ancient tribe of white rabbits.......

Take care,

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

Oro said:

He had not been to visit his mine for some time prior to his old age, so it is likely that years had elapsed;

If it really had been years since Waltz had been at the mine last, and if it turned out to be true that someone else had been working the mine as well, what's the chance that the mine, caches and landmarks Waltz tried to describe to Julia and Rhiney were still in the same condition?

Perhaps that's why the mine has never been found - things didn't match Waltz's descriptions closely enough anymore for whatever reason.

Oh well - just a thought.

And BB - I missed you for the last few months, so took you off ignore again. I give you credit for thinking outside of the box as far as the Holme's Manuscript goes, but tell me if you would - you appear to be trying to interpret the document exactly as it's printed in Dr. Glover's book, is that correct?

So I assume you believe Jacob Waltz wrote all of this down (word for word) for Dick Holmes after Julia left to get the Doctor because Waltz was dying. After he got the document, he killed Waltz, stole the gold under the bed and started looking for the mine. Eventually Dick passed that document down to Brownie who in turn gave a copy in 1944 to Higham who donated it to the Arizona State Archives where it sat until it was discovered and put in Dr. Glover's book.

Just checking to see if I'm on the same page as you so far.

 

[Cubfan64]

You had mentioned some time ago, about finding a ball court. I am still curious about that, perhaps you may find enough trust to share the location? You can rest assured that I am not about to start hacking it up to haul it away, nor could anyone for that matter but the site may well be very important, historically speaking.

He posted the exact location at least 2 years ago - when Gossamer was around and showed some interest in the ball court idea. I'll see if I can find the post if it hasn't been edited or deleted. I recall roughly where it was - someone pointed out the hillside to me when I was out hiking there once - Joe will probably remember that the site was right off the trail not far from the Peralta Trailhead. I may be mistaken, but I think the main reason he believed it was a ballcourt was because of the visions he had of natives using bloody heads as "balls."

Perhaps BB remembers and can clarify if/where I'm wrong.

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigo Paul!

Good question - did someone else find the mine and open it up? The cow barn was a surprise for Waltz, so there is reason to think that things had changed, significantly, in the time between his last visit and the time when he was trying to tell his friends how to get there.

As for our new theory from Blindbowman, it hinges on a number of 'ifs' one of which would mean that Waltz had penned the whole story, in English. Or that Holmes somehow translated it, and as far as I know Holmes did not speak German. Could Waltz write in English? I sure don't know.

Cactusjumper wrote

Roy,

Don't believe bb ever mentioned seeing a gun........until you posted your picture. His story evolves with every post someone else makes. Still want to know whatever became of the Sparkletts bottles full of Nitro'.

The ball court was one of his nicer touches. Can't help but wonder if the Lakers were playin the night he posted that one. dontknow

Whole thing has an Alice In Wonderland feel to it. Reckon the next chapter will bring forth an ancient tribe of white rabbits....... laughing7

Blindbowman's theories have certainly gone through a number of evolutions, to say the least. What makes it difficult to accept (for me at least) is that some part of the information which he "sees" or has "knowledge" of, is based on what he perceives from some sort of psychic phenomenon, which is impossible to verify. Basically I get the impression that he, himself does not really understand what it is that he found, and has been sort of "shoe-fitting" various theories to get a fit. It is a different approach than I would take, but quien sabe? Perhaps he has indeed found something - but until he is willing (and able) to share considerably more details, we are left puzzling.

Cubfan wrote

He posted the exact location at least 2 years ago - when Gossamer was around and showed some interest in the ball court idea. I'll see if I can find the post if it hasn't been edited or deleted. I recall roughly where it was - someone pointed out the hillside to me when I was out hiking there once - Joe will probably remember that the site was right off the trail not far from the Peralta Trailhead. I may be mistaken, but I think the main reason he believed it was a ballcourt was because of the visions he had of natives using bloody heads as "balls."

Perhaps BB remembers and can clarify if/where I'm wrong.

I failed to catch the location when it was posted. If anyone has it, I would appreciate the info, won't be able to take a look at it (on the ground) for some time, but it sounds interesting. I've always been a bit learee of leaving a vehicle at the Peralta trailhead and have never hiked in from that trail. I can't imagine where a full-size ancient Indian ball court would fit in that terrain however.
Roy

 

[Blindbowman]

i am sorry i do have a life out side this web site .. i had to do some dishes....maybe i will answer this latter ..

sorry a hot egg roll is dangerous to eat ...

now let me ask you all a question what did you really think would happen if someone found the mine ...?

 

[Oroblanco]

i am sorry i do have a life out side this web site .. i had to do some dishes....maybe i will answer this latter ..

WHAT?!!! What on Earth could be more important, than our little debates here amigo? Surely a few dirty dishes can't be the cause of an interruption! (heh heh ) Just kidding amigo, you know me well enough to know that I am never in a hurry about anything, so there is never a need to rush a reply to me. When you get round to it, will be soon enough.

I like to take my time in answering our posts anyway, gives me a chance to think about what has been said and to choose my words. It is why I never have enjoyed the "hot" type of discussion you have as in the chat rooms or instant messaging; there is no time to look up a reference or think carefully about a concept. Sorry for drifting so far off-topic.

Actually since our topic is "Diversions,Dead Ends and Wild Cards" the question may well be posed whether the Holmes manuscript itself may not be qualified as one of these things? If it is in fact a garbled set of instructions as received from Waltz, then they very probably cannot lead anyone to the Lost Dutchman gold mine unless purely by sheer accident. The same could be said of the set of directions from Julia and Reiney for that matter, if they had gotten the information garbled in some way, the results will be the same. Considering how many different Dutch hunters have had the same result of NOT finding the Lost Dutchman gold mine, the evidence certainly suggests that our main sources may well be classed as "Diversions,Dead Ends and Wild Cards".

That said, I still consider Sims Ely as our prime resource, and we cannot utterly disregard Holmes either, though his actions speak louder than the manuscript. Why for instance, was Holmes looking for the Dutchman mine way out by Picket Post, if we are really supposed to be looking within a few miles of Weaver's Needle? Does that make a lot of sense to you? Thank you in advance,

My general patience for replies (and most things) no longer applies in my wait for Don Jose's upcoming book on Tayopa, and yes amigo I will keep on bugging you now until we get at least an introductory chapter or three!
Oroblanco

 

[Blindbowman]

Blindbowman's theories have certainly gone through a number of evolutions, to say the least. What makes it difficult to accept (for me at least) is that some part of the information which he "sees" or has "knowledge" of, is based on what he perceives from some sort of psychic phenomenon, which is impossible to verify. Basically I get the impression that he, himself does not really understand what it is that he found, and has been sort of "shoe-fitting" various theories to get a fit. It is a different approach than I would take, but quien sabe? Perhaps he has indeed found something - but until he is willing (and able) to share considerably more details, we are left puzzling.

remote veiwing is only a tool and so is AP even if you are one of the best in the world at it ..i dont think i found the LDM . i know i did .. you guys dont under stand it because i am looking into the box and your trying to look out of the box .. i am rebuilding the legends around what i know is fact even if no one else under stands what those facts are ..

i think the bearing and range to the ma mine that is on the stone is clear evidence when translated and ploted correctly and i dont mean a dagger pointing north .. sorry joe .. i know you have put a lot of time in but your wrong ..

i have 29 sites . the mine is miles away from the ball cort area .. i told scott would about the two locations ...he has no idea where the mine location is ...
and he wont lol ..and you are correct Oro i still dont know what some of the things i have found are ..

its like the ageing spell one day i am looking at a site and the next day i translate some simbolics and i got this wild ageing spell created by the chichimen shamen
i got things that scare even me and i dont scare easy

yes i have question .. why dose the little lizard boy not look human when all the other drawings do .. how did the belphmet drawing get on that wall ...

this one site with the 7 caves is very very dangerous . and you can not step with out looking first and then you better be sure the first time ..

ya i got some issues with that site the same with the mine site i was at the mine i set down to rest and a indain teen ager walked right past me with out saying anything .. he did not even look at me ..

i dont under stand that ether . and how about the shaman talking in tounges and wanring me to stay away ...i have lots of question still .. but where the LDM isa is not one of the things i want to know .. i already found it .. now dose the ageing spell work .. i see some odd resaults so far .. but i never stoped ageing before for so i really dont know what to think at this point .. i can tell you something .. everything at 4 of the sites is diffrent from any other location out there
they have their own magnetic feilds and they react just like some kind of time warp ..


i ask you all for help and you gave me more dum a** questions

maybe i know so much at this point the question feel like a waste of time for me .. i dont think the way the rest of you do ..

you cant go to the site with out haveing someone watch your back .. its to dangerous there .. waltz was not jokeing about that .. its a secert site and it has its own gost and spirits .. i dont know any other site like this in the world

the mine site is kind of boruing next to the chicomoztoc site .. i like that site and its even more dangerous then the others ...

so ya i got a lot of questions to .. but none of you act like you have the answers . and i at lest have some idea where to find the answers ..

honest straight up answer .. on my father grave .." yes i found the LDM "..the real LDM and yes i can prove it
..."
i ask some of you if you wanted to help me and all the jokes and BS started ..


i under stand why .. but you dont realize i am telling you i have found the real LDM mine and you are all so much enjoying the games you dont realize i am telling you the truth ...

i got to get me some coffie