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Civil War Payroll gold may have been found in Elk County PA
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I remember the other soldiers name it was William Taylor in the 11th Virginia Calvary. I have his service record somewhere. Michael Paul Henson said he found the other man William Bush but I have been unable to find his service record.
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franklin:
Buckhannon?
Was that in a magazine article or one of Michael Paul's books? He got upset with me after I wrote in one my catalogues that has book didn't have an index, and its organization made it difficult to use for research. The book was written in a "Q&A" format. As Bill Hanks pointed out, it wasn't my fault he didn't include an index.
He sure had a wonderful voice! I bought a cassette tape of a couple of his books and he hadn't recorded it - a disappointment.
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Buckhannon?
Was that in a magazine article or one of Michael Paul's books? He got upset with me after I wrote in one my catalogues that has book didn't have an index, and its organization made it difficult to use for research. The book was written in a "Q&A" format. As Bill Hanks pointed out, it wasn't my fault he didn't include an index.
He sure had a wonderful voice! I bought a cassette tape of a couple of his books and he hadn't recorded it - a disappointment.
Good luck to all,
The Old Bookaroo
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I would think that looping thru northern pa would be a logical choice since Lee's army was advancing into southen pa.
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With a sick leader of 10 men not going to happen unless you want to claim that the Union Army or Abraham Lincoln did not know what they were doing?
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wainzoid: You make a very valid point. However, with Stuart's cavalry on the loose and the rest of Lee's north coming north, it would have made even more sense to leave the gold in Wheeling until matters had been settled. And within a few weeks they were.
However, there are so many other parts of the legend that don't really make sense, and in the absence of any reliable documentation any of this happened, the route is a tertiary concern, at best.
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The Old Bookaroo
However, there are so many other parts of the legend that don't really make sense, and in the absence of any reliable documentation any of this happened, the route is a tertiary concern, at best.
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The Old Bookaroo
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Wrote a couple of treasure stories about that area... one is about Captain Black Beard Not "Teach" and Silver.
Old Bookaroo what do you think of Scully ?
For the FBI to be on Pa. State property is odd IMO... in a place with so many so posed Treasure stories .
Here in N.Y. we don`t have a treasure story...So that would indicate a large Meth Lab,but you don`t need to dig with a shovel to find it.
Gary
In 1811, a Captain Blackbeard (not to be confused with Edward Teach) received a commission from the British Admiralty to raise the wreckage of a Spanish galleon, which had gone down off the Bahamas during a raging tropical hurricane in the early fall of 1680. Plainly visible in less than 20 fathoms of water, the hulk posed no difficulties for the astute Blackbeard, one of the greatest marine salvage experts of his day. In less than a month, the canny Englishman raised the hulk, and by surrounding it with pontoons, made ready to tow his prize and its cargo to the safety of an American port; England then being at war with Napoleonic France.
Escaping a furious storm by a matter of hours, Blackbeard landed his wreck at Baltimore, where he immediately made arrangements to have a warship tow it and the loot it contained to the safety of an English port.
In June of 1812, while tipping a few tankards of ale in a Baltimore tavern, Blackbeard met Peter Abelhard Karthaus of the privateer Comet. Blackbeard’s heart almost stopped beating when Karthaus very subtly informed him that he was aware that the English sailor had successfully brought to the Maryland city a Spanish galleon and its $1,500,000 worth of silver bars.
Running the gauntlet with French warships was one thing, but trying to escape the relentless privateer, the rogue of his day, was another thing. Then, too, the possibility of war with America was growing stronger with each passing day. To attempt to take the treasure across the sea was an impossibility, reasoned Blackbeard. The land route to Canada and safety was only four hundred miles, most of which was through uninhabited wilderness and it could be accomplished in a few weeks reasoned the now-thoroughly alarmed Englishman.
That night Captain Blackbeard studied the route he would take. He would follow the Susquehanna due north to about what is now Williamsport, Pennsylvania and from there to the Sinnemahoning River northwestward until he reached what is now Emporium, Pennsylvania. Then there would be a twenty-three mile portage over Keating Summit to the headwaters of the Allegheny River near Port Allegany. This was known as Canoe Place at the time, and had been used by traders, trappers, and warring Redmen for over three centuries. Then all he had to do was follow the Allegheny to the mouth of the Conewango Creek near present-day Warren, and then up to Chautauqua Lake (Jamestown). From the head of Chautauqua, he could practically roll down the hill to the blue waters of lake Erie. Britain controlled Lake Erie, Blackbeard mused, and the treasure would be home safe, and he would claim his reward and perhaps a knighthood from a grateful king. This was the plan to follow, and so the Englishman made ready.
The silver bars were loaded into wagons, all of which had a false bottom, covered with hay and straw. Each wagon was drawn by six oxen, accompanied by a handful of guards supposedly loyal to Britain, now almost on the verge of war with their cousins in North America for the second time in forty years.
Blackbeard never dreamed of the difficulties the land route through Pennsylvania’s trackless wilderness could pose until he reached what is now Lycoming County. Twice, the Englishman had to build rafts, in order to ascend the turbulent Susquehanna, and twice the bulky log platforms had capsized dumping the bellowing oxen and wagons into the icy river. By the time the expedition reached Clinton County and present-day Renovo, Blackbeard was coming apart at the seams. War had finally broken out between America and England, and the Englishman became almost obsessive in his efforts to avoid contact with any wandering trapper, whom he felt almost certain would have to be American. Then, the gnawing suspicion that one or two of his guards had betrayed some suspicious attitudes, brought Blackbeard to the brink.
That night, the English captain made up his mind that he would get the silver over the twenty-three mile portage, and then bury it for safekeeping. Word had slipped through that Fort Niagara had been blockaded, and Lake Erie was swarming with American boats, perhaps influenced his decision, but his mind was made up. He would bury the loot until after the war. After the British had trounced the upstart Yankees, he would have no trouble in reclaiming and finding the silver. It was perfectly safe in this primeval forest, reasoned Blackbeard.
And so, late in the summer of 1812, in the southeast corner of McKean County near the tiny village of Keating Summit, and not far from either Smethport or Port Allegany on CW 1198 and CW 1199, the huge treasure was buried near an old saltlick. During the digging, at least two dozen elk watched the strange behavior of the sweating humans, as they lowered box after box to the bottom of narrow trenches. Legends of McKean County indicate that bison at one time congregated at the lick, and early records state that over 300 elk were counted at one time around that spring and its salt deposits.
So Blackbeard made it safely back to Canada and eventually to Britain, where he reported to an exasperated Admiralty that the tremendous treasure was buried someplace in the wolf-infested forests of northern Pennsylvania, back in Yankeeland. Returning to America, Blackbeard sent Colonel Noah Parker to the treasure site. Perhaps this was like sending a fox to guard a henhouse. While Parker kept intruders away, he also managed to keep Blackbeard from finding out anything about the silver hoard.
Within a few years, the frustrated Englishman went to his reward and the treasure was forgotten by all–save Parker. From time to time he showed sudden affluence, but always denied that he had ever found any of the silver.
After the Civil War, Parker opened one of the first spas in northern Pennsylvania, claiming that the curative powers of the spring waters would move the Iron Virgin. Hundreds flocked to the little hotel, and Parker never failed to regale them with the story of the lost treasure. Thousands searched for the treasure and never found it, and if Parker knew of its whereabouts he went to his grave without telling anyone.
It is now part of the folklore of the people of the rugged hills of Pennsylvania, and Captain Blackbeard’s fabulous treasure–or at least that portion not expended by the shrewd Colonel Parker–is still awaiting a finder.
Wrote a couple of treasure stories about that area... one is about Captain Black Beard Not "Teach" and Silver.
Old Bookaroo what do you think of Scully ?
For the FBI to be on Pa. State property is odd IMO... in a place with so many so posed Treasure stories .
Here in N.Y. we don`t have a treasure story...So that would indicate a large Meth Lab,but you don`t need to dig with a shovel to find it.
Gary
By Francis X. Scully
At the time it was lost, it was valued at one and a half million dollars, but with the increasing value of pure silver the lost bars could conceivably be worth double that amount. Supposedly buried near the mini-village of Gardeau in McKean County, northern Pennsylvania, the lost treasure has been part of the folklore of the Keystone State’s oilfields for over a century. What is more, if you go after this one, you will be within fifty miles of four other lost treasures valued at five million dollars or more–-a rare opportunity for an enterprising treasure hunter.
In 1811, a Captain Blackbeard (not to be confused with Edward Teach) received a commission from the British Admiralty to raise the wreckage of a Spanish galleon, which had gone down off the Bahamas during a raging tropical hurricane in the early fall of 1680. Plainly visible in less than 20 fathoms of water, the hulk posed no difficulties for the astute Blackbeard, one of the greatest marine salvage experts of his day. In less than a month, the canny Englishman raised the hulk, and by surrounding it with pontoons, made ready to tow his prize and its cargo to the safety of an American port; England then being at war with Napoleonic France.
Escaping a furious storm by a matter of hours, Blackbeard landed his wreck at Baltimore, where he immediately made arrangements to have a warship tow it and the loot it contained to the safety of an English port.
In June of 1812, while tipping a few tankards of ale in a Baltimore tavern, Blackbeard met Peter Abelhard Karthaus of the privateer Comet. Blackbeard’s heart almost stopped beating when Karthaus very subtly informed him that he was aware that the English sailor had successfully brought to the Maryland city a Spanish galleon and its $1,500,000 worth of silver bars.
Running the gauntlet with French warships was one thing, but trying to escape the relentless privateer, the rogue of his day, was another thing. Then, too, the possibility of war with America was growing stronger with each passing day. To attempt to take the treasure across the sea was an impossibility, reasoned Blackbeard. The land route to Canada and safety was only four hundred miles, most of which was through uninhabited wilderness and it could be accomplished in a few weeks reasoned the now-thoroughly alarmed Englishman.
That night Captain Blackbeard studied the route he would take. He would follow the Susquehanna due north to about what is now Williamsport, Pennsylvania and from there to the Sinnemahoning River northwestward until he reached what is now Emporium, Pennsylvania. Then there would be a twenty-three mile portage over Keating Summit to the headwaters of the Allegheny River near Port Allegany. This was known as Canoe Place at the time, and had been used by traders, trappers, and warring Redmen for over three centuries. Then all he had to do was follow the Allegheny to the mouth of the Conewango Creek near present-day Warren, and then up to Chautauqua Lake (Jamestown). From the head of Chautauqua, he could practically roll down the hill to the blue waters of lake Erie. Britain controlled Lake Erie, Blackbeard mused, and the treasure would be home safe, and he would claim his reward and perhaps a knighthood from a grateful king. This was the plan to follow, and so the Englishman made ready.
The silver bars were loaded into wagons, all of which had a false bottom, covered with hay and straw. Each wagon was drawn by six oxen, accompanied by a handful of guards supposedly loyal to Britain, now almost on the verge of war with their cousins in North America for the second time in forty years.
Blackbeard never dreamed of the difficulties the land route through Pennsylvania’s trackless wilderness could pose until he reached what is now Lycoming County. Twice, the Englishman had to build rafts, in order to ascend the turbulent Susquehanna, and twice the bulky log platforms had capsized dumping the bellowing oxen and wagons into the icy river. By the time the expedition reached Clinton County and present-day Renovo, Blackbeard was coming apart at the seams. War had finally broken out between America and England, and the Englishman became almost obsessive in his efforts to avoid contact with any wandering trapper, whom he felt almost certain would have to be American. Then, the gnawing suspicion that one or two of his guards had betrayed some suspicious attitudes, brought Blackbeard to the brink.
That night, the English captain made up his mind that he would get the silver over the twenty-three mile portage, and then bury it for safekeeping. Word had slipped through that Fort Niagara had been blockaded, and Lake Erie was swarming with American boats, perhaps influenced his decision, but his mind was made up. He would bury the loot until after the war. After the British had trounced the upstart Yankees, he would have no trouble in reclaiming and finding the silver. It was perfectly safe in this primeval forest, reasoned Blackbeard.
And so, late in the summer of 1812, in the southeast corner of McKean County near the tiny village of Keating Summit, and not far from either Smethport or Port Allegany on CW 1198 and CW 1199, the huge treasure was buried near an old saltlick. During the digging, at least two dozen elk watched the strange behavior of the sweating humans, as they lowered box after box to the bottom of narrow trenches. Legends of McKean County indicate that bison at one time congregated at the lick, and early records state that over 300 elk were counted at one time around that spring and its salt deposits.
So Blackbeard made it safely back to Canada and eventually to Britain, where he reported to an exasperated Admiralty that the tremendous treasure was buried someplace in the wolf-infested forests of northern Pennsylvania, back in Yankeeland. Returning to America, Blackbeard sent Colonel Noah Parker to the treasure site. Perhaps this was like sending a fox to guard a henhouse. While Parker kept intruders away, he also managed to keep Blackbeard from finding out anything about the silver hoard.
Within a few years, the frustrated Englishman went to his reward and the treasure was forgotten by all–save Parker. From time to time he showed sudden affluence, but always denied that he had ever found any of the silver.
After the Civil War, Parker opened one of the first spas in northern Pennsylvania, claiming that the curative powers of the spring waters would move the Iron Virgin. Hundreds flocked to the little hotel, and Parker never failed to regale them with the story of the lost treasure. Thousands searched for the treasure and never found it, and if Parker knew of its whereabouts he went to his grave without telling anyone.
It is now part of the folklore of the people of the rugged hills of Pennsylvania, and Captain Blackbeard’s fabulous treasure–or at least that portion not expended by the shrewd Colonel Parker–is still awaiting a finder.
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As I said: Point to any speck of public state park land in CA, and ........ I bet that in a year .... given enough stink-making, I too could have LEO's on site. Even digging, etc....
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G.A.P. metal:
I offered Mr. Scully's book for sale because many people didn't know about it and there weren't many books out there on lost treasures in this part of the US of A. As an author I see him as what is known on the Internets today as an "aggregator" - he assembled stories from other sources without crediting them or changing much. He's in the tradition of Thomas Penfield and Michael Paul Henson.
Mr. Scully's book was uncommon when I had new copies for sale. Today it appears almost impossible to locate a copy. Across the board, I'd happily buy back almost every used book I ever sold for what it went for at that time. But I don't get many such offers!
As for your New York state, there are a large number of interesting sites. But you already knew that.
Good luck to all,
The Old Bookaroo
I offered Mr. Scully's book for sale because many people didn't know about it and there weren't many books out there on lost treasures in this part of the US of A. As an author I see him as what is known on the Internets today as an "aggregator" - he assembled stories from other sources without crediting them or changing much. He's in the tradition of Thomas Penfield and Michael Paul Henson.
Mr. Scully's book was uncommon when I had new copies for sale. Today it appears almost impossible to locate a copy. Across the board, I'd happily buy back almost every used book I ever sold for what it went for at that time. But I don't get many such offers!
As for your New York state, there are a large number of interesting sites. But you already knew that.
Good luck to all,
The Old Bookaroo
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The gold bar shipment was just that. We're did all this army payroll stuff come from.
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On the internet tonight, I saw a story from the Washing Post showing pictures of the FBI looking for this treasure. If you do research on buried treasures on government lands, local, county, and federal lands, you are in a heap of problems trying to get permission to recovered treasures. Finders Keepers cannot dig up treasures and I am not sure if they have a contract with the owner, the state. I am sure that this group will get nothing for their hard work. While I am honest, I would think very serious about letting any government know about any treasures on any government lands. Too much harassment and waste of time in recovering treasures. Of course, I would pay state and federal income taxes.
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“In our first 2 years of business we located 3 of the largest lost treasure sites in Pa.“
So, is it four or two now?
So, is it four or two now?
I'm surprised at your statement Samuel! I read the story and it's doesn't mention anyone digging, only has one minor reference to the FBI "Court approved activities" statement and only mentioned gold or treasure as the goal of the Finders Keepers.
There are no pictures of digging, digging equipment, the FBI, gold or anything but two porta potties and a tent a trailer and two unmarked vehicles. I'm puzzled how you got "pictures of the FBI looking for this treasure" when none of that is even mentioned in the article. Was there another article?
I'm really wondering if anyone here has any evidence the FBI was looking for treasure or gold or if anyone has any evidence the FBI did any digging. So far there is nothing but some people assuming the FBI is looking for treasure.
It's looking like Tedyoh is going to be eating crow pie alone. Having been there before I can tell you a big helping of humility will make that dirty bird go down easier.
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Nice try Bro.....i never said they found anything....note the word "may" in the title. As much as it burns my azz to admit this, you guys who play it safe by playing the odds on nothing will be found (in the millions of dollars anyway) are probably right, that's what "go with the flow/frightened (for whatever physiological reason)" do, they stick with the odds....good safe bet so they don't look foolish and can gloat later on how smart they are or were on this topic, but the real winners take chances in life.
Bottom line chances are nothing will be found, BUT he must have found something earlier to present to the courts to get an order to dig.
Bottom line chances are nothing will be found, BUT he must have found something earlier to present to the courts to get an order to dig.
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Yellow gold in the two portapotties
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Look harder at the word "located". Sounds pretty convincing, eh ? Like: Past-tense brought something to the surface, eh ? In the same way the guy uses the word "found" (past tense) as well. Eh ? But look harder and you'll see nothing was "found" (past tense) or "located" (past tense).
Instead what they mean is they've honed down the location to a certain meadow, marsh, cave, grave, mountain, or whatever. Now it's simply a matter of honing down the exact location, digging deep enough, getting government clearances, getting a machine that goes 6 meters deep, etc... But rest assured: It's been "located and found".
Huh ? No, I'm sorry, you have not "found" or "located" diddly-squat, unless you found found and located something. Up till that point, you are still looking and think, etc....
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Where there's smoke, there's fire. Right ? No. As I've said: I bet I could replicate the same thing at any of the 50 states in the USA (court orders, security, cameras, news crews, etc...) if I took 10 yrs. and made a big stink, petitioning to dig, calling media begging to be interviewed, etc...
If I showed up at Bodie or Shiloh with a shovel, and the powers-that-be got wind of it, you can BET they'd add security, watch me, warn me, etc.... Do any of those results mean: "Treasure" ? No. It would only mean I made a nuisance of myself and drew attention. Thus ... no ... this "smoke" does not mean anything was found. At least not that means or points to treasure.
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I don't think so.....Federal judges, as far as I know, don't hand out court orders overruling state law without some concrete evidence. Especially to some delusional treasure hunter.
No courts involved and no evidence of an order to dig or even evidence anything was dug for that matter. You just made that up.
I appreciate the attempt to denigrate unbelievers with
but that's really just childish name calling.
Which of course just like the rest of this thread will lead to your crow pie.
I don't blame you for ducking and weaving on this Tedyoh - that crow pie is nasty stuff. I could sprinkle some logic or common sense on there for you but it's your pie and I suspect anything that smells of fact would just make your dessert even more repulsive to you.
I'm guessing you will be wishing you had stuck to something more palatable and civilized like - "gee I think I may disagree with you" but you chose crow pie so I'll try not to smile while you eat your prize.
You could have just kept this a civilized discussion and left the name calling out.
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《Yawn》 Look all you want but I never said "Gold HAS been found" or anything along those lines....yet you are soooo sure this is Legend is all make believe....whatever happened in your life that was so dramatic I'm here for you.....PM me your number (anyone of the Negative Nancy's not only on this post but all others where your gang discredit people doing research as idiots), and I'll call you...ill try to help you all.No courts involved and no evidence of an order to dig or even evidence anything was dug for that matter. You just made that up.
I appreciate the attempt to denigrate unbelievers with
but that's really just childish name calling.
Which of course just like the rest of this thread will lead to your crow pie.
I don't blame you for ducking and weaving on this Tedyoh - that crow pie is nasty stuff. I could sprinkle some logic or common sense on there for you but it's your pie and I suspect anything that smells of fact would just make your dessert even more repulsive to you.
I'm guessing you will be wishing you had stuck to something more palatable and civilized like - "gee I think I may disagree with you" but you chose crow pie so I'll try not to smile while you eat your prize.
You could have just kept this a civilized discussion and left the name calling out.
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