BOcare hits fire departments hard?

[onfire]

Unclebuck257:

The point of contention is the difference between Department of Labor and IRS rules and regulations.

The regs are not under the ACA - they are the Federal Tax Code and the IRS implementation regulations. Funny how Congress never found this to be a problem before - but that's another story.

Every right wing website I looked at repeated the word "could..."

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Why would I think any different, I read "The little engine that could" when I was 5, catch up guy

 

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[Dave44]

Unclebuck257:

The point of contention is the difference between Department of Labor and IRS rules and regulations.

The regs are not under the ACA - they are the Federal Tax Code and the IRS implementation regulations. Funny how Congress never found this to be a problem before - but that's another story.

Every right wing website I looked at repeated the word "could..."

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

So when you say "Funny how Congress never found this to be a problem before" What exactly do you mean by,, "Before"? That is trying hard to spin, even for you isn't it? Seriously,, if you tell us which site you go for your talking points we can go look at it and cut out the middle man.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

There are plenty of "talking points" right here. Right wing, of course.

Do you dispute this is a difference between how the Department of Labor and the IRS defines "volunteer?"

Just for the record - as usual, I linked to my source.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

I think my question to you was your definition of "before"? Oh yeah,, it was.. HMM.

By the way, your link is very ambiguous and looks like they can't figure out the disaster you love so much. On another note: Your legs are disappearing.

Looks like you argue with fenceposts, alot.

"If the IRS classifies volunteer firefighters and emergency medical personnel as employees in their final rule, fire departments may be unintentionally forced to comply with requirements that could force them to curtail their emergency response activities or close entirely. [h=2]The IAFC Offers Solutions for Volunteers[/h] In its comments, the IAFC has requested that the IRS final rule contain the following applications for volunteer responders:

1. Exclusion of Volunteer Firefighters. The IAFC identified current federal regulations that could be expanded to prevent volunteer firefighters and emergency medical personnel from being categorized as employees of their fire department.
2. Defining Hours of Service: If the IRS cannot exclude volunteers from being considered employees, the IAFC recommends the IRS count only hours spent on-duty, in training or responding to emergency incidents. Hours of service should not be counted when a volunteer merely has their pager or cell phone and are not responding to an emergency.

 

[thrillathahunt]

Dave44:

There are plenty of "talking points" right here. Right wing, of course.

Do you dispute this is a difference between how the Department of Labor and the IRS defines "volunteer?"

Just for the record - as usual, I linked to my source.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

It's amazing, how the left can spin anything, I mean ANYTHING to make it look good for them.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Dave44:

There are plenty of "talking points" right here. Right wing, of course.

Do you dispute this is a difference between how the Department of Labor and the IRS defines "volunteer?"

Just for the record - as usual, I linked to my source.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

You want some talking points, FINE.

Definition of Workman's compensation. Workers' compensation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Workers' compensation is a form of insurance providing wage replacement and medical benefits to employees injured in the course of employment in exchange for mandatory relinquishment of the employee's right to sue his or her employer for the tort of negligence.

ALL fire companies, whether paid or volunteer, are REQUIRED BY LAW to carry workman's compensation on ALL firefighter's. Volunteer firefighter's also receive a small stipend pay for the time spent on brush fires in some areas. I KNOW THESE THINGS FOR A FACT.

Under the FLSA, volunteer firefighters are considered employees on the municipality, borough, fire district, State, etc., where they volunteer.

So companies with over 50 volunteers can be forced to provide coverage under the ACA.


NEXT.

 

[Dave44]

It's amazing, how the left can spin anything, I mean ANYTHING to make it look good for them.

Usually they link hoping you don't look. Because they can't ALL be lefty sites,, but they are trying!

 

[Chadeaux]

Great post Dave. I will agree with one thing Obama has said. The healthcare law surely will be what he is remembered for in the future. Unfortunately for him I don't think it's going to be for the reasons he intended. And now I'm going to sit back & have my coffee and wait for the excuses from the usual suspects to come piling on. At the moment they are having a meeting and furiously Googling to come up with a rebuttal. Because after all it's not that facts that matter, it's simply "winning" (in a Charlie Sheen kinda way) the argument.

There is a big network of places to find all the progressive rebuttals needed to put up a smokescreen and abuse the facts. Started finding them when tracing back some of the links.

But don't let them get to you,, it's part of how they operate.

Kinda like "seminar callers"?

 

[Chadeaux]

This argument doesn't make any sense to me. It is Obammy's HHS folks who designed his horrible Obammycare Bill that are the ones stating that Volunteer Fire Depts with over 50 people must now consider those VOLUNTEERS as employees with regard to providing them Obammycare coverage. Dave44's initial post states this and it is only for the purpose of Obammycare coverage, period! They are still all volunteers and not paid employees of that fire department, except when it comes to the stupid regs under Obammycare that the libs need to fund medical coverage for those who don't pay for it and won't! In the meantime, many volunteer fire depts will be hurt by these pathetic regs.

There are over one million firefighters nation wide. And they have a loud voice. Most politicians know they are a tight group and have time to dump the ones that voted this crap in.

Probably a bit of "double dipping for numbers". Think about it: Volunteer Firemen make their living somewhere else. They don't sit home drawing checks, foodstamps and welfare. THEY WORK!!!

So, now could it be that they are going to try to "create" insured out of thin air, just to make the enrollment numbers look better?

Not out of the realm for the Scandaldaddy and his minions.

 

[NHBandit]

Just for the record - as usual, I linked to my source.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Can you teach me to be an expert Googler ? And do you give lessons on how to locate links that further your agenda without having to bother with that annoying little thing some refer to as "a mind of your own".. What ratio of Google hits that support your argument would you say you need to search through as opposed to those that don't ? It seems like it would be much easier this way, just posting other peoples thoughts, other peoples opinions, etc. Not having the hassle of needing common sense or basing your opinions on what you see with your own eyes. It must give you lots more time to post on nearly every subject you disagree with without needing to use logic. Seriously. I'm fascinated by this concept of simply repeating other peoples BS, ignoring uncomfortable questions, etc.

 

[NHBandit]

OK OB, I'm giving this a shot. Let me know if this is how you get those things you pretend are "facts".. It must be true. I posted links... Obama Really Is Just A Talking Robot Reader Obama Birther Robot

 

[Chadeaux]

Can you teach me to be an expert Googler ? And do you give lessons on how to locate links that further your agenda without having to bother with that annoying little thing some refer to as "a mind of your own".. What ratio of Google hits that support your argument would you say you need to search through as opposed to those that don't ? It seems like it would be much easier this way, just posting other peoples thoughts, other peoples opinions, etc. Not having the hassle of needing common sense or basing your opinions on what you see with your own eyes. It must give you lots more time to post on nearly every subject you disagree with without needing to use logic. Seriously. I'm fascinated by this concept of simply repeating other peoples BS, ignoring uncomfortable questions, etc.

Probably a poopaganda clearinghouse site ....

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Chad:

"Volunteer Firemen make their living somewhere else. They don't sit home drawing checks, foodstamps and welfare. THEY WORK!!!"

And you base that statement on...?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Chad:

Did you find the link to that site at The Daily Currant?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

Probably a poopaganda clearinghouse site ....

That is funny right there!

 

[NHBandit]

That is funny right there!

I think Bookie left his sense of humor in his other pants.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Chad:

"Volunteer Firemen make their living somewhere else. They don't sit home drawing checks, foodstamps and welfare. THEY WORK!!!"

And you base that statement on...?

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

Put your money where your mouth is and respond to me, if you dare. BUT before you do take a VERY HARD and VERY LONG look at my avatar.

It's been 15+ years since I held that 7 month old child in my arms and I STILL get a Christmas card every year. It took 2 surgeries and 6 months before I could go back to work. And if I was given a choice, I would do it again in a heartbeat, no fear, no doubt, all in, balls out. OB, learn something, taking live is easy, having the cajones to walk through the gates of Hell to GIVE life, takes somebody special.

You want some, little boy, come get some.

My apologies to the group, but if OB want to insult those of us who have chosen to walk through the gates of Hell, WITHOUT getting paid, I WILL take a VERY serious issue with it.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Mad Machinist:

You're jumping into the middle of a conversation - and jumping to a conclusion that is false. I didn't insult you or anyone else.

Your insults aren't going to help you make your point.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[NHBandit]

Put your money where your mouth is and respond to me, if you dare. BUT before you do take a VERY HARD and VERY LONG look at my avatar.

It's been 15+ years since I held that 7 month old child in my arms and I STILL get a Christmas card every year. It took 2 surgeries and 6 months before I could go back to work. And if I was given a choice, I would do it again in a heartbeat, no fear, no doubt, all in, balls out. OB, learn something, taking live is easy, having the cajones to walk through the gates of Hell to GIVE life, takes somebody special.

You want some, little boy, come get some.

My apologies to the group, but if OB want to insult those of us who have chosen to walk through the gates of Hell, WITHOUT getting paid, I WILL take a VERY serious issue with it.

No need to apologise for anything. OB does "drive bys" posting pure garbage, pretending innocence, and then moving on. Thank you for all you've done MM. Here where I live in rural Tennessee the fire departments are all volunteer as well. In fact it was a bit of a culture shock when I drove by my local fire dept just prior to the 4th of July and saw that they sell fireworks to raise money.

 

[onfire]

OB look up the heart and lung bill pertaining to all firefighters. Non perspective to all firefighters. paid or not.