Cricketts and Chipmunks??

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Im a strong believer in the second, but this just seems wrong?? Kind of like marketing cigs and booze to kids?


A .22-caliber single-shot Crickett rifle designed for children and sold in pink and blue. After the shooting, the Crickett’s maker, Keystone Sporting Arms in Milton, Pa., deleted a Web page promoting it, but archived images show the company featured a “kids corner” with dozens of pictures of young children and their Cricketts at shooting ranges and out hunting.

The company, which specializes in children’s firearms, said that in 2008 it made 60,000 Cricketts and another model, the Chipmunk, and that it ranks as the country’s 10th largest manufacturer of long guns.
 

I disagree, it's the parents responsibility to decide if the kids are old enough to shoot, and to teach them safety. Does it really matter what color the gun is? A .22 is a .22, is a .22!
 

I disagree, it's the parents responsibility to decide if the kids are old enough to shoot, and to teach them safety. Does it really matter what color the gun is? A .22 is a .22, is a .22!

Good thought but who protect the kids from idiot parents ... Or is that just tough luck??


BURKESVILLE, Ky. — The next day Kristian, 5, shot and killed his 2-year-old sister with a gun marketed for children as “My First Rifle” in what the authorities said was an accident.

The death has convulsed this rural community of 1,800 in south-central Kentucky, where everyone seems to know the extended Sparks family, which is now riven by grief. But as mourners gathered for Caroline’s funeral on Saturday, there were equally strong emotions directed at the outside world, which has been quick to pass judgment on the parents and a way of life in which many see nothing unusual about introducing children to firearms while they are still in kindergarten.

“This town, there’s nothing like it. They pull together,” Anne Beall, a family friend, said as she left the Norris-New Funeral Home. Its online obituary showed Caroline as a smiling cherub in a flower-petal collar.

Ms. Beall, a 64-year-old retiree, said she had not heard anyone in town call the parents irresponsible for giving a gun to a 5-year-old or for leaving it unlocked. “Pointing fingers doesn’t really accomplish anything,” she said. “Terrible mistakes happen, and I think that’s what happened here.”

The authorities said the children’s mother, Stephanie Sparks, briefly stepped outside the family’s trailer home when Kristian shot his sister in the chest. Their father, Chris Sparks, shoes horses and works in a lumber mill.

The parents “are taking this really hard,” said a woman leaving the funeral who declined to give her name. A teenage girl said strangers from around the country had written scathing comments online blaming the parents, deepening the town’s pain and anger.

The shooting came after the recent failure in Washington of gun control legislation inspired by the shootings in Newtown, Conn., which exposed a bitter divide on guns. But Burkesville seemed to want no part of being a symbol in a national debate.

“I think it’s nobody else’s business but our town’s,” said a woman leaving a store, who like many people here declined to be interviewed. A woman who answered the phone at the office of John A. Phelps Jr., the chief executive of Cumberland County, whose seat is Burkesville, said, “No, I’m sorry — no more statements,” and hung up.

After the funeral service, two men advanced across North Main Street toward a single television crew present, from the German network RTL, and punched the cameraman, bloodying his face and knocking him down.

Two other men told a newspaper reporter, “If you had any sense, you’d get out of here. You’re next, buddy.”

The county coroner, Gary White, said Kristian’s gun, a .22-caliber single-shot Crickett rifle designed for children and sold in pink and blue, had been stored in a corner, and his parents did not realize it was loaded.

&ldquoown in Kentucky where we’re from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation,” Mr. White told The Associated Press. “You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything.”

After the shooting, the Crickett’s maker, Keystone Sporting Arms in Milton, Pa., deleted a Web page promoting it, but archived images show the company featured a “kids corner” with dozens of pictures of young children and their Cricketts at shooting ranges and out hunting.

The company, which specializes in children’s firearms, said that in 2008 it made 60,000 Cricketts and another model, the Chipmunk, and that it ranks as the country’s 10th largest manufacturer of long guns.

The shooting here, in a region of farms and timber mills, followed a spate of other gun accidents around the country involving young children.

They included a 4-year-old boy who accidentally killed the wife of a sheriff’s deputy at a cookout near Nashville, and a 6-year-old boy who was fatally shot with a .22-caliber rifle by a 4-year-old playmate in Toms River, N.J.

A spokesman for the Kentucky State Police said last week that it was too soon to determine if charges would be filed in the death of Caroline Sparks. Although some states have strict laws aimed at negligent gun storage, including criminal liability for adults, Kentucky’s laws are looser, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The state does not hold adults liable when a child gets hold of a firearm and causes an injury or death.

A few Burkesville residents expressed skepticism of the parents for having a loaded, unlocked gun in the house.

Curtis Spears, 59, a retired mechanic, said he introduced his three sons to hunting and shooting when they were about 8. “But they never touched a gun unless I was with them,” he said. He kept the firearms locked up. His grandson Ryan, who is 5, owns the same Crickett model that Kristian used. But it is equipped with a safety that can be unlocked only with a key kept by his father, Mr. Spears said.

April Anderson, a cashier, said that she, too, owned a gun at age 5. “We went deer hunting,” she said. “I had a .22. You have to teach them at an early age,” she noted, adding that she and her husband own more than 20 guns, but that they keep them secure. “Our guns are put up,” she said.

Her 11-year-old daughter, Taylor, said, “Since that little girl died, Dad got rid of all the guns in the house.”

Not quite, her mother corrected her. They removed at least one shotgun from their home, but not all. “You can’t put your children in a bubble,” Ms. Anderson said.
 

Really.. It's no dagerous than giving a sixteen year old kid a car and a cell phone.. If you teach them how to propely use them they will be safe and make smart choices with it.. If you don't then the latter will happen.. I have said it once and I will say it again guns don't kill people bad decisions do.. I grew up with guns and never once did I have one chase me down the hallway and try to harm me..
 

had been stored in a corner, and his parents did not realize it was loaded.

Well guess what,it is the parents fault for keeping a loaded gun within reach of a 5 year old.One rule of firearms safety,treat every gun as loaded.Not knowing a gun was loaded isnt an excuse its a copout.
 

I guess that's why the word accident is in the dictionary Sturpid on the parents part, terrible on the mind of that child, but no matter it was a accident.
 

It is not the governments responsiblity to protect stupid people from themselves, at the expense of other people liberties!

Remember freedom? Before we became a Nanny state?
 

On the word chipmunks... I read somewhere That there are more churches in Vegas then casinos So when the people give their donations in casino chips the church sends them to a Monastery where they are counted.


They are counted by the chipmonks:laughing7:
 

Second time you have post that long lititny of firearm related incidents, not enough response the first time?
 

Second time you have post that long lititny of firearm related incidents, not enough response the first time?

Where's the other?
 

It is not the governments responsiblity to protect stupid people from themselves, at the expense of other people liberties!

Remember freedom? Before we became a Nanny state?

Remember children's lives??
 

I guess that's why the word accident is in the dictionary Sturpid on the parents part, terrible on the mind of that child, but no matter it was a accident.

So it's a five year old child's fault that they shot the 2 year old? Blame the 2 year old maybe?
 

Well guess what,it is the parents fault for keeping a loaded gun within reach of a 5 year old.One rule of firearms safety,treat every gun as loaded.Not knowing a gun was loaded isnt an excuse its a copout.

So the parents are to "blame"? And what good has that done the children? Should the parents be charged?

RJC - I thought I was on ignore??
 

Really.. It's no dagerous than giving a sixteen year old kid a car and a cell phone.. If you teach them how to propely use them they will be safe and make smart choices with it.. If you don't then the latter will happen.. I have said it once and I will say it again guns don't kill people bad decisions do.. I grew up with guns and never once did I have one chase me down the hallway and try to harm me..

So we wait until 16 to let a kid drive but give a gun to a five year old?? 21 to drink, but 5 for a gun?

Does anyone really think a give year old understands the ramifications / meaning / finality of "death" ??
 

RJC - I thought I was on ignore??

At what point in time did i ever tell you that I put you on ignore?I dont have anybody on ignore.
 

my bad, i have heard it so many times its tough to keep track.
 

A Strong Supporter of the second. Please, do you remember being here before? We all know you, why do you keep up this charade? You should do this spiel on a site that you haven't shown yourself yet.
 

A Strong Supporter of the second. Please, do you remember being here before? We all know you, why do you keep up this charade? You should do this spiel on a site that you haven't shown yourself yet.

Charade? Show me one time I ever said I was against the second amendment? I'm thrilled you are keeping such close tabs on me - a little creepy but I'm honored. I have no idea who you are, not do I care. No matter what you think of my "beliefs" it certainly doesn't change the issues or the facts - correct? a little education on the basics of discussion / debate. It's funny how quickly people resort to this. Let me know when you would like to get back to discussing real issues. Please read below - a good summary for you.

""An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person", short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.""
 

So we wait until 16 to let a kid drive but give a gun to a five year old?? 21 to drink, but 5 for a gun?

Does anyone really think a give year old understands the ramifications / meaning / finality of "death" ??

I don't think anyone is avocating giving a 5 year old a gun! Especially unsupervised! However, if I were there, and I mean closely supervising everything, I would let a 5 year old shoot a single shot .22. I'd be handeling the gun and standing right next to them, and teaching them about safety!

Again, you can't regulate stupidity and personal responsibility!
 

I don't think anyone is avocating giving a 5 year old a gun! Especially unsupervised! However, if I were there, and I mean closely supervising everything, I would let a 5 year old shoot a single shot .22. I'd be handeling the gun and standing right next to them, and teaching them about safety!

Again, you can't regulate stupidity and personal responsibility!

You can regulate it if you want. We do have age limits for driving, cigs, etc. It's just a choice of what we think is right. Would you let your five year old drive a car even if they were "properly supervised"? But lets not pretend like nothing can be done about it and hundreds of accidental child deaths each year are merely an unfortunate accident. It's a bit callous to all those innocent lives in my opinion.
 

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