DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

[Treasure_Hunter]

There are over 60 million gun holders, if only 10% rebelled you would have over 6 million and I think 10% is a very conservative number, but that is just a guess, there are a lot and I mean a lot of hunters in this country that are fit and gun owners, used to being in the wooods, hunting, surviving in the woods....

Dont get me wrong, the last thing I want is to see this go that far......I am saying the possibility is there and people need to realize that.... This is not just a few angry people, there are millions of concerned citizens. The combination of obamacare, 2nd amendment and the drones issue with obama saying he has the right to kill Americans with drones has a lot of citizens thinking it is on the verge of approching a line in the sand, I am sincerely hoping it doesnt get pushed over the line.......

The FBI director being question and asked if drones could be used on citizens in this country, his reply was he would have to check with his boss and get back with the answer was not the correct answer, it scared a lot of people and made a lot of people angry. me being one of them........

 

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[austin]

Guys, maybe DHS just got a good deal by buying in bulk and they figured they would avoid the rush at Walmart when AR's are banned...

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

TH: Respectfully, I think I read in one of your posts that you believed there was a 50/50 chance of this ending in blood. I agree with you that our Military would not fire on US civilians. Assuming this is the case...what type of blood shed are you thinking about in this 50/50 chance?

Again, respectfully,

Crispin

I believe I can answer this one! See the 50/50 chance of ending in bloodshed will be 50% foriegn troops blood and 50% government blood!! So that makes it 50/50 in bloodshed!!

 

[Backbacon]

You never know maybe there is another oil driven invasion planned in the middle east? That's a ton of bullets.

 

[0121stockpicker]

You never know maybe there is another oil driven invasion planned in the middle east? That's a ton of bullets.

Has any taken the time to check to see if this size of an order is even anything unusual?? It's deception 101 to throw out a big huge number to blow people away but my guess is that gov agencies and the military use an boat load if ammo.

Before being thrown by big numbers its always best just to put the numbers into context. And prob the best context would be to see what the average order has been or what the yearly usage rate is. Thoughts.

 

[onfire]

Has any taken the time to check to see if this size of an order is even anything unusual?? It's deception 101 to throw out a big huge number to blow people away but my guess is that gov agencies and the military use an boat load if ammo.

Before being thrown by big numbers its always best just to put the numbers into context. And prob the best context would be to see what the average order has been or what the yearly usage rate is. Thoughts.

: Compare this to, for example, the war in Iraq. Where 5.5 million rounds per month were fired at its height. That equates to 66 million rounds per year in wartime. This then, further, equates to roughly seven years of war against US citizens at an “Iraq-type” expenditure
The bottom line is this: over the last 10 months, 1.625 BILLION rounds of ammunition have been ordered by DHS — your federal government. Not state governments. Not county governments. Not city governments.The federal government out-thought both the law enforcement and the civilian aspect of ammunition importance

 

[0121stockpicker]

: Compare this to, for example, the war in Iraq. Where 5.5 million rounds per month were fired at its height. That equates to 66 million rounds per year in wartime. This then, further, equates to roughly seven years of war against US citizens at an “Iraq-type” expenditure
The bottom line is this: over the last 10 months, 1.625 BILLION rounds of ammunition have been ordered by DHS — your federal government. Not state governments. Not county governments. Not city governments.The federal government out-thought both the law enforcement and the civilian aspect of ammunition importance

Is there a breakdown if what agencies the ammo went to? I believe the coast guard is now part of dhs for instance and I would argue they are probably "at war" as much as any of the military branches given they are the primary force tasked at stopping drug runners, etc.

 

[davest]

we are always at war, it's already been said by a different administration that the war on terror will last into the foreseeable future. heck, war is our major export as far as I'm concerned and we're gonna need a bunch of ammo and guns to be ever vigilant to the invaders on our shores and borders.

 

[0121stockpicker]

we are always at war, it's already been said by a different administration that the war on terror will last into the foreseeable future. heck, war is our major export as far as I'm concerned and we're gonna need a bunch of ammo and guns to be ever vigilant to the invaders on our shores and borders.

I have no problem with that //---

Si vis pacem, para bellum

 

[Red James Cash]

Is there a breakdown if what agencies the ammo went to? I believe the coast guard is now part of dhs for instance and I would argue they are probably "at war" as much as any of the military branches given they are the primary force tasked at stopping drug runners, etc.

The problem with the coast guard theory is that the coast guards main armament on ship doesnt take pistol ammo or hollowpoint ammo which is what DHS has been buying.Stopping drug runners,if you had a .50 cal or M16 handy on board ship would you use a pistol.

 

[0121stockpicker]

The problem with the coast guard theory is that the coast guards main armament on ship doesnt take pistol ammo or hollowpoint ammo which is what DHS has been buying.Stopping drug runners,if you had a .50 cal or M16 handy on board ship would you use a pistol.

I guess it would then also not be the same ammo that I would choose if I was going to enslave the population of the county or take away peoples rights?

 

[0121stockpicker]

From foxnews.com




Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.
But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.
"Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.
The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.
The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."
Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits.
But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.
"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.
The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.
As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.
Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.
"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.
According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...er-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/#ixzz2LClDvTGO

 

[Red James Cash]

I guess it would then also not be the same ammo that I would choose if I was going to enslave the population of the county or take away peoples rights?

The hollowpoints main purpose is to kill.

 

[Crispin]

From foxnews.com




Obscure federal agencies triggered a firestorm of conspiracy theories this week after they put out orders for thousands of rounds of deadly hollow-point bullets.
But the agencies, most recently the Social Security Administration, are trying to put a damper on the speculation -- noting the ammunition is "standard issue" and simply used for mandatory federal training sessions.
"Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately," said a message on the official blog for Social Security's inspector general office explaining the purchases.
The bullet purchases drew widespread attention as the website Infowars.com published several stories on them that were linked off the widely read Drudge Report and other sites. Infowars.com catalogued a string of recent purchases -- first by the Department of Homeland Security, then by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and then the Social Security Administration.
The Social Security Administration solicitation, posted Aug. 7, called for 174,000 rounds of ".357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition."
Infowars.com speculated that the purchases were being made in preparation for "civil unrest," imagining a scenario of economic collapse where seniors could cause "disorder" if denied their Social Security benefits.
But the Social Security Administration statement, posted Thursday, noted that their agents need firearms and ammo in the course of training, investigations and responding to threats against offices and employees.
"As we said in a recent post, our office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA's programs," the office said.
The agency said it has 295 special agents across 66 offices in the country. "These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests," the statement said.
As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, found itself scrambling to respond to a similar report this week about an order for 46,000 rounds of ammo. Though the agency initially indicated it was for the National Weather Service -- leading to questions about why the National Weather Service could possibly need so many bullets -- a spokesman clarified the bullets are actually meant for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. A "clerical error" resulted in the order saying the ammo was for the weather service.
Spokesman Scott Smullen said the error's been fixed in the bidding system. He, too, said the ammo is "standard issue" and will be used by 63 enforcement personnel at NOAA during qualifications and training sessions.
"NOAA officers and agents enforce the nation's ocean and fishing laws to ensure a level playing field for fishermen and to protect marine species like whales, dolphins and turtles," he said.
According to NOAA, the specialized agents are supposed to have 200 rounds in their "duty bag," and qualification and training requires another 500-600 rounds per agent.


Read more: Agencies tamp down speculation over hollow-point ammo purchases | Fox News

Someone around here is starting to sound a little too much like a Pinko Commie Liberal for my tastes.

 

[Red James Cash]

As for concern about the type of bullets -- hollow points, which expand upon impact -- the statement said the type is "standard issue" and is used during "mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions."

This part right here is nothing but a big bunch of B.S.Nobody does qualifying or training using hollowpoint ammo.Every time my brother goes to qualify he uses hardball.

 

[releventchair]

15 million a year used by h.s. for training. Other portion of order for customs and immigration.
Claims of mr. Jones misunderstanding order codes that would cause him to have higher figures.
H.s. ordered 7000 fully auto rifles for self defence last year.
All this unconfirmed info off goggle. Another claim of numbers being ordered(a figure over 1.6 billion) in 10 mos time.
More confusion added by who ammo comes from/through.
Sam is buying and using i,m confident of that.

 

[0121stockpicker]

The hollowpoints main purpose is to kill.

I would hope their guns arent fake or for show. I would not want armed federal employees with blanks?

 

[0121stockpicker]

15 million a year used by h.s. for training. Other portion of order for customs and immigration.
Claims of mr. Jones misunderstanding order codes that would cause him to have higher figures.
H.s. ordered 7000 fully auto rifles for self defence last year.
All this unconfirmed info off goggle. Another claim of numbers being ordered(a figure over 1.6 billion) in 10 mos time.
More confusion added by who ammo comes from/through.
Sam is buying and using i,m confident of that.

I would be more concerned if our government was not "buying and using" wouldn't you. I believe protection of this country is one of the primary purposes of the federal government.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Someone around here is starting to sound a little too much like a Pinko Commie Liberal for my tastes.

When even fox news basically starts calling people conspiracy nuts ....

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Any one that knows anything about guns knows you do not use hollow point for target training, the cost per bullet is a lot higher.... You can use FMJ get the same quality of training and save a fortune in cost per bullet...... I carry hollow points in my pistols only for protection, when I target practice I remove them and use FMJ...