BETRAYED: Democrats now admit they knew all along that millions would lose

[Dave44]

Dave44:

The so-called "conservatives" have decided the Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/(r)Money national health insurance plan is a bad idea because a Democratic President is trying to make it work. The Heritage Foundation told us - what, ten years ago? Twenty? - that we needed to shake the freeloaders out of the system and have everyone purchase insurance.

During the eight years of the Bush Administrations, Congress passed a law that poor Terri Schiavo was still alive. Beyond that, not much got accomplished.

You couldn't find an answer to the junk insurance situation, so you're trying to dodge, duck and deflect.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Heritage foundation decided that plan was flawed and backed away from it,, Something about individual freedoms.

Deflection from "junk Insurance Policy" I will post again for you, so that you can keep deflecting to some other vapor trail. Why would YOU be the arbiter of what is good for ME?


“That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”
– President Obama, speech to the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009 (as the health-care law was being written.)
“And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”
– Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law.
“FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”
– tweet by Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, Oct. 28, 2013, after NBC News airs a report that the Obama administration knew “millions” could not keep their health insurance.

 

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[Dave44]

Dave44:

President Obama stated people could keep their health insurance policies if they liked them.

Many insurance companies have elected to stop selling those policies. That's a business decision they made. Capitalism and profits, remember?

(r)Money told us corporations are people, too!

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Actually, you are misleading in your analysis, again. If the insurance companies change a single thing about a "grandfathered" policy it has to go away. Unless you are part of a Union.
Your logic is tortured, you are becoming irrelevant.

 

[jerseyben]

Your logic is tortured, you are becoming irrelevant.

OB and I could easily say the same thing to you and it wouldnt be any less relevant.

Of course his logic seems tortured to you. You want to win the argument, thus, "he is wrong and I am right".

Focus on proving your point and less on discrediting OB, especially with comments that are bias driven.

 

[TheRingFinder]

Dave44:

President Obama stated people could keep their health insurance policies if they liked them.

Many insurance companies have elected to stop selling those policies. That's a business decision they made. Capitalism and profits, remember?

(r)Money told us corporations are people, too!

OB - Again, as with many Lib's you are incorrect. The Facts are < - I know you hate that "fact" word.....The insurance companies drop policies because the policies do not enlist the mandates of the ACA - So ,no matter how you look at it. Obama lied when he said you can keep your current policies, knowing full well the policies did not have the required mandates of the new law.

Rebuttals are futile - truth is truth. How about a couple likes for the truth JB and PWP?

 

[Dave44]

OB and I could easily say the same thing to you and it wouldnt be any less relevant.

Of course his logic seems tortured to you. You want to win the argument, thus, "he is wrong and I am right".

Focus on proving your point and less on discrediting OB, especially with comments that are bias driven.

It is okay Ben. I will try talking to you, but it looks as if you will not listen either, now. Slowly please.

“And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”
– Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law.

What is the problem with this statement to you... Did I misunderstand it? Or did you?

 

[TheRingFinder]

RingFinder:

I find your post concerning the amount of facts in my post extremelly short on facts.

I hope you enjoy the winter. It is still 80 degrees here in Florida.

Crispin

Crisp - I find your post concerning the amount of facts in my post extremelly short on facts.

Let's see the likes form Old Buckaroo & The Uncle!!!

BTW - Crisp, The weather up here sucks. Though my plans are to be down your way as soon as possible - Maybe I'll take you out scuba diving.........

 

[Chadeaux]

“And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”
– Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law.

April's FOOLS believed him. Fitting day for that kind of talk ... as only a FOOL would believe him.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

You remain befuddled. I have no interest in determining what is best for you.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Chadeaux]

It is okay Ben. I will try talking to you, but it looks as if you will not listen either, now. Slowly please.

“And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”
– Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law.

What is the problem with this statement to you... Did I misunderstand it? Or did you?

Trying to get some people to admit that Scandaldaddy lied is a bit like trying to herd cats. It ain't gonna happen.

Why? Either they are trolling or they are brain dead.

I remember back when Nixon had the "wage and price freeze" back in the early 70's. Well, people found a way around it by deception too.

While you could not change the price on a 1lb can of coffee, there was no price precedent on a 13oz can of coffee. Some companies just reduced the size from 16oz (for the folks who say Scandaldaddy didn't lie, a 1lb can of coffee is the same as a 16oz can) to 13oz (about a 19% reduction in volume) and charged 95% of the cost of the 16oz can.

Legally, they got away with the scam because there was no precedent for that size of coffee can.

That's where a lot of your different cuts of meat came from ... they couldn't charge more for a T-bone, but if they cut it slightly different they could almost double the price per pound.

Obamacare? Same Scat, Different Day.

Factually, he is a LIAR any way you cut it.

 

[jerseyben]

Trying to get some people to admit that Scandaldaddy lied is a bit like trying to herd cats. It ain't gonna happen.

Why? Either they are trolling or they are brain dead.

I remember back when Nixon had the "wage and price freeze" back in the early 70's. Well, people found a way around it by deception too.

While you could not change the price on a 1lb can of coffee, there was no price precedent on a 13oz can of coffee. Some companies just reduced the size from 16oz (for the folks who say Scandaldaddy didn't lie, a 1lb can of coffee is the same as a 16oz can) to 13oz (about a 19% reduction in volume) and charged 95% of the cost of the 16oz can.

Legally, they got away with the scam because there was no precedent for that size of coffee can.

That's where a lot of your different cuts of meat came from ... they couldn't charge more for a T-bone, but if they cut it slightly different they could almost double the price per pound.

Obamacare? Same Scat, Different Day.

Factually, he is a LIAR any way you cut it.

Chad, it is against Tnet rules to imply "trolling". I have been gigged on it in the past.

 

[Chadeaux]

Chad, it is against Tnet rules to imply "trolling". I have been gigged on it in the past.

If it is used as a generalization, and not assigned to anyone, then it is not the same was when you say "so and so is trolling".

Some here are trolling. Do you believe that or not?

So long as I don't say who, then I am disparaging no one.

Black isn't one of the darker shades of grey. Black is black. It is the absence of light.

Political correctness is not my strong suit. I tend to say what I see - whether you accept it or not ... whether you whine or not ... that is strictly up to you.

 

[jerseyben]

If it is used as a generalization, and not assigned to anyone, then it is not the same was when you say "so and so is trolling".

Some here are trolling. Do you believe that or not?

So long as I don't say who, then I am disparaging no one.

Are you one of those guys who, when caught speeding, asks the cop "what seems to be the problem, officer"?

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

But if the insurance company doesn't like the policy...

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

 

[Chadeaux]

Are you one of those guys who, when caught speeding, asks the cop "what seems to be the problem, officer"?

No, I tend to observe the speedlimit and other laws. If I break the law, I know it.

Sounds like you may have had experience on one side or the other of such an exchange though.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Dave44:

You wrote "If the insurance companies change a single thing about a "grandfathered" policy it has to go away."

Nope.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

I don't get the dig at Unions. I guess you're not into weekends off, either. Would you have liked working at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory?

 

[Crispin]

If it is used as a generalization, and not assigned to anyone, then it is not the same was when you say "so and so is trolling".

Some here are trolling. Do you believe that or not?

So long as I don't say who, then I am disparaging no one.

Black isn't one of the darker shades of grey. Black is black. It is the absence of light.

Political correctness is not my strong suit. I tend to say what I see - whether you accept it or not ... whether you whine or not ... that is strictly up to you.

I think you are wrong on that black thing. Black is actually the absorbance of all colors. Also, how are you defining light? Are we getting into infrared and ultraviolet ranges or just sticking to the standard ROY G BIV. Some people actually think that light is energy. One fellow by the name of Einstein had a theory that energy = mass multipled by the speed of light squared. Steven Hawkins stated that nothing moves faster then the speed of light but by using worm holes it is theoretically possible to move from one end of the universe to the other. Black matter is what really confuses me....however, I'm no physicist.

So in conclusion: Up isn't up, down isn't down, black isn't black, and white isn't white. Most days I am just flat out amazed that I wake up in the morning.

Crispin

 

[Dave44]

Dave44:

But if the insurance company doesn't like the policy...

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Actually, it has more to do with whether or not Bocare likes the policy.
This is Bocare thing is really a Trojan horse. Most of the lefty comments are subterfuge and meant to take the subject off point. Government knew the insurance companies did'nt see beyond Crony capitalist greed. And convinced them that backing this law would make EVERYONE pay them for insurance.. The ins companies said HECK YEA, bring it on!

And now, as things are falling apart around them they are starting to choke on their own greed. Noted here. Sources: White House told insurance execs to keep quiet on Obamacare - CNN.com
"
(CNN) -- White House officials have pressured insurance industry executives to keep quiet amid mounting criticism over Obamacare's rollout, insurance industry sources told CNN.
Sebelius: 'I apologize, I'm accountable' for Obamacare website flaws
After insurance officials publicly criticized the implementation, White House staffers contacted insurers to express their displeasure, industry insiders said.
Multiple sources declined to speak publicly about the push back because they fear retribution."



All of Bocare was built to tear down 1/5th of the economy and rebuild it for a socialist dream. And the Progressives do not care who gets hurt in the process, they need people to be torn apart. They will then just tell Americans they had to do it, those nasty Tea party people caused the system to implode!

Good luck to us ALL!! Or... have mercy on our souls!

 

[Chadeaux]

I think you are wrong on that black thing. Black is actually the absorbance of all colors. Also, how are you defining light? Are we getting into infrared and ultraviolet ranges or just sticking to the standard ROY G BIV. Some people actually think that light is energy. One fellow by the name of Einstein had a theory that energy = mass multipled by the speed of light squared. Steven Hawkins stated that nothing moves faster then the speed of light but by using worm holes it is theoretically possible to move from one end of the universe to the other. Black matter is what really confuses me....however, I'm no physicist.

So in conclusion: Up isn't up, down isn't down, black isn't black, and white isn't white. Most days I am just flat out amazed that I wake up in the morning.

Crispin

Actually, black is the absence of all color as there is nothing to reflect.

White is the total of all color.

Unless you are painting or coloring, that's how it works.

Of course, you can debate whatever you wish ... and some will do anything to keep from actually discussing the fact that the Scandaldaddy has lied time and again.

 

[Chadeaux]

(CNN) -- White House officials have pressured insurance industry executives to keep quiet amid mounting criticism over Obamacare's rollout, insurance industry sources told CNN.
Sebelius: 'I apologize, I'm accountable' for Obamacare website flaws
After insurance officials publicly criticized the implementation, White House staffers contacted insurers to express their displeasure, industry insiders said.
Multiple sources declined to speak publicly about the push back because they fear retribution."

All I can say is why in the hell is she still in her position? In any private industry, she'd be out on her can in an instant after flubbing something this badly ... plain old stupidity is why. Well, either that or cronyism.

It has to be one or the other, or even more likely, it's a bit of both

 

[Old Bookaroo]

jerseyben:

I'm the guy who says "Actually, Officer, nobody was driving. We were all in the back seat, singing."

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo