Crispin vs. fire nugget (nitric Acid)

[Crispin]

You make the call: I did some things out of order but will clarify. I wrote controls because I thought they might be Aluminum but some were not. Aluminum and iron dissolve in nitric acid.


metal blob pendant:


metal eagle:


metal nut ring:


metal found in Bahamas, thought to be a cob:


unknown metal blob that kicked everything off:


1/2 reales found together:


.999silver that came with test kit, test right of it, turned dark red:


Ring stamped sterling, test to the right of ring:


Iron completely dissolved:


So there you have it folks. What I got on my hands is not Aluminum, some degree of silver in it. Of note, I tested a ring I thought was gold and it completely dissolved . Passed silver test and failed gold. Keep it mind I found most of these things in the same spot. Fire on a spanish ship is my guess...

 

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[G.I.B.]

Perhaps the small silver items are not melted shipwreck reales, but along the same lines of what PegLeg found. (He very accurately predicted the big gold price jump too, I should have followed his advice)

I'll have to see if the Calusa or Timucua had the same practice.

Crispin, remember the small pieces of metal on a string? Did you drop acid on one of them?

 

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[G.I.B.]

Hummmm.... this could get interesting.

Quick research:

Subsequently, an expedition from the University of Florida evacuated this Indian mound, discovering artifacts linking it to the Timucuan Indian culture.

Pottery, beads pounded from silver Spanish coins, and other articles found in this mound have been dated between 1200 and 1700 A.D.

 

[Crispin]

I am trying to gather information here for my own personal knowledge. Its not all about helping you, crispin, at this point. TN is a constant learning experience. Some call it brain food. You asked for my qualifications. Like I said, I am not college educated, as my knowledge comes mostly from hands on experience. I have been selling antiquities and collectibles for 40 years. I have been metal detecting longer and I have found Spanish silver on the beach. I have been here at TN since 2004 and I have about 20,000 posts on the What Is It Forum alone, helping others. I have been here since Marc Austin created this site and members donated for a new server to stay online because we believed in what we were doing..

I want to tell you something about the What Is It Forum. I will abbreviate it to WIIF. We may bicker back and forth on the WIIF but its the end result that is most important. You can insult me all you want but will get it right in the end. We have a responsibility to get it right. I haven't been participating much lately but the old TN WIIF Forum always had a reputation of getting it right. We cant just stop here.

I am trying to gather information on the Spanish Cobs Forum on melted Reales or cobs found on the beach. The only example so far is the Ais Indian doubloons found by Pegleg that I mentioned and I will post some pictures if I can find them on my old tower. If your items are proven to be melted reales from a shipwreck, you may become a famous person in the TN archives. But we cant go around making bold claims without proof. I hope you understand, crispin. People around the world use the WIIF for reference. . http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/spanish-cobs/468894-melted-spanish-reales.html






I havent posted in the Shipwreck Forum yet.

Okay, I probably over reacted. I apologize. It was a really bad day at work. Lets get back to investigating. Still waiting for PM from fouled up. I will go run some more tests on the blobs and come back with pictures.

 

[Crispin]

Your metal #3 looks like the lock-nut for a switch or panel light. In which case it might be chrome plated brass.

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It looks more like this...

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[Crispin]

BigCypress: I never meant to insult you. I apologize for the slight. Lets get back to investigating..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hummmm.... this could get interesting.

Quick research:

Subsequently, an expedition from the University of Florida evacuated this Indian mound, discovering artifacts linking it to the Timucuan Indian culture.

Pottery, beads pounded from silver Spanish coins, and other articles found in this mound have been dated between 1200 and 1700 A.D.

Good information. Did they pound them or melt them? I am also assuming this was an inland find. Crispin is a beach find.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

BigCypress: I never meant to insult you. I apologize for the slight. Lets get back to investigating..

Im not worried about that. No problem. I try never to get emotional or take anything personal. I am only concerned with learning and making the correct identification. But I understand it happens.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Perhaps the small silver items are not melted shipwreck reales, but along the same lines of what PegLeg found. (He very accurately predicted the big gold price jump too, I should have followed his advice)

I'll have to see if the Calusa or Timucua had the same practice.

Crispin, remember the small pieces of metal on a string? Did you drop acid on one of them?

Yes the Calusa had the same practice. The Ais were members of the Calusa tribe and they paid tribute to the Calusa king with Spanish gold and silver..

Peglegs find was inland not washed up from a burning shipwreck. Some of his pounded doubloons still had the cross visible. They were all found with the silver at the same inland location together, so it could be assumed that the silver was Spanish.

Here is one of his gold doubloons. I can post a picture later of what these gold coins were made into. They were made into beautiful face pendants worn only by chiefs.

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[releventchair]

Not sure how this test works.

 

[G.I.B.]

I am also assuming this was an inland find. Crispin is a beach find.

I have aerial photos from the 1940's of the west coast of Florida. Islands that are present today, were not there then.

Barrier islands come and go, the coastline itself was constantly changing. What may have once been dry, could now be wet, and what was once wet...

...and they did both. Pounding and melting.

 

[Crispin]

They were all found at the same beach.

 

[Crispin]

Okay, back to business. Lets take these things one at a dime. Ha! I originally thought this was a dime, but it isn't. It is 1mm larger then a dime in its current states and tests at the .925 level. You can see the milky white reaction. Possible Reale? You guys know better then me. US dimes are .900.

 

[Crispin]

O, here is the reference guide...

 

[Crispin]

Next up: What is believed to be 1/2 Reales. I put solution directly on them, also did shavings, and scratch. This looks white to me...

 

[Crispin]

Now the blob that was the shot heard round the world, this is looking brown to me:

 

[Crispin]

Lastly, pendant looking thing: this is looking red to me:

 

[Crispin]

Okay, I am willing to repeat tests. Let me know what you want repeated and how you want it: on object, files, or scratch.

 

[fowledup]

Got the PM, address sent, sorry were gonna have to wait for a bit to get some answers. What exactly is it you would like to know, so I can pass the info on?

 

[Crispin]

Got the PM, address sent, sorry were gonna have to wait for a bit to get some answers. What exactly is it you would like to know, so I can pass the info on?

BigCypress, what do you think? Identify metal and percentage of composition?

 

[Crispin]

FYI: I don't have the time to dig this area the way it should be done. So, I have retained the services of West Florida Investigative Services. They will be doing the bulk of the discovery process from here on out. I will assist when able. We obviously need to gather as many pieces as possible.