Cape Canaveral National Seashore Metal Detecting

[itmaiden]

Hi. I have found nothing under the spelling you gave (maybe a different language translation?), however, I did find historical information under "surruque". The State of Florida believes this site to be a prominent Indian Shell Midden in the Cape Canaveral Area, which is known as "Turtle Mound". If you are looking for treasure from this area, I will tell you from other documentation that Florida scored a huge accumulation of gold and silver. If you would like to "see" the treasure, you will have to break into the Tallahassee Vault or wherever else it ended up at. Is Cape Canaveral off limits just for security purposes ? I know more but this is all I will say for the moment. The state beat you to the treasure matey.

Sorry.

itmaiden

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ? I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

Yes I am certain about the spelling.

I have invited to this discusion, (not here@Tnet), a proffesional archeologist that did the Windover digs to my questions about: Sorrope,Surruque,Sorroque, villages. Tekoite, tribe, and the Tiacuma whom were all the same sect of family of the Hitchiti which are now vulgarly renamed by the government that polished them off, Mickasoukee, different than the original Miccosoukee.
Also Sorroquez, and the pirates named, "Sir Rogue", and "Sir Rock".
The archaeologist with the mess,!, of degrees shall be out on assignment and should be back the 16th.
Here is her: Dr. Rachel Wentz
Regional Director
Florida Public Archaeology Network
East Central Region
435 Brevard Ave.
Cocoa, FL 32922
321-690-1971

 

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[FISHEYE]

Florida indians didnt bury their dead in shell mounds.When a indian or indian chief died they put the body in their grass hut along with all their belongings and furniture and burned it all.

 

[itmaiden]

Different tribes had different customs. The Surroque area had evidence of earthen burial mounds. Anthropologists have worked with the state in regards to complete well preserved bodies apparently buried in peat bogs. Some Indians practiced cremation.
And some just ate each other.

Middens are believed to be basically shell trash dumps.

Florida indians didnt bury their dead in shell mounds.When a indian or indian chief died they put the body in their grass hut along with all their belongings and furniture and burned it all.

 

[Sorroque]

Bells.
gas.
safe.
Sorrope.
Answer with a triple
1. Sorrope were indeed savage, but highly repected. For anyone who saw the Dustin Hoffman, has an October 11th. birthday like my own, movie, "Little Big Man", then you are familiar with the Contrair Warrior.
A Contrair was a priest. What he said and did he practiced backward. "Hello", when he actualy meant "Goodbye". The movie was based on The Siox, Cheyanne, and Pawnee. They fought @ The Battle of Little Bighorn. That Battle is still observed on Memorial Day. Nocturnal Florida Chickens, classified extinct, 1767. Nocturnal Chickens are around today . I think this bird was the mascot and thier face paint was black with white speckles, and has something to do with ghost town "Maybeline", in Tampa, and Chuck Berry's song.
Talking to Wier, a living Caloosa in Cocoa, he mentioned that ," The cannibles had pointed teeth and kept them sharp ". 'They were dealt with as one deals with a pet'.
Burial Mounds are prone to tornadic activity, it makes them more magical. The zero-gravity of tornados is why.
2. As far as the natives buried in the bogs, it was because at night certain bogs bubbled and gave off an illuminesant light, so it was thought thay the bubbles would breathe life back into the deceased.
The brand new Ellington Mitchell sports park on Hall Road on Merritt Island is where you need to be early in the morning, to see a Nocturnal Florida Chicken .
3. I took a Locksmith course while in Tallahassee, by correspondance, and could get into a safe, however, I would spend 30 years min. in jail for using that aquired skill in a crime. Nope.
I would like to add that the Cardinal Bird, logo of Locksmithing Institute of Little Falls, New Jersey, chirps, "Cochise" just like in the Names of a Cree Chief, and an a "Apache" chief. Ghost town in that area, "Ocise Landing". The Cardinal Bird Chirps, "Gitchagoomee" where we are at in Florida. This is a contortion of nature, magical too because we know birds speak dialects!
"There is a society that causes contortion", Holy scripture. Saint Simon,($3million Pesos buried on Saint Simon Island), was the Patron Saint,(go Saints!), to self mutilation, poverty, pastorial skills, and contortion.
Seminole Chief William Bowles, Chief Billy Bowlegs.
We need to pinpoint the location of the Tekoite, the tribe that burnt down Sorroquez 1689.
The Mr. Mcgoo THing. Cartoon of the whitemans way. This is, 'I believe', the Tekoite , of Iraq, in the whitemans bible to the Tekoite redman tribe. Believe it or not, there are white people today with the lastname, McGoo.
Please read 2nd. Samuel chapter 23 verse 26 KJV. Noah was from Iraq and could talk to the animals in which coerced into the Ark. The Finch Bird chirps "Tekoite"! Ghost town Crow, Florida on Cape Canaveral; Fish Crow squaks "Kissimmee" = Kissimmee, Florida today. Another thing, ;" The wreck of The Ezmond Fitzgerald" A 70's song about it sunk in a Michagan in a Lake ,... Gitchagoomee. .
'Tikis dipped in blood'. Edmund.
I did get help from the Florida Historical Society. The elder man helped me get that information about that Surruque village. The book is wrapped in white paper and kept in thier safe. Lock and key and I think combination too.
Interesting jewelry those lovely ladies wear at that place. ' I wonder if it is 1715 stuff, or a little more',... ?

 

[mad4wrecks]

I always feel buzzed after I read one of your postings Sorroque

 

[Goldminer]

Buzzed Tom? Is that all?

 

[FISHEYE]

lake okeechobee back in the days of the indians was also known as Sorrope.And its along ways from the cape.

 

[itmaiden]

Yes it was, but the Spanish Fort sharing the name was at the Cape.
Some Indian pottery such as effigie's, and fishhooks have been found at Okeechobee. The artifacts have been relatively few though. At one time, archies thought it may have been a temporary Seminole settlement.

Lake Okeechobee connected with the St Lucie River. Also, an Indian trail ran from the East Coast of Florida, across the lake area, over to Tampa.

itmaiden

lake okeechobee back in the days of the indians was also known as Sorrope.And its along ways from the cape.

 

[FISHEYE]

Heres some history about the cape.
See:
Immediately after removing the French settlers, the Spanish attempted to build a permanent fort at Cape Canaveral, primarily for the purpose of protecting shipwrecked sailors from attack. In 1565, the same year St. Augustine was established, a Spanish blockhouse was built at the northern tip of the Indian River.

Origin Of Cape Canaveral Remains Largely A Mystery

Although the recorded history of Cape Canaveral dates back a remarkable 500 years, next to nothing is known about when and how Cape Canaveral formed, or what exactly happened there prior to the advent of Spanish colonial exploration.

It is generally believed that geographic Cape Canaveral, as it is known today, was likely underwater for untold thousands of years. There is ample geological evidence of ancient dune lines, where ocean waves once broke upon the shoreline.

Actually, these dune lines run north and south along the Florida mainland about 10 to 15 miles inland from present day Cape Canaveral. Huge numbers of indigenous sea shells are commonly found at any inland construction site where deep digging is conducted.

What is nearly certain is that at some point in time, the ocean waves receded, and a combination of tidal action and local topography allowed a small point of land to jut out from the coastline into the great sea.

Imagination must of necessity rule when trying to imagine what the area was like before human intervention. Cape Canaveral likely played host to a huge variety of flora and fauna, including just about any creature that could fly, walk or crawl to its shores.

Even the great wooly mammoths once roamed the Florida mainland, and perhaps even these animals ambled across the coastal shallows to graze on this ancient landscape.

While little is known about the origin and ancient history of this now famous stretch of sand and scrub, some light has been shed on the original human inhabitants of the region.

Ancient Residents Of Cape Canaveral Area Are Unearthed

Historians believe that the first residents of Florida were Native Americans who migrated to the region about 10,000 years ago. As far as the area surrounding Cape Canaveral is concerned, a most remarkable discovery was made in the mid-1980's.

A heavy machine operator excavating a peat bog near Interstate-95 in Titusville, located on the Florida mainland a few miles west of Cape Canaveral, unearthed a human skull. Believing this to be the victim of some horrendous crime, the worker promptly called authorities.

But the skull would prove to be one of the greatest anthropological finds in the history of Florida. The skull turned out to be very old, and was turned over to researchers with Florida State University.

The entire area was sealed off, and researchers decided to completely drain a nearby pond. Excavation of the peat material in the banks and bottom of the pond revealed a treasure trove of bones belonging to some of the area's oldest inhabitants.

A rare environmental mix in the peat bog area served to preserve in near pristine condition human bones and plants from a bygone era. Several of the human skulls even contained preserved brain tissue.

Although the remains will be studied for years to come, a great deal has been learned about the people who were most likely the Cape Canaveral area's first inhabitants.

Scientists believe the Titusville remains belong to Native Americans inhabiting the area about 7,000 years ago. Due to the condition of tooth remains, it is believed these Indians ate mainly coarse vegetation and grains. This led to speculation that the tribe was migratory in nature.

Although believed to be migratory, the discovery of so many bones in one location would point to a more permanent presence in the area, or at least a significance of the area to these people.

Since so many bones were found in and around the pond, it is believed it was used as a burial pond, in which the remains of deceased individuals would be placed. All else about these early Floridians, including their relationship to later identifiable inhabitants, is a mystery.

Two Native American Groups Populate Cape Canaveral Region

It is generally believed that two main groups of Native Americans populated the Cape Canaveral area leading up to colonial times. These are the Ais and Timucuans, both of whom frequented the Cape Canaveral area due its local abundance of seafood and edible vegetation.

The Ais are believed to have populated the coastal area along the Indian River, originally called "Rio de Ais" (River of the Ais) from the Cape Canaveral area south to the St. Lucie River and extending perhaps as many as 30 miles inland. The Timucuans are believed to have populated a large area extending from Cape Canaveral north to Georgia.

The Ais were fiercely warlike and nonagricultural, and survived chiefly on seafood and indigenous vegetation. They were known to be cannibals, and were greatly feared by other Native American tribes and European explorers. The Ais hated the Spanish, and were the chief reason the Cape Canaveral area was not colonized by Spanish settlers.

A large number of Spanish shipwrecks were plundered by the Ais, who very rarely took prisoners. In time, the Ais added the Spanish knife and hatchet to their arsenal of primitive bow and arrow. They also salvaged tons of Spanish silver and gold, which is periodically discovered hidden in middens.

The Timucuans were docile in comparison to the Ais, although they also are known to have been cannibals. Still, the Timucuans were primarily hunters and fishermen, and also raised crops. Their agricultural activities often resulted in a surplus, which was stored in granaries.

Neither the Timucuans nor the Ais initially welcomed European explorers with open arms. They had good reason to fear the Spanish in particular. When Spanish forces were strong enough to subdue the Native Americans, many were forced to perform slave labor. This typically involved forced diving and labor at the site of Spanish shipwreck salvage sites.

By the time the Cape Canaveral area was colonized, neither the Ais nor Timucuan tribes survived. It is not known whether they were the victims of European-introduced diseases or inter-tribal warfare. Both were common in colonial times.

The Ais and Timucuan tribes should not be confused with the Seminoles, who did not migrate into Florida until the 1700's. Seminoles were not common in the area around Cape Canaveral, but are known to have traded with American settlers in the Merritt Island area as late as the 1860's.

Spaniard Ponce De Leon Explores Cape Canaveral

Although maps containing the rough geographic boundaries of Cape Canaveral, albeit without a name, are dated as early as 1502, Spanish explorer Ponce de Leon has been credited with first exploring the region in 1513. His second landing in Florida was just south of Cape Canaveral, probably near the present day town of Melbourne Beach.

Ponce de Leon was forced to retreat hastily from the area after being attacked by fierce inhabitants, probably the Ais. He did, however, have time to secure water and food, if no information on the famed "Fountain of Youth" treasure being sought.

Unfortunately, the exact circumstances surrounding the naming of Cape Canaveral remain a mystery, although the oldest known map containing the name Cape Canaveral was made in 1564, well after the initial landing by Ponce de Leon. It is known, however, that the name Cape Canaveral is of Spanish origin.

Some of the oldest surviving Spanish maps of Cape Canaveral refer to the area as the "Cape of Currents", because sailors wanted to avoid this coastline due to dangerous waters and a better than average chance for shipwreck. This name was ultimately abandoned in favor of "Cape Canaveral", a name which has long endured.

The name "Cape Canaveral" is made up of two fairly simple Spanish words. The name "Cape" was simply the designation for a point of land jutting out into the sea. "Canaveral", literally translated "canebrake", might have had a number of different meanings depending upon who actually selected the name.

The Smithsonian Institution included an account of the naming of Cape Canaveral in their 1992 traveling exhibition celebrating the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Christopher Columbus. According to the exhibit, Cape Canaveral, translated as "Place of the Cane Bearers", was named by Spanish Cape explorer Francisco Gordillo after he was shot by an Ais arrow made of cane.

Cape Canaveral has also been roughly translated as "Point of Reeds" or "Point of Canes". While there is no actual sugar cane indigenous to the Cape Canaveral area, there are several forms of plants that resemble sugar cane. These include a type of bamboo reed dubbed "nomal cane" by early U.S. residents of the Cape. This plant very much resembles sugar cane when seen from offshore.

It is more likely that the traditional account of the naming of Cape Canaveral is correct, that Spanish sailors named the area Cape Canaveral because they believed they saw sugar cane growing along the coastline. There is no clearly defined historical account of where the name actually came from.

Cape Canaveral Remains Uncolonized But Is A Vital Landmark

Several decades after the visit of Ponce de Leon, Florida remained relatively untouched by the Spanish, primarily due to a lack of indigenous treasure and an abundance of hostile inhabitants. However, Cape Canaveral itself quickly became a vital landmark.

Even the oldest known maps of Florida contain two important landmarks. These are the Florida Keys and Cape Canaveral. At the time, dead reckoning was the means of plotting the course of a ship. Therefore, ships typically remained within visual range of the coastline and used it as a reference point.

The Florida Keys were instrumental in locating the eastern coast of Florida, which was sailed along during trips back to Spain. Cape Canaveral was a vital landmark for sailors, who typically turned toward the northeast after it was sighted.

After following the Gulf Stream and prevailing winds to Bermuda and the Azores, these ships continued on across the Atlantic Ocean to Europe. However, shallow waters along the coast of Florida as well as unpredictable hurricanes plagued sailors for generations.

Since so many ships sailed the area near Cape Canaveral, it remains one of the most common colonial shipwreck sites in the world, and a popular starting point in the search for treasure, which litters the Atlantic waters from Cape Canaveral southward.

The French Settle And Rename Cape Canaveral

It is little known that one of the first attempted European settlements on North America was near Cape Canaveral. In the early 1560's, Frenchman Jean Ribault was commissioned to establish permanent settlements in Florida. French settlement would be extremely dangerous, since the Spanish dominated the seas and reacted swiftly and violently to French piracy, whether actual or perceived.

During the Ribault campaign to establish settlements, a ship named "Trinity" was wrecked north of Cape Canaveral, on what is now called the Cape Canaveral National Seashore. The shipwrecked party was able to establish a settlement nearby, and promptly renamed Cape Canaveral "French Cape".

The French party was able to do something the Spanish had not been able to. They established and maintained peaceful relations with the local Native American inhabitants. Establishment of this settlement and similar efforts by Ribault brought swift reprisal from the Spanish.

The Spanish Quickly Uproot The French Settlers

Sensing a threat to their own interests, the Spanish commissioned Pedro Menendez de Aviles to establish settlements and drive the French from Florida. The greatest concentration of French settlers had established a village on the northern Atlantic coast of Florida.

Pedro Menendez de Aviles quickly uprooted these settlers, murdering many, including Jean Ribault, under a flag of truce. Some of the French settlers evaded the Spanish, and fled south to the settlement at "French Cape". Their intention was to build an escape vessel out of the remains of the ship "Trinity" and head back to France.

In 1565, a permanent Spanish settlement was established and named St. Augustine, an area previously occupied by the French. St. Augustine remains the oldest permanent European settlement in North America. The Spanish quickly headed south to establish a settlement at strategic Cape Canaveral.

The Spanish succeeded in uprooting the French settlement at the Cape. Most of the French settlers were taken prisoner, but about 20 are believed to have sought refuge at an Ais Indian village on the Indian River.

Immediately after removing the French settlers, the Spanish attempted to build a permanent fort at Cape Canaveral, primarily for the purpose of protecting shipwrecked sailors from attack. In 1565, the same year St. Augustine was established, a Spanish blockhouse was built at the northern tip of the Indian River.

This was followed by a gradual movement of Spanish forces to the south. Several small fortifications were erected on Cape Canaveral, traces of which have been found and preserved. However, relentless attacks from the Ais resulted in a complete Spanish abandonment of Cape Canaveral within a few months.

Although Cape Canaveral remained a vital landmark for sailors in the years that followed, the area was untouched by settlers for nearly three centuries.

British Flag Briefly Flies Over Florida

Florida became a British possession as a result of the Treaty of Paris in 1763. British settlers were moderately successful at establishing colonies in Florida, although Cape Canaveral itself was not affected. The nearest British settlement in relation to Cape Canaveral was New Smyrna to the north, settled by Dr. Andrew Turnbull in 1767.

Cape Canaveral Becomes U.S. Possession By War

Cape Canaveral, along with the rest of Florida, became a possession of the United States as a result of the Revolutionary War. In fact, the last naval battle of the Revolutionary War was fought about 72 miles southeast of Cape Canaveral.

On March 10, 1783 the British ship HMS Sybil challenged the French-built ship Duc de Lausun and the American ship Alliance. The British ship, as well as three others which gave chase later, were successfully outgunned and driven off by the Alliance.

Upon the conclusion of the War of 1812, Cape Canaveral would remain under the flag of the United States.

Cape Canaveral Remains Unsettled Until U.S. Expands Southward

As the borders of the United States continued to expand, the first American settlers slowly trickled into Florida. At the age of 23, Douglas D. Dummitt established the first permanent settlement in the Cape Canaveral area. By 1828, Dummitt was able to ship commercial quantities of oranges northward along the Indian River.

Dummitt Grove was located on Merritt Island, directly west of Cape Canaveral with the Indian River to the west and the Banana River to the east. Much of the original Dummitt Grove is today located on Kennedy Space Center property. Dummitt operated an orange grove on this land until his death in 1872.

Cape Canaveral itself, however, did not receive its first American inhabitants until a few decades later. As the Dummitt groves were growing and thriving to the west Cape Canaveral remained very isolated, accessible only by boat.

In the 1840's the first group of settlers established permanent residence on geographic Cape Canaveral. These were hearty souls from Georgia and the Carolinas, mostly of English and Scott-Irish heritage. Today there are still people who can trace their lineage back to these settlers.

The first Cape Canaveral settlers occupied just a few households, but were able to maintain a self-reliant existence at what at the time was a hostile environment marked by brutal heat, plagues of mosquitoes, a challenging sand and scrub environment in which to grow crops and most of all isolation from other people.

Cape Canaveral Gets An Enduring Lighthouse

In 1843, the U.S. government selected Cape Canaveral as the site for a permanent lighthouse. The eastern tip of the Cape made a natural choice for this vital aid to navigation. Construction of the original Cape Canaveral Lighthouse, made of brick, was completed in 1847.

The Florida Mainland Population West Of Cape Canaveral Expands Rapidly

Originally called St. Lucie, the Florida mainland territory west of Cape Canaveral along the western bank of the Indian River was renamed Brevard County in 1855. The name has not changed, and today Brevard County, Florida includes the all of Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center.

Regardless of this designation as a county, there were still no roads or railroads in the area, and travel to and from Brevard County was possible only by boat. Initially, this made travel irregular and difficult.

However, by the 1880's, a regular line of steamer traffic was established from the St. John's River in north Florida south to the Indian River in Brevard County. While this did not expand the population of isolated Cape Canaveral, it did expand the population of the mainland area to the west.

Mainland areas to the west of Cape Canaveral experienced a steady growth through the 1890's, when a railroad line was extended into Brevard County. By June, 1893 the Flagler Railway reached the city of Titusville, formerly called Sand Point, at the northern end of Brevard County.

Titusville had been a popular port as early as the 1880's, and featured a mule-driven railroad that carried goods to western settlers in what is now the Orlando area. The Flagler Railway was quickly extended southward along the western bank of the Indian River through the cities of Cocoa, Rockledge and Eau Gallie.

Cocoa, formerly called Indian River City and located about ten miles south of Titusville, was settled in 1881. Rockledge, just south of Cocoa and formerly called Rock Ledge after coquina rock which extended into the Indian River, was settled in 1873 as the first winter resort community on the east coast of Florida.

Eau Gallie, just north of the city of Melbourne and located about 20 miles south of Rockledge, was also settled in the 1870's. Eau Gallie was eventually absorbed into the city of Melbourne, which itself was established in the early 1880's.

Once the Flagler Railway reached Eau Gallie, the entire mainland area west of Cape Canaveral was served by a railroad. The Titusville, Cocoa and Melbourne areas soon emerged as major centers of local population.

Still, Cape Canaveral remained isolated, accessible only by boat. Although population was gradually increasing on the mainland, just a few more families settled on Cape Canaveral, which was separated from the mainland by the Banana River, Merritt Island and the Indian River, traveling from east to west.

Merritt Island, originally settled by Dummitt, did not itself experience an influx of settlers until 1868, when agriculturists established citrus, pineapple and sugar cane plantations. Cattle was also raised on Merritt Island, which to date has never been incorporated as a city.

The barrier island area south of Cape Canaveral was not settled until 1923, when the first bridge was extended from Merritt Island eastward to the Atlantic coast. The eastern terminus of this bridge was incorporated as the city of Cocoa Beach in 1925.

Cape Canaveral Is Settled Under The Homestead Act

With population now creeping closer and closer, Cape Canaveral was opened to settlement under the Homestead Act. As the relative prosperity of the 1920's dawned, families and small businesses trickled onto Cape Canaveral. The area still remained isolated and accessible by boat only.

There were no permanent roads, and trips to and from the surrounding mainland areas took the better part of a day to complete. Nevertheless, several small villages emerged on Cape Canaveral under the wary eyes of those hearty families who had settled the Cape nearly a century earlier.

The primary villages on Cape Canaveral, traces of which are still evident today, included Artesia, located on the extreme south end of the Cape. Artesia was completely abandoned and destroyed when Port Canaveral was constructed.

A settlement nicknamed Stinkmore was located on the Cape Canaveral southeast shoreline, near present day Launch Complex 17 and just a stone's throw from Launch Pad 5 where America's first astronaut was launched. The most striking feature of Stinkmore was an elaborate fishing pier and dock that stretched about 300 feet into the Atlantic waters.

The most developed and populated area of Cape Canaveral was known as DeSoto Beach, and was located in the vicinity of present day Launch Complex 36. DeSoto Beach featured perhaps 15 permanent homes, a small hotel, a store and even a brothel.

A collection of other homes and structures dotted the Cape Canaveral coastline, and were included in a more or less generic and unofficial designation as Cape Canaveral or Canaveral Beaches.

Farther to the north of Cape Canaveral on what is called False Cape, technically the eastern edge of Merritt Island, towns named Nathan and Titusville Beach were settled. Remains of these towns are located near the present day Space Shuttle launch pads.

Although the permanent Cape Canaveral population numbered about 100 at the dawn of World War II, the area catered to numerous visitors, including many fishermen who sought to take advantage of the excellent fishing the Cape waters provided.

The Threat Of War Begins To Shape The Future Of Cape Canaveral

Events that shaped the future of Cape Canaveral began just prior to World War II. Under the Naval Expansion Act of 1938, two naval installations to reinforce the Atlantic Coast Defense System were authorized for construction on the east coast of Florida.

The first was to be located in Jacksonville, and the second was proposed for Brevard County. In June, 1939 Commander W.M. Angus, Public Works Officer for the Seventh Naval District, met with civic leaders of Melbourne, Eau Gallie and Cocoa to settle on a site.

A narrow strip of the barrier island located roughly between the Melbourne and Cocoa areas was selected as the site for a naval air station. Construction was begun in December, 1939 and the resulting Banana River Naval Air Station was commissioned on October 1, 1940. It covered 1,791 acres and was roughly 4.1 miles long by 1.25 miles wide.

In addition to supporting coastal seaplane patrol operations during World War II, Banana River Naval Air Station operated a PBM seaplane pilot training program and advanced navigation school. Although the facility continued to support the Navy after World War II, it was officially deactivated on August 1, 1947.

Although Banana River Naval Air Station property could have been quickly abandoned and turned over to the local communities, the area was maintained on caretaker status until an important decision could be made.

 

[Sorroque]

FishEye good post.
And to add to "Cocoa", It was Bernard Ramones,( so many times quoted @TNet), "A Dutch captain in the British NAVY", that said in his book "Concise and Natural History of Florida", 1773, "The mosquitos here are like that on the island of Caicos". So this is legendary of why the place was Named Cocoa. Many other theories about that. Both "Bernards Surf", and "Ramones Steakhouse"'s are history. A man named Niko,( my former landlord), owns the "Surf", and The Dinosaur Store is in the park where Ramones was.
Mason Patrick Naval Airstation. Todays Patrick Airforce Base.
http://www.dinosaurstore.com/
The old "United States Treasure Atlas", Volume of Florida.
I think this is where I got the original lead. Not a precise pinpointing at that.
A Titusville history page that was on the internet showed the location of Soccorro, Florida near the Cape.
Ghost towns too; Dummit Grove Plantation. I found a medicine bottle there, citrus product.
Shiloh., Zone., Noccorro., Nuremberg., and Crow. All these towns were on the Cape Canaveral National Seashore North of space center and South of New Smyrna.
Updating this post:02/13.
"Appeard first in history as the "Sorrochos", of Le Moynes map 1875.". Only Sorrocho I could find was Juan Antonio Fernándesz Sorrocho fined 3,000 euros by a court in Northern Italy for trying to steal the Olympic torch.

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ? I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

 

[mad4wrecks]

Dummit's Grove is an interesting place to explore. I spent a lot of time looking around there in the late 1980's. (great redfish and trout fishing area too by the way)

Just north of Dummit's Grove, and not many people know this, but in 1565, at the same time that St. Augustine was being founded, the Spanish built an outpost/fort at the very northern end of the Indian River, in what is now known as the Haulover area. (a narrow strip of land where the indians and explorers hauled over their canoes from the Mosquito Lagoon to the Indian River. As the population in the area increased, and boats got bigger, they dug a canal from the Indian River to the Mosquito Lagoon....now known as Haulover Canal)

Later, Fort Ann was built there in 1837 during the 2nd Seminole war.

Some one you may remember a guy on TNET named Pegleg, God rest his soul, who had a story about gold bars being buried in the mud at the northern end of the Indian River. A lot of history all through that area and across Mosquito Lagoon to the Cape.

On the southeast shore of the Mosquito Lagoon, historian and conservator Doug Armstrong found a very old French campsite and recovered a number of interesting artifacts, which are now displayed at the McLarty museum in Sebastian.

Tom

 

[wyobuck]

Does anyone now how close to the CCN seashore you can use a detector under water ? Anyone try? Anyone want to?

 

[mad4wrecks]

Right offshore is prohibited as well. Ask Randy Lathrop. I think the state gave him a lease but the feds kept harassing him. This was back in the late 80s.

SignUmOps may know more about this.

 

[LM]

Sorroque wrote:
Playalinda:
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks. Yes, metal detecting is allowed within this park only along the Atlantic Ocean coastline between the toe of the dune and the waterline.



Playalinda is part of the Canaveral National Seashore and falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the state of Florida.

Right !
My emails were from, Anatasia Island and Wakulla Springs park.

Not to necro an old post, but....

Don't waste your time at Anastasia State Park unless its after a big storm- even then, you'll probably have as much luck eyeballing stuff as you will MD'ing it. Unlike the Treasure Coast or the Cape, it isn't like there's a bonanza of wrecked treasure ships out there. Yes, there are old wrecks galore off St. Aug, but Spanish coins on the beach are a "once in the bluest of blue moons" sort of thing. It ain't Wabasso.

Walked the whole 8 mile roundtrip (from the hotel access down to the North Jetty and back) of the state park with a MD the last time I was down there- sticking to the tideline in the dry and semi-wet- and it was barren. There has been a ton of renourishment there, so whatever is good is buried. Once you get to the 'cliffs' about 3 miles down, the renourishment lays off and you'll start to find random stuff from back when you could still drive on the beach and that area was accessible, but I beat the hell out of it over the course of 3 days and didn't find anything of note, save for enough nasty clad from the 70's to stuff in the pop machine at the state park campground vending machine on the walk back and buy a Dr Pepper.

There is one promising maritime history area in St. Aug I know of that
1) is accessible
2) hasn't been worked recently, if at all

... but I'll only be talking about that in terms of a trip report this summer, after I've worked it over myself with an underwater PI

 

[wyobuck]

Pedaled to the inlet at Anastasia Island last Sat. Lots and lots and lots of clad alright, but suprisingly not as old as I expected. No silver at all. Thought I had a very unusual coin the size of a quarter because the back had a geometrical marking with something circular in the center. The front showed old George as I massaged it with my thumb. Oh well when I got home and cleaned it up a little more, it was just a newish Georgia quarter.
Found all of the clad right at the bottom of the cliffs and out maybe 20 feet. Stayed too long and had to walk the bike back, too mushy to ride. Bummer. Sadly we do need a storm and a big one. One that just rides up the shoreline.

 

[backlash]

Does anyone now how close to the CCN seashore you can use a detector under water ? Anyone try? Anyone want to?

ill try with you hell were close I'm in deltona and i do have permission to be out there I'm a commercial harvester i pay my dues ever year do cn seashore so if were not i bet they will just run us off

 

[LM]

Found all of the clad right at the bottom of the cliffs and out maybe 20 feet.

Yup. That's exactly where I was getting all mine too.
If I recall correctly, they closed the beach to driving in the early 2000's, so we can expect to find clad on the north end at least that new. Given the possibility of ferrous metal shipwreck artifacts was there, I didn't discriminate and since I only intended on hunting the dry and wanted the best shot at small gold, I used a Compadre. That thing is an absolute titan on small gold. Next time I'm down, I'll probably bring the Surfmaster and wade at low tide by the inlet on the Porpoise Point side.

The far north beach access on A1A heading towards Guana is interesting. I headed out there right after a big storm in 2001 and found some weird shipwreck related stuff about a mile north of the parking lot (in addition to a huge whalebone and so many foot long conch shells that I eventually stopped picking them up )

 

[sphillips]

Are ther any stories of treasure being found at Cape Canaveral during construction of the facility?

 

[FISHEYE]

A ranger found some bronze cannon up in the dunes.I know where a anchor is in the dunes plus a bunch of timbers with bronze spikes in them.

 

[sphillips]

A ranger found some bronze cannon up in the dunes.I know where a anchor is in the dunes plus a bunch of timbers with bronze spikes in them.

Wow, there has to be a "treasure trove" of artifacts in that area!