Did you know it is illegal to keep feathers?

A guy was in court up here in the mountains.Seems he shot a pelican.When in court the judge asked him why he shot it.He explained that his kids were hungry and he could find no work.The judge dismissed the charge with a warning.
Outside the courthouse the judge was heard asking the guy what pelican tasted like.The guy said,and I quote,"kind of a cross between bald eagle and spotted owl"
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I have some knowledge of all this, having almost got busted for it. There is like an underground market in certain feathers and some people make a lot of money out of it. This is an Indian thing, not some new age hippie dream catcher thing. You can apply to the feds for eagle or hawk feathers, and it's a long waiting list, and I never knew anybody who did. But you can if you want to be legal. In the 80's the feds conducted a sting in Oklahoma on feathers. My buddy's grandpa, who made feather fans and peyote articles for museums, church people, and trading to other Indians, and we supplied the feathers to him, got scared and buried all his feathers out in the yard. Lot of other people did too. What the feds were workin on was the sale of controlled feathers to collectors. Particularly white European collectors. West Germans have the biggest fixation on the old West and Indians I have ever seen, and will pay top dollar for 'authentic native american artifacts'. We thought the feds would come for us, but they weren't really concerned with Indian trade. Not that I would ever break the law, but in an alternate universe you could figure that me and my Kiowa-Apache brother would go out and shoot hawks and eagles, supply feathers to an elder who couldn't get them himself anymore, and he could preserve tribal tradition and make a little spare change. Of course that would be illegal in the here and now. And I apologize to the Navahoes who really liked the Mississippi Kite feathers (we call it Rain Crow), as I heard that guy ain't doin that no more.
 

I don't think your average CO could identify an eagle feather. If I found an eagle feather, I would keep it. But I wouldn't stick it in my cowboy hat, and wear it to my local deer check-in station.

Well, now the powers that be went one step further and it's way to far.

You can no longer say, "a feather in your cap", without being arrested, or heavily fined.
 

I dont mean to sound like a jerk but I was trying tell people about what I learned last year at an eagle and raptor seminar. Just trying to spread the word so no one gets in trouble. Besides I keep most feathers I find. Like I said before game bird feathers can be taken like turkey, pheasant and grouse. Most fly tie feathers are dyed pheasant or ostrich feathers atleast from what I have seen.
 

Thanks everyone for there input. I love hearing stories about people.
 

Sorry Super Chicken Nugget Your Out Of Here!!! Chug We Cant keep Feathers!!!

Actually His name Is Rocky And He Is Cool!!! For a Bird, Every day at 1200 Peoples Court Comes on And He Goes Crazy like this Watch the Whole Video This Goes On Every time It Starts and Between Comercials!!! Chug


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I can tell you first hand what they can and will do. It happened to me!
When i lived in Colorado, Dolores to be exact. I found an eagle feather in the woods, brought it home, stuck it on the top of a picture hanging on the wall and thought nothing of it. About a month later i see a game Worden just outside my property sitting on the road with binoculars looking at my home about 500 yards in. I thought that's odd and started walking towards him and he drove off? Well he showed up a couple days later with a sheriff and a search warrant for my home on the basis they could see the eagle feather through the window. Sheriff kept me detained while the Worden went through my house looking for anything else. Will i just moved from Kodiak Alaska and had some walrus Ivor and other artifacts that i legally obtained from native Americans. unfortunately when your commercial fishing on the Aleutian chain running into Aleuts they trade stuff and don't give receipts so the Worden took it all with numerous threats about what they could do to me. longer story short, I did not get fined but i did loose a lot more then a feather.
 

That really sucks man. That ivory is worth alot and is hard to find. When I was up there a few years ago I remember native guys selling whale baleen on the side of the road in small towns for tourists. I miss it, Alaska that is.
 

That really sucks man. That ivory is worth alot and is hard to find. When I was up there a few years ago I remember native guys selling whale baleen on the side of the road in small towns for tourists. I miss it, Alaska that is.

I hear ya brother, I would go back in a heart beat if i could afford to uproot the family.
That's what started me MD'ing hoping to find the lucky break. As you can see i still live in Texas. Keeping the faith :thumbsup:
 

I learned last year that it is illegal to keep any feathers from any migratory bird. The exceptions are species that can be hunted. it is also illegal to posses a birds nest. If you want to keep feathers or nests you need a permit from the government. I always knew it was illegal to keep anything from a raptor like hawks and eagles but little song bird feathers, come on!

We had a career day for our students years ago. A federal game warden had all these confiscated items and told the kids basically what you stated. I never knew that and went home to remove my eagle feather from my cowboy hat. The man mentioned stiff finds, jail time and the like. Sort of shocked me. I had friends in West Texas that hunted(shot, killed, obliterated) eagles from helicopters because they ate baby lambs out in the pastures. Lots of protected critters here in Texas. I bet most folks don't know...
 

Alot of guys around here have shot hawks because they kill the pheasants. It is amazing how many hawks are in my area, driving down the highway there is one on every other telephone pole.
 

That was good info to pass on arnofarrell and thanks. The law was intended to prevent wholesale slaughter of migratory birds, which is a good deal, but it shouldn't really apply to shed feathers. Hopefully no one will wind up in prison and have to tell their cellmate they're in for molesting a hummingbird.
 

First off, I believe the bald eagle has been remover from the endangered species list. No I have never shot an eagle.

Now, I have about 50 nests on my farm, do I need a license for them? LOL

While prospecting out west, I ran into a fellow prospector who was of Indian descent. He asked how I was doing. I said no luck. He gave me an owl feather for luck. I found several nuggets the following day. I still have that black and white striped feather in my motorhome. Frank... 6 06-2 YELLOWSTONE 056-1.webp
 

Like RGINN said is also my understanding that there is a depository for Eagle feathers and if you find one (I'm not sure how you can find one and not be guilty of possession) turn the feather in and apply for a feather. Also they don't care if you get YOUR feather or one from someone else.

I acquired a peyote fan some 30 years ago but was made with duck feathers. It seems if the Eagle is not on the endangered list feather possession should be ok.
There is a little minnow in the Rio Grande that makes a lot of fuss. I know it's not the minnow but the little fish is a barometer for the health (or sickness) of the river. There used to be five species of the minnow and now there is one.

It's probably easier to get away with a crime than a feather.
 

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Like RGINN said is also my understanding that there is a depository for Eagle feathers and if you find one (I'm not sure how you can find one and not be guilty of possession) turn the feather in and apply for a feather. Also they don't care if you get YOUR feather or one from someone else.

I acquired a peyote fan some 30 years ago but was made with duck feathers. It seems if the Eagle is not on the endangered list feather possession should be ok.
There is a little minnow in the Rio Grande that makes a lot of fuss. I know it's not the minnow but the little fish is a barometer for the health (or sickness) of the river. There used to be five species of the minnow and now there is one.

It's probably easier to get away with a crime than a feather.

It's called a snaildarter and it is on the list. Frank

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It's called a snaildarter and it is on the list. Frank

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This one's called the Silvery Minnow. I think I've also heard of the Snaildarter. I don't recall it being in the Rio Grande but I'm no expert. The river has been so low in the past 15 years it's hard to call it a river except for it's length. Now the water wars begin.
My wife was a Boy Scout leader for 6 years and told me the Scouts were allowed to use Eagle feathers in ceremonies in New Hampshire. I'm not sure how that works as they are not a religion and eagles are not part of non-native culture.
 

Snail Darter stopped the building of a TVA damn several years ago on The Little Tennessee River.
On September 25, 1979, Jimmy Carter signed the bill that exempted Tellico from the Endangered Species Act.

Snail darter controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


That snail darter never had much flavor but they sure went crazy over it. I mean who really likes TVA and their dams,pollution and their largest environmental disaster coal ash spills anyways.Grrr. I need to lighten up :tongue3: Here is an Osprey we photographed Sunday. There were many of its feathers under the nest but the female is on eggs right now. So I am not allowed to pick up a fallen feather? That is kinda ridiculous.
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Another simple thing in life convoluted by governemt regulation!
It is legal - but--- it's illegal...


It is legal to sell certain duck feathers for fly tying if legally taken with all the right tags and a dozen rules followed correctly... It is illegal to dust a red tail hawk to make a hat band! (BTW- 85% of all birds in the US are covered under the Migratory Acts...)

Two pieces of info below to help you figure it out:


50 CFR 20: SUBPART J -- FEATHERS OR SKINS
§ 20.91 Commercial use of feathers.
Any person may possess, purchase, sell, barter, or transport for the making of fishing flies, bed pillows, and mattresses, and for similar commercial uses the feathers of migratory waterfowl (ducks, geese, brant, and swans) killed by hunting pursuant to this part, or seized and condemned by Federal or State game authorities, except that: (a) No person shall purchase, sell, barter, or offer to purchase, sell, or barter for millinery or ornamental use the feathers of migratory game birds taken under authority of this part; and (b) No person shall purchase, sell, barter, or offer to purchase, sell, or barter mounted specimens of migratory game birds taken under authority of this part.

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http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/about/faqs/birds/feathers.htm
Possession of Migratory Birds, Including Feathers, Nests, and Eggs

A type of question that we commonly get involves well meaning people who want to rescue young or injured birds, secure feathers for artwork, or salvage eggs or nests for various purposes.

Anyone desiring to possess migratory birds or their parts or products should be aware that all of these are covered under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16U.S.C. 703-712), which implements a series of international treaties designed to protect migratory birds.

Some key provisions of the Act are worth keeping in mind:
•Wording of the Act makes it very clear that most actions that result in "taking" or possession of a protected species or its parts or products is a violation of the Act. Specifically, the Act states:
"Unless and except as permitted by regulations, …it shall be unlawful at any time, by any means, or in any manner…to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, …possess, offer for sale, sell, …purchase, import…any migratory bird, any part, nest, or eggs of any such bird…"

•It is a "strict-liability" law, meaning that there is no requirement for law enforcement agencies to prove "intent" to violate the law. That is, if you are found in possession of a protected species or its parts or products, you are automatically in violation of the law.
•The provisions of the Act are nearly absolute; "...except as permitted by regulations ..." is the only exception. Some examples of permitted activities that do not violate the law are legal hunting of specific game birds, legitimate research activities, display in licensed zoological gardens, and bird banding under an appropriate permit.
•The Act covers the great majority (83%) of all native birds found in the U.S. Many of the species not covered by the Act are covered by the Endangered Species Act , other Federal laws, or state laws, many of which are as stringent as the Migratory Bird Treaty Act . In the lower 48 states, all species except the house sparrow, feral pigeon, common starling, and non-migratory game birds like pheasants, gray partridge, and sage grouse, are protected.
•Penalties upon conviction can be severe. Even if a sympathetic jury finds that you meant no harm in trying to rear an abandoned nestling or in picking a hawk feather, legal defense costs are clearly not worth the risk.

In summary: your best approach is to take a hands off approach...look but don't collect. If you find an injured bird or abandoned nestling, call the local game warden before you pick it up. (If this seems cruel, take a minute and read the FAQ entitled "How do I care for an abandoned nestling?")

Most of the above information is taken almost verbatim from a short paper entitled Birders And U.S. Federal Law, by Craig Faanes, Cleveland Vaughn Jr., and Jonathan Andrew. In addition to material covered above, their paper contains a thought-provoking discussion of other types of behavior by bird lovers that can run afoul of federal law, and is worth taking a few minutes to read.

In addition, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's Migratory Bird Management Office offers A Guide to the Laws and Treaties of the United States for Protecting Migratory Birds.
 

I'm a criminal and didn't know it when I used to hunt for Mourning Doves. What about you guys who hunt Canadian Geese or Ducks? Will Bird Hunting become a thing of the past?
I'm more of a Quail hunter now. I really think it's only concerns the Eagles both Bald or Golden Eagles and only the Native American Indians have access to the feathers. I guess White men aren't allowed to own a Indian headdress.
 

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