Deus 2 can be operated to be a better monster around and in iron - HOW?

[tnsharpshooter]

Try the following.
Run FMF program with max freq 40 KHz.
I run version 2.0.
Sens FT works well.

Turn disc to zero.
Run notch at starting points 02 or 03 or 04. Notch. Needs to rid iron range so extend notch To at least 07.
Stop your notch wherever you decide.

When you hear signal with a 01, 02 or 03 in meter. Turn on targets. See if signal gets better and pitch of signal increases. If it does. DIG.

Have fun.

Cheers.

 

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[pepperj]

Try the following.
Run FMF program with max freq 40 KHz.
I run version 2.0.
Sens FT works well.

Turn disc to zero.
Run notch at starting points 02 or 03 or 04. Notch. Needs to rid iron range so extend notch To at least 07.
Stop your notch wherever you decide.

When you hear signal with a 01, 02 or 03 in meter. Turn on targets. See if signal gets better and pitch of signal increases. If it does. DIG.

Have fun.

Cheers.

Version 2.0?
When did they come out with that version as I was just checking and they still just have the 1.1

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Xp owner responds to a video I sent showing a non traditional way to run Deus 2 to locate some nonferrous finds in/near iron.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Version 2.0 is available.
Hook your Deus to up to their cloud site. You’ll see it.

 

[Emil W]

I think V 2.0 is for adding the Xtrem Hunter coils, or does the update also add other features usable with the standard coils?

 

[robertk]

I think V 2.0 is for adding the Xtrem Hunter coils, or does the update also add other features usable with the standard coils?

That's the main thing they added, but I tend to assume there are other bug fixes that don't make the headline. (I'm 100% certain that happens in regular computer software, so I assume it could be the case here too.)

 

[Emil W]

Just checked the XP site to see what the V 2.0 update changes; the main purpose for the update is to add the interface for the Xtrem Hunter coil, plus these two other "fixes"...

"Gold field program: Increased Sensitivity to small targets (low conductors).
Equalizer now functions with the Bone Conduction headphones."

Nothing else mentioned.

For me, since I have virtually no use for the Gold field program, nor will I ever use the bone conduction headphones, I don't plan on updating to 2.0.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

 

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[tnsharpshooter]

 

[Ed_DE]

Try the following.
Run FMF program with max freq 40 KHz.
I run version 2.0.
Sens FT works well.

Turn disc to zero.
Run notch at starting points 02 or 03 or 04. Notch. Needs to rid iron range so extend notch To at least 07.
Stop your notch wherever you decide.

When you hear signal with a 01, 02 or 03 in meter. Turn on targets. See if signal gets better and pitch of signal increases. If it does. DIG.

Have fun.

Cheers.

Thanks TnSharpshooter for your videos.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Thanks TnSharpshooter for your videos.

You are quite welcome.
Won a see some more…
Here’s some more below.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

 

[tnsharpshooter]

 

[pepperj]

Could you be so kind to write out the program settings.
I have a real hard time understanding what you're saying.
It's totally me, I haven't got a good grip on your accent.
Basically what program and what has been tweaked.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Could you be so kind to write out the program settings.
I have a real hard time understanding what you're saying.
It's totally me, I haven't got a good grip on your accent.
Basically what program and what has been tweaked.

Sure.

I will post a detailed post here explaining what I think I know.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Folks wanting to try the Sharpshooter Bird dog program….some details.

It’s not necessarily a program per se. Just some changes for Disc, Silencer and Notch. Can be used in any program expect gold field and Relic programs. Even be used on salt water beaches.

I did do a video about this and sent to Xp detectors owner. Evidently he either already knew about or tested what I showed in the video I sent him. Either way he says this is a good idea.

Folks running Xp Deus 2 all versions running programs that have disc setup (all programs Except Relic and Gold field) that have 40 max freq capabilities. Meaning some programs on versions .6 and .071 won’t be good at.

Use of 40 kHz max freq recommended. Some Bird Dog performance can be had using 24 kHz max freq band.

What does the Bird Dog setup allow for?
Users of Deus 2 can get audio/meter info combined on more masked targets from an all angles of approach versus using Deus 2 conventionally using 6.8 disc or even slightly less disc. More angles of approach means higher chance of detecting masked targets. The Bird Dog setup CAN allow for detection of nonferrous targets masked whereby the same located targets will yield little to no info using more traditional 6.8 disc or thereabouts.

Before I continue. Little bit about myself. I am retired USAF veteran with 22 years service with primary background in avionics.
I started detecting in Dec 2010. And boy oh boy I have really put the coils to the soil since. I have tested metal detectors and or firmware version updates for 3 different major detector manufacturers. This was done at the manufacturers request not mine.

I eventually started doing videos via YouTube and posting. Showing metal detectors, their ops, testing and some of the real digs. I when testing show quite a few videos showing detectors being operated on top of styrofoam and wooden blocks. And in doing so face pd a lot of ridicule from some - they were saying these tests useless/baseless. Of course I disagree. As many times I see same or similar behavior when in the wild using the actual detectors. It was using this talked about styrofoam where I discovered the what I later named the Bird Dog setup.

So how did .I discover? Actually I was looking at Minelab Manticore and looking hard at its behavior and thinking about XP Deus 2.
Seems Xp Deus 2 reports iron in a more narrow span ID wise. So I was looking at it. I placed a nail down swept. Adjusted silencer, Watched ID of nail. Then adjusted disc. Watching all of this. I kept thinking after sweeping nail, I place a nickel and watch ID. Then a silver dime and watch ID. Seems Deus 2 when doing this using 40 kHz max program always seems to ID as 1. So seeing this one might think. Ok. All I need to do is go to expert notch and remove the 1 segment and machine would give high tone maybe versus iron tone- using 6.8 disc. Well, this wouldn’t do what I was trying to achieve. So when I eventually lowered disc to 0.0 = presto with use of notch allowing 1 ID segment yet having to notch 2-7 to eliminate iron tonally.

So in a nutshell. Seems Deus 2 the ID number 1 is very important when it comes to max unmasking capabilities. ID segments 2-3 also can play a role too.
Users of Deus 2 running disc 6.8 will eventually sweep their coil and they will get over a target yielding s 01 in meter with a very short/fine tone that is almost smothered totally in iron tone. Some of these situations experienced by users - the detector is actually detecting a nonferrous find that is highly masked.

A few questions here to help folks out.
Can a user of Xp Deus 2 run disc at 6.8 and achieve equal performance to .sharpshooter Bird dog setup? Nope.

Can a user lower silencer to 0 using 6.8 disc and match or exceed Bird Dog Performance? Nope

Can a user run disc lower than 6.8 disc ( not 0) and run silencer to 0 and match or exceed the Bird Dog program? Nope.

So disc seems needs to be st very very near 0.0, never greater than .5 to get the performance detector platform is capable of.

Could lower than 0.0 disc give any advantage vs a 0.0 disc? I have not seen. Disclaimer I have not used or tested the Bird dog setup in higher mineralized ground. Me saying this I am not presuming this is where lower than 0.0 disc would come into play. IDK

So the name of the game is to get recognizable audio and or ID pattern to giver operator some thing to go on to place odds of both locating s nonferrous masked target (all levels of masking) as well as making a final decision to try to dig and recover.

So running a program with disc and having a 40 kHz max freq one can make Deus 2 be all it can be.
Are all programs on Deus 2 version 2.00 equals in this dept of unmasking? Nope. Or even programs on version 1.10? Nope.

The silencer scales are different on some programs. I.e. Sensitive full tones versions 1.10 and 2.00. Sensitive FT not the same with versions .6 and .071.

So one lowers disc to 0.0, silencer setting does drive the unmasking capabilities. Meaning 1 is bette than 2, 2 is betterthan three when using one program and adjusting silencer.

General program based on my tests falls a bit short. Vs Sens Ft version 2.00. I should say though General program can run stabler in the winter months when ground is wetter.

Can Deus 2 mono program be used to achieve all the Bird Dog setup can do using FMF programs using 40 kHz max freq - assuming same or similar settings applied to mono programs as FMF program? Nope

So with 0.0 disc silencer 1 with notch of 2-7 at least. Using multi tone and pitch tones and full tones.

Reactivity setting not overly critical. I recommend select your speed as you always do for conventional setup with Deus 2 and let the the Bird Dog portion do its thing should one decide to use.

So what can the Bird Dog setup do?
I know this may sound like I am exaggerating…. But imo based on my tests and my experiences and knowledge with vlf metal detectors, Bird Dog use using XP Deus 2 can locate nonferrous masked targets. unlike any vlf detector be it single freq or multi freq to date. Folks thought Deus 2 was good at unmasking. Bird dog setup elevates Deus 2 status even more. Even using small coils on other models will come up short.

So what will user be seeing and hearing using Bird Dog setup? First of all most iron (nails) reads 3-4-5. Silencer setting can drive this. Users should opt to run no higher than 2 silencer any program they decide to use. A level 2 silencer seems to give some performance on lower conductive items,, lower to level 1 silencer both higher and lower conductor performs happens. Disc must be at or very near 0.0.

The number 1 ID segment must be opened at least. Users may decide to open up both number 1 and #2 ID segments.

So basically one will sweep (assuming only #1 ID is open) via notch and #2-7 is notched for ferrous. When the detector sounds off with #1 in meter user can turn on such target and with higher levels ID numbers accepted if nonferrous is present user should expect to hear via tone /ID presented. Folks can get medium sized nail and dime place in middle and beside nail. Sweep detector down the barrel of nail and listen nothing detector behavior. Remove coin and sweep down barrel of nail. Should be silent to little audio given.
This allows for users of deus 2 to approach targets and have better chance to get detection no matter approach angle to target. Versus using conventional setup (6.8 disc). So user may indeed approach target where traditional audio/ID is acquired or thru may approach target and acquire a 1 ID generally stronger reporting signal vs just ferrous giving 1 for ID. As user sees the 1 in meter they will rotate on suspect target and if they don’t hear anything they can dismiss as ferrous. If they hear higher tone they can suspect nonferrous target- Expect ID acquired here to be in error be it I higher of lower conductive target. I am bring this up because user can select dig using bird dog setup. Example. Notch 2-78 good way to look for mask higher conductors like coins.

Some audio behavior/nuance is witnessed when nonferrous target is present when approaching ferrous/target from more difficult direction for detection generally.

So his good is this bird dog setup using Deus 2. Like I already said…killer. Why? Users of Deus 2 using bird dog setup. Users may get highly highly masked nonferrous under their coil whereby all directions of sweeps yields low ID on sweeps I.e. #1. This scenario is exactly how a coin could behave being surrounding by nails. Yeah I know sounds like fiction huh, better think again!!
There is some 3 d unmasking here too,, but this is 3 D whereas say nail and coin are more inline in the vertical with each other not stretched out in the horizontal plane. Also to note, some nail(s) situations under nonferrous objects,, Bird Dog setup can indeed come through with the under target masking and put a user on a find.

Few thing here.
When one lowers disc to 0. And notches say 2-7 for ferrous materials. The number 1 open segment will report in the first nonferrous bin, so using the expert screen one can adjust tone pitch and or tone volume for when objects report #1 in meter. Users electing to use full tones. User can alter full tones offset by dialing up… this will change tone pitch of target situations reporting 1 in meter. Users here can also via using expert screen adjust first nonferrous bin volume of tone should they decide.

I recommend folks to watch my videos. There is good info in them on this subject.

I will entertain any questions ask here and try to answer. If I can’t I won’t. This what the Deus 2 is capable of doing is not fool proof. Neither is use of conventional settings btw.

In closing here. The person who typed this post, started this thread could indeed possess and use the Deus 2 remote that has had the most buttons mashed in the world. And the person doing (myself) may have pushed the most buttons on a deus 2 remote in the world.
And for gee whiz. My remote is still a kicking. Xp makes good stuff I think.

I may have made a grand discovery here. I do think use of this Bird Dog setup will in time allow some users to make some finds in some places they thought were hunted out. Some of these finds could be real shallow too.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

 

[tnsharpshooter]

 

[DigDeepNow]

Folks wanting to try the Sharpshooter Bird dog program….some details.

It’s not necessarily a program per se. Just some changes for Disc, Silencer and Notch. Can be used in any program expect gold field and Relic programs. Even be used on salt water beaches.

I did do a video about this and sent to Xp detectors owner. Evidently he either already knew about or tested what I showed in the video I sent him. Either way he says this is a good idea.

Folks running Xp Deus 2 all versions running programs that have disc setup (all programs Except Relic and Gold field) that have 40 max freq capabilities. Meaning some programs on versions .6 and .071 won’t be good at.

Use of 40 kHz max freq recommended. Some Bird Dog performance can be had using 24 kHz max freq band.

What does the Bird Dog setup allow for?
Users of Deus 2 can get audio/meter info combined on more masked targets from an all angles of approach versus using Deus 2 conventionally using 6.8 disc or even slightly less disc. More angles of approach means higher chance of detecting masked targets. The Bird Dog setup CAN allow for detection of nonferrous targets masked whereby the same located targets will yield little to no info using more traditional 6.8 disc or thereabouts.

Before I continue. Little bit about myself. I am retired USAF veteran with 22 years service with primary background in avionics.
I started detecting in Dec 2010. And boy oh boy I have really put the coils to the soil since. I have tested metal detectors and or firmware version updates for 3 different major detector manufacturers. This was done at the manufacturers request not mine.

I eventually started doing videos via YouTube and posting. Showing metal detectors, their ops, testing and some of the real digs. I when testing show quite a few videos showing detectors being operated on top of styrofoam and wooden blocks. And in doing so face pd a lot of ridicule from some - they were saying these tests useless/baseless. Of course I disagree. As many times I see same or similar behavior when in the wild using the actual detectors. It was using this talked about styrofoam where I discovered the what I later named the Bird Dog setup.

So how did .I discover? Actually I was looking at Minelab Manticore and looking hard at its behavior and thinking about XP Deus 2.
Seems Xp Deus 2 reports iron in a more narrow span ID wise. So I was looking at it. I placed a nail down swept. Adjusted silencer, Watched ID of nail. Then adjusted disc. Watching all of this. I kept thinking after sweeping nail, I place a nickel and watch ID. Then a silver dime and watch ID. Seems Deus 2 when doing this using 40 kHz max program always seems to ID as 1. So seeing this one might think. Ok. All I need to do is go to expert notch and remove the 1 segment and machine would give high tone maybe versus iron tone- using 6.8 disc. Well, this wouldn’t do what I was trying to achieve. So when I eventually lowered disc to 0.0 = presto with use of notch allowing 1 ID segment yet having to notch 2-7 to eliminate iron tonally.

So in a nutshell. Seems Deus 2 the ID number 1 is very important when it comes to max unmasking capabilities. ID segments 2-3 also can play a role too.
Users of Deus 2 running disc 6.8 will eventually sweep their coil and they will get over a target yielding s 01 in meter with a very short/fine tone that is almost smothered totally in iron tone. Some of these situations experienced by users - the detector is actually detecting a nonferrous find that is highly masked.

A few questions here to help folks out.
Can a user of Xp Deus 2 run disc at 6.8 and achieve equal performance to .sharpshooter Bird dog setup? Nope.

Can a user lower silencer to 0 using 6.8 disc and match or exceed Bird Dog Performance? Nope

Can a user run disc lower than 6.8 disc ( not 0) and run silencer to 0 and match or exceed the Bird Dog program? Nope.

So disc seems needs to be st very very near 0.0, never greater than .5 to get the performance detector platform is capable of.

Could lower than 0.0 disc give any advantage vs a 0.0 disc? I have not seen. Disclaimer I have not used or tested the Bird dog setup in higher mineralized ground. Me saying this I am not presuming this is where lower than 0.0 disc would come into play. IDK

So the name of the game is to get recognizable audio and or ID pattern to giver operator some thing to go on to place odds of both locating s nonferrous masked target (all levels of masking) as well as making a final decision to try to dig and recover.

So running a program with disc and having a 40 kHz max freq one can make Deus 2 be all it can be.
Are all programs on Deus 2 version 2.00 equals in this dept of unmasking? Nope. Or even programs on version 1.10? Nope.

The silencer scales are different on some programs. I.e. Sensitive full tones versions 1.10 and 2.00. Sensitive FT not the same with versions .6 and .071.

So one lowers disc to 0.0, silencer setting does drive the unmasking capabilities. Meaning 1 is bette than 2, 2 is betterthan three when using one program and adjusting silencer.

General program based on my tests falls a bit short. Vs Sens Ft version 2.00. I should say though General program can run stabler in the winter months when ground is wetter.

Can Deus 2 mono program be used to achieve all the Bird Dog setup can do using FMF programs using 40 kHz max freq - assuming same or similar settings applied to mono programs as FMF program? Nope

So with 0.0 disc silencer 1 with notch of 2-7 at least. Using multi tone and pitch tones and full tones.

Reactivity setting not overly critical. I recommend select your speed as you always do for conventional setup with Deus 2 and let the the Bird Dog portion do its thing should one decide to use.

So what can the Bird Dog setup do?
I know this may sound like I am exaggerating…. But imo based on my tests and my experiences and knowledge with vlf metal detectors, Bird Dog use using XP Deus 2 can locate nonferrous masked targets. unlike any vlf detector be it single freq or multi freq to date. Folks thought Deus 2 was good at unmasking. Bird dog setup elevates Deus 2 status even more. Even using small coils on other models will come up short.

So what will user be seeing and hearing using Bird Dog setup? First of all most iron (nails) reads 3-4-5. Silencer setting can drive this. Users should opt to run no higher than 2 silencer any program they decide to use. A level 2 silencer seems to give some performance on lower conductive items,, lower to level 1 silencer both higher and lower conductor performs happens. Disc must be at or very near 0.0.

The number 1 ID segment must be opened at least. Users may decide to open up both number 1 and #2 ID segments.

So basically one will sweep (assuming only #1 ID is open) via notch and #2-7 is notched for ferrous. When the detector sounds off with #1 in meter user can turn on such target and with higher levels ID numbers accepted if nonferrous is present user should expect to hear via tone /ID presented. Folks can get medium sized nail and dime place in middle and beside nail. Sweep detector down the barrel of nail and listen nothing detector behavior. Remove coin and sweep down barrel of nail. Should be silent to little audio given.
This allows for users of deus 2 to approach targets and have better chance to get detection no matter approach angle to target. Versus using conventional setup (6.8 disc). So user may indeed approach target where traditional audio/ID is acquired or thru may approach target and acquire a 1 ID generally stronger reporting signal vs just ferrous giving 1 for ID. As user sees the 1 in meter they will rotate on suspect target and if they don’t hear anything they can dismiss as ferrous. If they hear higher tone they can suspect nonferrous target- Expect ID acquired here to be in error be it I higher of lower conductive target. I am bring this up because user can select dig using bird dog setup. Example. Notch 2-78 good way to look for mask higher conductors like coins.

Some audio behavior/nuance is witnessed when nonferrous target is present when approaching ferrous/target from more difficult direction for detection generally.

So his good is this bird dog setup using Deus 2. Like I already said…killer. Why? Users of Deus 2 using bird dog setup. Users may get highly highly masked nonferrous under their coil whereby all directions of sweeps yields low ID on sweeps I.e. #1. This scenario is exactly how a coin could behave being surrounding by nails. Yeah I know sounds like fiction huh, better think again!!
There is some 3 d unmasking here too,, but this is 3 D whereas say nail and coin are more inline in the vertical with each other not stretched out in the horizontal plane. Also to note, some nail(s) situations under nonferrous objects,, Bird Dog setup can indeed come through with the under target masking and put a user on a find.

Few thing here.
When one lowers disc to 0. And notches say 2-7 for ferrous materials. The number 1 open segment will report in the first nonferrous bin, so using the expert screen one can adjust tone pitch and or tone volume for when objects report #1 in meter. Users electing to use full tones. User can alter full tones offset by dialing up… this will change tone pitch of target situations reporting 1 in meter. Users here can also via using expert screen adjust first nonferrous bin volume of tone should they decide.

I recommend folks to watch my videos. There is good info in them on this subject.

I will entertain any questions ask here and try to answer. If I can’t I won’t. This what the Deus 2 is capable of doing is not fool proof. Neither is use of conventional settings btw.

In closing here. The person who typed this post, started this thread could indeed possess and use the Deus 2 remote that has had the most buttons mashed in the world. And the person doing (myself) may have pushed the most buttons on a deus 2 remote in the world.
And for gee whiz. My remote is still a kicking. Xp makes good stuff I think.

I may have made a grand discovery here. I do think use of this Bird Dog setup will in time allow some users to make some finds in some places they thought were hunted out. Some of these finds could be real shallow too.

Thanks TN,
This was a lot of work.
Looking forward to trying this in the next couple of days.