Copper tool

[Mintberrycrunch]

Found on a river near known Indian mounds I was hoping copper culture probably wishful thinking any thoughts. Update after sending out a few emails to people dealing in bronze artifacts I may have a lead I'll post the email

 

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[releventchair]

agree with me or not. This guy is about 2000 years off on his time line of the first copper zinc based alloys. I don't have **** to prove to clay. I'm presenting evidence he's the one trying to prove a point.

Easy Mint. Just opinions.

Have you contacted the Industrial Arts Institute in Onaway? Or Northern Mi. University's jewelry/ metalsmithing/ sculpture folks?

 

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[relic lover]

Are you still fooling with that old door knocker? LOL just kidding buddy. Anyway I have not read all the posts but it seems like putting a date to it is now the issue. Just judging by the patina alone I would say it was 200 years to 100 years in the ground. But there's no setting how old it was when it was dropped.

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[Mintberrycrunch]

Being cast there is probably not another example to compare it with and the person who cast it only knew. My guess was it did not turn out as they wanted and discarded if more material was available. i hammer out stuff in my forge all the time that does not turn out and I chunk it. I feel sorry for the poor soul that should to try to put an I.D on the things I discard.

This was used for something before it was discarded than. Shows all kinds of wear on the open end on opposite sides like it was used to turn, twist unlock something. Looks like it was used for a while.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

That line you see on the bottom of the open end isn't a casting seem. Wear line from whatever it was used for.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Other side. Strong line on opposite side other side worn smooth. Anyone get what I'm trying to point out?

 

[sutphin]

NEET FIND

 

[SkaBa]

Bump.

 

[cw0909]

ive read this link 3 times, and thinking need 3 more reads
after i find the analysis post of your object, none of the
objects in report look like yours, just thought the analysis
that they did was interesting, cheers to heavy reading
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X16300578

forgot a info link on float copper
https://www.mpm.edu/research-collec...ections-research/old-copper-culture/artifacts

 

[Oddjob]

OK, so has anyone figured out what this, or come up with a good idea as to what it was used for.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

OK, so has anyone figured out what this, or come up with a good idea as to what it was used for.

Nope

 

[Kaleb71386]

The hunt continues!! Good luck my friend, you have been at it for a good while now.. have you been back to the site? maybe find something else that would help us figure it out.. HH

 

[Kaleb71386]

Also think that it's pretty cool by the way. Definitely been in the ground for some time.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Are you still fooling with that old door knocker? LOL just kidding buddy. Anyway I have not read all the posts but it seems like putting a date to it is now the issue. Just judging by the patina alone I would say it was 200 years to 100 years in the ground. But there's no setting how old it was when it was dropped.

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Patina and composition and when similar compositions were being used was a very long time ago.

 

[HuntinDog]

Darn Mintberrycrunch,
I was just thinking about your find and wondering if you had an answer.
Saw your new post and thought alright an answer.
But alas not yet
Keep looking...
Good luck

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Darn Mintberrycrunch,
I was just thinking about your find and wondering if you had an answer.
Saw your new post and thought alright an answer.
But alas not yet
Keep looking...
Good luck

Yeah wish I had more info. Last night I contacted an archeologist group dealing with mound builder artifacts. He said I found something very old unfortunately it falls into the category of I don't know what it is. Said wished I could say more and best of luck. And they do find cast items and different metal alloys

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Here's the email im blocking his name if he knew what it was I'd post it. He works with artifacts from the mound builder culture.

 

[Mintberrycrunch]

Is it about time for me to send another email to the British museum? I think it's been like 15-16 months maybe more. Or just be patient?

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

They would have thrown out the first inquiry so you might as well restate the question.

Found in America you should maybe stick to US organizations.

 

[DCMatt]

Is it about time for me to send another email to the British museum? I think it's been like 15-16 months maybe more. Or just be patient?

Send again. That's too long for you to still be in someone's in-box.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Is it about time for me to send another email to the British museum? I think it's been like 15-16 months maybe more. Or just be patient?

I've worked with the Met in New York and the British Museum since the 1970's. You will not get a reply.

Try Christies or Bonhams. Tell Dessa Goddard at Bonhams Asian Department that you have a Chinese Art period bronze and she will talk to you. Tell me when your appointment is and I'll stop by to see the fireworks. Dessa is an energetic woman.

I'm not sure why you would think that antiquities experts would be interested in your broken find but I do admire your persistence in believing it has value.

Good luck in your search.