Copper tool

[Mintberrycrunch]

Found on a river near known Indian mounds I was hoping copper culture probably wishful thinking any thoughts. Update after sending out a few emails to people dealing in bronze artifacts I may have a lead I'll post the email

 

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[DCMatt]

I know this mound probably isn't anywhere near to location of the relic. But seeing it made me go..hmmm... It is attributed to the Adena culture.

 

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[Bruce R]

I've been following this thread and thinking and thinking and thinking, and all I can see is an amulet of some sort worn around the neck and broken off, possibly in a fight.

 

[releventchair]

I know this mound probably isn't anywhere near to location of the relic. But seeing it made me go..hmmm... It is attributed to the Adena culture.

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The serpent mound is south and slightly east of Michigan.
A trade /travel route ran east/west just below the current southern Michigan border.
S.E. part of the lower peninsula had a long history, the S.W. too but just above the S.E. is a long time lithic material area.
Old copper culture ,I think red earth was around the great lakes too ,and the mound builders were well into Michigan in time.
Mounds near me kinda mid Michigan , are about as distant from the southern border as that border from the Serpent mound.
Similar/matching lithics have been found at similar distances ,suggesting more than seasonal migrations from valley's to lakeshore , though the north south estimation of travel ,while more distant could have been a migration.. Certain political/tribal conflicts could have caused a nearer/faster course to be risky or denied and multiple tribes existed at multiple times.

The one case of lithics had varied types representing varied cultures deposited at the same estimated time in those two sites , north and south of each other with quite a distance between them (my rough guess a hundred miles) making for a curious scenario.

Warfare shuffled the deck here repeatedly.

None of this means the item in O.P. is related to an Ohio mound. Yet may be related the mythology of a serpent.
A creature found farther west and all around the great lakes in native creations representing beliefs.
Being recovered in the vicinity of mounds and the great lakes area arouses my personal speculation of a time predating Mississippian or death culture era.
A very interesting piece it would be great to find out more on.

 

[marion moore]

I belive it was cast in a mold, then the mold seams were filed off. do you known what type off metal it is?

if it was wood I'd say it was carved out by hand. just a guess. marion

 

[Bruce R]

This is really out there, but could it possibly be a tool for making arrows ?

 

[cw0909]

ive looked and looked at it, all i can come up with is a very cool item
and since so much copper was used in its making that says important
for a member or maybe a deceased member of clan/tribe

here is someone closer you can contact, maybe he knows of someone
who might know something even if he doesnt, sorry all i could find
for Paul Schanen contact info is the FB pg
https://www.facebook.com/NativeAmer...0225169437066/497743227018592/?type=1&theater

 

[A2coins]

Native American nose ring!! Just kiddin cool find!!!

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I know this mound probably isn't anywhere near to location of the relic. But seeing it made me go..hmmm... It is attributed to the Adena culture.

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yeah I think the serpent mound is in Ohio I found this in west Michigan about 30 miles inland on a river that flows into the big lake. But Ohio Is not all that far. I have sent images to ppl that deal in copper culture artifacts no one thinks it's Native American. Most seem to think middle eastern maybe somebody got it over seas and lost it and I happened to find it. Was a surface score

 

[jamey]

maybe held a magnify glass

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Like these and I posted this in the artifacts forum 1st just sayin

 

[DCMatt]

Like these and I posted this in the artifacts forum 1st just sayin

I'm no expert on this topic by ANY stretch, but I have to agree with the other forum posters. I've looked at hundreds of Native American copper culture artifacts and nothing I've seen comes even close to the style, shape, or construction of your relic.

I saw some Celtic items that appear to be made using similar techniques, but I will tell you that I've read enough to know that no serious, main-stream archie/historian will give any credence to someone claiming to have Celtic/Viking/(insert any other early non-American culture) artifacts found in the central US. It seems the field is too small and too close-knit for anyone to risk their reputation.

Please keep us posted if anything else comes up.

Good luck

DCMatt

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

I certainly will I generally don't tell anyone I found it until after I send images for the reasons you mentioned just trying to figure out what it is first then step 2 find out how it got to where I found it. Thanks everyone for the comments and ideas it's nice sharing thoughts with like minded folk

I'm no expert on this topic by ANY stretch, but I have to agree with the other forum posters. I've looked at hundreds of Native American copper culture artifacts and nothing I've seen comes even close to the style, shape, or construction of your relic.

I saw some Celtic items that appear to be made using similar techniques, but I will tell you that I've read enough to know that no serious, main-stream archie/historian will give any credence to someone claiming to have Celtic/Viking/(insert any other early non-American culture) artifacts found in the central US. It seems the field is too small and too close-knit for anyone to risk their reputation.

Please keep us posted if anything else comes up.

Good luck

DCMatt

 

[Bruce R]

I know this mound probably isn't anywhere near to location of the relic. But seeing it made me go..hmmm... It is attributed to the Adena culture.

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A broken amulet depicting a snake eating the Earth ?, Sun ?, Moon ? Cantaloupe?

 

[relic lover]

That's just an old piece of float copper I don't see any signs of it ever having been worked lol

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

A broken amulet depicting a snake eating the Earth ?, Sun ?, Moon ? Cantaloupe?

I have been told the open end could represent a crescent moon/moon God cult

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

That's just an old piece of float copper I don't see any signs of it ever having been worked lol

I do find my share of float copper check out this nugget

 

[Bruce R]

I'm sorry, I just don't get the feeling that the piece was cast that way. I'd expect those ends to be more rounded, especially in such a crude casting, bronze, brass, and copper will break cleanly especially if it was quenched in water after casting, and not properly annealed. It looks as if it was twisted and then broke.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

The mid section looks like when you squeeze clay between your fingers from a tiny hand. Sounds weird what do you guys think. If that made any sense

 

[huntsman53]

I'm no expert on this topic by ANY stretch, but I have to agree with the other forum posters. I've looked at hundreds of Native American copper culture artifacts and nothing I've seen comes even close to the style, shape, or construction of your relic.

I saw some Celtic items that appear to be made using similar techniques, but I will tell you that I've read enough to know that no serious, main-stream archie/historian will give any credence to someone claiming to have Celtic/Viking/(insert any other early non-American culture) artifacts found in the central US. It seems the field is too small and too close-knit for anyone to risk their reputation.

Please keep us posted if anything else comes up.

Good luck

DCMatt

Well, I am not an Archie, no reputation in the field to risk (I really wouldn't care anyway as I speak what I think), so therefore, I will state that it looks Viking/Celtic to me! I wonder if CRUSADER has seen anything similar across the pond??!!


Frank

 

[relic lover]

Pretty sure Crusader already answered and said it was a clock key or something along those lines.