coyote management

[borlamm1]

My son knew a guy that when driving and seeing an animal would swerve to attempt to kill it. Seems it didn't matter what kind of animal it was. I never understood why some just have to kill what ever is in front of them. The coyote problem is a balance problem with humans to blame. Where are the coyote's natural predators?
Killing a snake just because it there is part of the problem. The killers hate life. The Hopi have a saying, "Ko ya nis quase" Close as I can spell it. Translates to "World out of balance"
The Yaqui Indians have said the animals you kill recklessly wait on the other side where you are powerless.

Almost forgot....if humans aren't the natural predator of coyotes then just what is?

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[hvacker]

Almost forgot....if humans aren't the natural predator of coyotes then just what is?

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What eats a coyote? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[borlamm1]

Well I guess u would have a point if I WERE NOT FROM SOUTH ALABAMA....the only wolf pack down here we see is from the movie hangover. Bears aren't n my neck of the woods neither are cougars genius....:what:

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[Gold Maven]

A balanced system can be cruel, surplus animals either starve or get eaten. Better to harvest surplus animals, make use of them as a renewable resource, as has been done for ever, and have a healthier population of all species.



Here's one natural form of coyote control, hide wasted, of course.

 

[liftloop]

A round
here they find the den go in and take the pups in the spring
coyotes
mate on the ice around here that's when a lot get taken out
one of my mentor of gin and tonic told me a stories in the 50's they had a fox bounty so this guy had a pet fox and he would rap it over the head knock it out and then bring it in for the bounty once a week till finally the fox never revived...

last week we had a wolf dog killing that doesn't look good for the timber wolf but it's in a remote area not down town Lancing Mi so who is really trespassing any way...look know one wants there pet eaten but life go's on present dent Regan started this s*it when he was a rancher and it doesn't look good for our timber wolf... face it
I never had to deal with a pack of wolfs or coyotes but it is going to be a sad day for the 5900 Di pro when it comes too defend-en me when I'm out there she will be swing wildly...believe it or not white tail are hit by more cars than any pack animal will ever eat plus
it's the insurance company that keep the white tail in check and all the different ways "man" kills them- bow,cross bow, rifle, Mozelle loader,junior hunt two buck limit ..these are all seasons...I'm sure prized there's any white tails left at all...not to get off topic...


liftloop

 

[Gold Maven]

Coyotes need crusted snow that the deer break through to be hard on adult populations of deer, but they are hell on fawns. I saw a video from a trail camera set at a coyote den, with 18 fawns carried back for the pups. More than normal I'm sure, I couldn't find that clip, but here's one.

 

[mical66]

hey liftloop, just to ease your mind a little friend, the money hunters and fishermen spend on there licenses go to the government agencies of game and fresh water fish to help manage the wildlife populations , and there are alot of companies that make products for hunting/fishing that do programs or donate to help manage the populations,,, they know it is to there benefit to keep deer and fish alive and healthy.
not sure if you knew that or not buddy..

 

[kuger]

A round
here they find the den go in and take the pups in the spring
coyotes
mate on the ice around here that's when a lot get taken out
one of my mentor of gin and tonic told me a stories in the 50's they had a fox bounty so this guy had a pet fox and he would rap it over the head knock it out and then bring it in for the bounty once a week till finally the fox never revived...

last week we had a wolf dog killing that doesn't look good for the timber wolf but it's in a remote area not down town Lancing Mi so who is really trespassing any way...look know one wants there pet eaten but life go's on present dent Regan started this s*it when he was a rancher and it doesn't look good for our timber wolf... face it
I never had to deal with a pack of wolfs or coyotes but it is going to be a sad day for the 5900 Di pro when it comes too defend-en me when I'm out there she will be swing wildly...believe it or not white tail are hit by more cars than any pack animal will ever eat plus
it's the insurance company that keep the white tail in check and all the different ways "man" kills them- bow,cross bow, rifle, Mozelle loader,junior hunt two buck limit ..these are all seasons...I'm sure prized there's any white tails left at all...not to get off topic...


liftloop

You need to check your facts because you are way out in left field....The Government took ownership of all wildlife in the 1930's,thus taking the responsibility to control predators when they preyed on livestock of which this country needs......do you eat meat?Where does that come from?If you are vegan,more animals are slaughtered on depredation to lettuce and grapes than any other....so you are a hypocryte.Are the farmers supposed to sit back and allow all of their hard work demolished because a few people think we should give the land back to the animals?Where would we be today if our forefathers said,"Oh,we cant live here,because it belongs to the skunk"?Yes,we must strike a balance,but that balance does not mean that some animals must not be managed...killed.We are living in an ever increasing population,but there are still beleive it or not millions of acres of wildland,for the animals and must be more vigilant than ever to manage the animals whos populations are rising as well.All animals have there place,but we are humans and we need a place as well,and we need to eat,I am not ashamed of that

also,there are more whitetail,black bear,coyotes and in some states mtn lions than ever in history...that is fact.You know what happens when animal populations rise too high....disease and starvation,is that humane?That is fact!

 

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[kuger]

Secret...your a student of Leupold.......what happened when prey and predator got out of balance?Starvation,predators must be managed just like prey,because yes,they are human populations now,we cant live in utopia.Dont kid yourselves,even the Native Americans protected themselves and the Navajo Nation right now runs one of the most vigorous predator control programs there is,to guard there sheep...surely you are familiar with that?You think you could convince them to allow the lions and coyotes to eat all of their sheep?One more thing,coyotes have NEVER been in control let alone any where near endangered....and with todays regulations they never will be.The yote is very intelligent and adaptable

 

[hvacker]

You know the expression "Follow the money" For coyote's it's almost the same. Follow the food. Looking at them now they look almost as healthy as dogs. I'm talking of the ones that hang around people places. The days of the scroungy coyote seems to disappear in the last 25 years.
Maybe Kuger knows but it was said if you manage to catch a coyote in a trap, you might as well throw the trap away as you won't catch another in the same trap. I know dogs have that sense of death too. I brought one of my dogs home after he was killed in traffic. My other dog wouldn't get in that car for almost a year. I don't know how they know that.
We know that the coyote population hasn't always been this high. We have a reactionary attempt to control them. Kill them. Some in my village seem to want to pet them. Now they are not supposed to be killed in town. If one is carting off your animals you can call animal control, but as gun shots here are mostly ignored I guess one could take a chance.
Government management is interesting. In 1981 I was in Yellowstone and there was an attempt to reintroduce buffalo. A small trial heard of a small number could be spotted in one area. I went back in 2009. In those 28 years the buffalo are like flies. Everywhere. From the entrance throughout the park. They hang around the hot springs during the winter and crap pies where they will to the point the springs that used to be pristine now need a muckier. I haven't been back in summer so I don't know if they leave it like they do the rest of the park. It kind of seems like coyote management attempts.

 

[Number9]

I've read where whitetail deer when becoming over populated in a small area will start to commit suicide.
Or "mother nature" puts a check on them with starvation and diseases.

 

[hvacker]

Secret...your a student of Leupold.......what happened when prey and predator got out of balance?Starvation,predators must be managed just like prey,because yes,they are human populations now,we cant live in utopia.Dont kid yourselves,even the Native Americans protected themselves and the Navajo Nation right now runs one of the most vigorous predator control programs there is,to guard there sheep...surely you are familiar with that?You think you could convince them to allow the lions and coyotes to eat all of their sheep?One more thing,coyotes have NEVER been in control let alone any where near endangered....and with todays regulations they never will be.The yote is very intelligent and adaptable

I don't doubt your expertise regarding predators. On the Rez it's not so vigorous especially with packs of dogs. Starving dogs and horses is one way you know your on the Rez.
Dogs have been first defense for sheep herders for many people. I don't know how much they are used today.

 

[hvacker]

Well I guess u would have a point if I WERE NOT FROM SOUTH ALABAMA....the only wolf pack down here we see is from the movie hangover. Bears aren't n my neck of the woods neither are cougars genius....:what:

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They used to be but someone shot them all. You can still find a few a bit to the west in Arkansas. When I lived there you could hear cougars in the deep woods.

 

[kuger]

havent read all the rplies but the bit about a trap not good twice is bunk...if that were the case I would need 10,000 traps,thats rediculous.I have modified(put soft catch jaws)on traps my grandfather used in the 40's

 

[borlamm1]

They used to be but someone shot them all. You can still find a few a bit to the west in Arkansas. When I lived there you could hear cougars in the deep woods.

Must have been several generations before my time then b/c I haven't heard a single account about someone seeing one in these parts

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[Number9]

The old coyote is a very smart animal. They will eat and can live anywhere and limit their young to the environment.
All they really need is a bullet proof vest!

Everyone has their own opinions about animals. But, I haven't used a catch trap since I was around 12 years old. I've hunted and trapped at a real early age.. but now, I'd rather see them alive.
The last snare trap I set I caught a little dog.. so from that point own I was through with killer traps.
I still made and used live traps. Any of you older folk remember what a "rabbit gum" is?