Deciphered Pages From People That Claim They Are The ONE

[ECS]

Was that just first and last names and the town?

 

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[bigscoop]

Just because some computer program says so does not make it so? You are the one that is not listening. They say C3 does not contain enough to get 31 names and their locations but my decipherment got all 31 and their residences. So much for computers.

...Franklin, those computer programs can generate more possible arrangements in a day then you could in a entire lifetime working 24/7 each day. And sure, "anyone can manufacture and produce solutions to both ciphers" just as we see all the time, but just because they manufacture solutions it shouldn't be taken that any of them are even close to being accurate. And your working Key? You got one of those, or did you just wing it like all the others?

 

[franklin]

...Franklin, those computer programs can generate more possible arrangements in a day then you could in a entire lifetime working 24/7 each day. And sure, "anyone can manufacture and produce solutions to both ciphers" just as we see all the time, but just because they manufacture solutions it shouldn't be taken that any of them are even close to being accurate. And your working Key? You got one of those, or did you just wing it like all the others?

I have posted many times how I deciphered C1 and C3. The way you start the first sentence determines words and sentences on repeat ciphers further down in the code. Once you get these three "keys" that work with the first sentence they will give you other ciphers and their corresponding letter then you substitute them back into the code getting more and more letters that repeat and eventually you can solve the code. Which I did and it took three and one half years 24/7 just like your computers. I worked on the codes in my sleep. When I was going to high school I learned to study during my sleep. I would memorize twenty words and definitions but when I got up in the morning I could not remember all of them so I found if I went over them in my sleep come morning I could still retain the words and definitions. It takes practice but it can be done. Also one thing against a computer they can think and rationalize like a human mind. The computer only spits out what the programmer programs in to it. Just like the one in Pauline Innis book about Stephen Matayas. What he placed into the program in the computer is the only thing he got back out.

 

[bigscoop]

I have posted many times how I deciphered C1 and C3. The way you start the first sentence determines words and sentences on repeat ciphers further down in the code. Once you get these three "keys" that work with the first sentence they will give you other ciphers and their corresponding letter then you substitute them back into the code getting more and more letters that repeat and eventually you can solve the code. Which I did and it took three and one half years 24/7 just like your computers. I worked on the codes in my sleep. When I was going to high school I learned to study during my sleep. I would memorize twenty words and definitions but when I got up in the morning I could not remember all of them so I found if I went over them in my sleep come morning I could still retain the words and definitions. It takes practice but it can be done. Also one thing against a computer they can think and rationalize like a human mind. The computer only spits out what the programmer programs in to it. Just like the one in Pauline Innis book about Stephen Matayas. What he placed into the program in the computer is the only thing he got back out.

How many men accompanied Beale during his first visit at the Morriss establishment?

 

[ECS]

Just because some computer program says so does not make it so? You are the one that is not listening. They say C3 does not contain enough to get 31 names and their locations but my decipherment got all 31 and their residences. So much for computers.

Do any of the 31 names listed have Richmond addresses?

 

[masterpoe]

Just because some computer program says so does not make it so? You are the one that is not listening. They say C3 does not contain enough to get 31 names and their locations but my decipherment got all 31 and their residences. So much for computers.

Henry S Gagster
LA, CA
Tom G Parker
HOU, TX
T H Yankersstine
LYH, VA

 

[masterpoe]

M Poe, if the Beale story in the narrative text never happened and is just the creation of the "unknown author" , what does that reveal to you concerning the unsolved C1 & C3 Beale ciphers?

When this question is presented ,all the non "anti-Bealers" dance a little side step and totally avoid answering.
Why is that?
Will you share your thoughts on this question, M Poe?

I understand Mr ECS, but this is not the thread for your questions. Maybe if you look at the subject of the treads you can find one closer to your question!

 

[masterpoe]

Masterpoe, Crypto, Legrand, etc.,

Going to attempt to explain something to you that you're obviously not aware of, yet many here are, and this has to do with language and the basic rules that dictate the use of that language in order for that particular language to work. This is why there can be no clear text for C1 so you really need to understand this information.

The ciphers are a series of random numbers, these numbers supposedly representing letters of the alphabet that once decoded will give us an intelligible language, or message. However, (and when applying these same basic rules of language use), a computer analysis was run against the C1 cipher and it was discovered that C1, regardless of letter assignment and arrangement, could NOT possibly harbor a grammatically correct clear text. This is cold hard fact, my friends, not speculation.

This is why many people in these forums, and elsewhere, and "many behind the scenes", without ever even seeing the proposed solution, already know that ANY presented cipher solution for C1 has been altered in some way, this also being why they already know that ANY proposed C1 cipher solution has been MANUFACTURED by the decoder. PERIOD!

To give you some idea of just how sophisticated some of these programs are, they even take into account that the letter at the end of each world and the beginning of the next can create a situation where these basic rules can appear broken, and still no possible grammatically correct clear text. This is why EVERY solution attempt will always arrive at a point where the language becomes jumbled and "unintelligible." This is the true brilliance of C1, not that it brilliantly contains a true message, but rather it's true brilliance resides in the fact that it ABSOLUTELY CAN'T harbor a true grammatically correct message. AND, this condition COULD NOT have been created by mistake!

So, true believers have been clearly hoodwinked. PERIOD! This is why the author warns against spending more time on the ciphers then can be afforded.

Now that you have repeatedly said the same thing 100,000 times I think I see the problem. I simply don't care! Have a good day!

 

[ECS]

I understand Mr ECS, but this is not the thread for your questions. Maybe if you look at the subject of the treads you can find one closer to your question!

It is all about the subject of this thread.
If the Beale story was just a created tale sprung from the imagination of this world famous "unknown author", how does that render the two unsolved ciphers and those who have claimed to have solved them?
In other words, fiction solved from fiction is still , FICTION.
...and that my friend, is the Grand Fret.

 

[releventchair]

Henry S Gagster
LA, CA
Tom G Parker
HOU, TX
T H Yankersstine
LYH, VA

Do you accept 1822 as the date the Beale letter to Morris in the iron box was written?

If so, when was Houston Texas founded?

 

[masterpoe]

Do you accept 1822 as the date the Beale letter to Morris in the iron box was written?

If so, when was Houston Texas founded?

They are hypothetical examples of how you can have 30-31 people on page three.

 

[releventchair]

They are hypothetical examples of how you can have 30-31 people on page three.

Ouch. Here I thought you had it solved. Back to ye olde drawing board.

Regarding context of the era ...would first names head each listing , or surnames?

 

[masterpoe]

It is all about the subject of this thread.
If the Beale story was just a created tale sprung from the imagination of this world famous "unknown author", how does that render the two unsolved ciphers and those who have claimed to have solved them?
In other words, fiction solved from fiction is still , FICTION.
...and that my friend, is the Grand Fret.

This is not what this thread is about. We are looking at deciphered pages and not your opinions about The Beale Papers!

 

[ECS]

A lot of people have solutions. But just for kicks and to prove a point, "how many would you like me to produce for you and to what specific subject matter would you like them?"...

Well M Poe, Bigscoop does requests, what is your choice of subject matter for a solution?
I would go with Shakespeare's "TWO MEN OF VERONA" given the "game is worth the candle" reference, AND the subject matter of the play concerning Julia and a "lost letter".

 

[franklin]

Do any of the 31 names listed have Richmond addresses?

Two of the men were from Ft. Charles City which is near Richmond, Va.

The first name I was able to get out of C3 was Walter Otey. Did not know the man nor who he was. I went to Bedford to try and find him at the museum they have up there. The library was open one hour before the museum opened so I went up there and asked the librarian if she had any books that had an Otey Family in it. She referred me to the "Leftwich, Turner Families of Virginia. I looked in the reference and there was Walter Otey. The second name I had was Stephen Braxton. I looked him up and it scared me so much I had to lay the book down, there was Stephen Braxton Sheriff of Bedford County before 1815 and his deputy was none other than Walter Otey. So then I knew I had something important. I went on to find all the others of which twelve were from Goose Creek Valley. So yes that is why I believe my decipherment was correct and still do. Only I need more proof to make sure since the location of the treasure had already been dug up.

 

[ECS]

I don't know of any more that could be uploaded here. Possibly in a few years the others will have there public. Red Spider and the Epitaph of Thomas Beal.

Yes, indeed!

 

[bigscoop]

Two of the men were from Ft. Charles City which is near Richmond, Va.

The first name I was able to get out of C3 was Walter Otey. Did not know the man nor who he was. I went to Bedford to try and find him at the museum they have up there. The library was open one hour before the museum opened so I went up there and asked the librarian if she had any books that had an Otey Family in it. She referred me to the "Leftwich, Turner Families of Virginia. I looked in the reference and there was Walter Otey. The second name I had was Stephen Braxton. I looked him up and it scared me so much I had to lay the book down, there was Stephen Braxton Sheriff of Bedford County before 1815 and his deputy was none other than Walter Otey. So then I knew I had something important. I went on to find all the others of which twelve were from Goose Creek Valley. So yes that is why I believe my decipherment was correct and still do. Only I need more proof to make sure since the location of the treasure had already been dug up.

If, as is according to the tale, nobody in the immediate area knew these men, then why on earth must the locals still insist that they were all locals? Why would they even suggest such things that aren't even consistent with the story they deem to be true? Sort of, kind of, tells on itself, don't it.

 

[bigscoop]

Now that you have repeatedly said the same thing 100,000 times I think I see the problem. I simply don't care! Have a good day!

This is so obviously true, the fact that you completely deny all manner of fact and evidence to the contrary of what you so badly want to push.....so oyu hold no objectivity in your pursuit, just pure tunnel vision and complete denial of anything to the contrary? How, then, is this ever going to lead you to any measure of reality? It can't, and clearly hasn't.

 

[ECS]

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The first name I was able to get out of C3 was Walter Otey... The second name I had was Stephen Braxton. I looked him up and it scared me so much I had to lay the book down, there was Stephen Braxton Sheriff of Bedford County before 1815 and his deputy was none other than Walter Otey. So then I knew I had something important...

Is Walter Otey the Bedford county sheriff that led members of the Luck family in the massacre of Thomas Read, that some have claimed was the real basis of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers?

 

[doverturtle]

Two of the men were from Ft. Charles City which is near Richmond, Va.

The first name I was able to get out of C3 was Walter Otey. Did not know the man nor who he was. I went to Bedford to try and find him at the museum they have up there. The library was open one hour before the museum opened so I went up there and asked the librarian if she had any books that had an Otey Family in it. She referred me to the "Leftwich, Turner Families of Virginia. I looked in the reference and there was Walter Otey. The second name I had was Stephen Braxton. I looked him up and it scared me so much I had to lay the book down, there was Stephen Braxton Sheriff of Bedford County before 1815 and his deputy was none other than Walter Otey. So then I knew I had something important. I went on to find all the others of which twelve were from Goose Creek Valley. So yes that is why I believe my decipherment was correct and still do. Only I need more proof to make sure since the location of the treasure had already been dug up.

I think it is important to note that Franklin is saying he deciphered the names first, none of which he had ever heard of. By researching the names, he found they actually existed. It sure sounds like he got the decipherment correct.