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Who knows maybe I am ignorant, but I'll sum it up to how it all reads to me, the aca would have worked, but since alot of crappy policies by so called insurance companies are being forced by the aca to actually cover things, leaves only one reason why everybodys premiums are going thru the roof, its about maintaining their massive profit margins, if they have to cover more, they sure are not going to take less pay at the insurance company, they will just make all of us pay for it...so in a nutshell in my eyes the aca did not really change anything other than forcing insurance companies to actually cover what they used to in days gone by...its always about the money, its no skin off the insurance company that you will go bankrupt. this is my opinion.

Mike
 

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Old Bookaroo,

I sense that your patience is being tested. "Control your emotions, or somebody else will." "The fellowship stands on the edge of a knife. Stray but a little and it will fail to the ruin of mankind." You must maintain the moral high ground at all times. I support you.

Crispin
 

Crispin:

Your post is short on facts.

Good luck to all,

~The Ring Finder
 

Who knows maybe I am ignorant, but I'll sum it up to how it all reads to me, the aca would have worked, but since alot of crappy policies by so called insurance companies are being forced by the aca to actually cover things, leaves only one reason why everybodys premiums are going thru the roof, its about maintaining their massive profit margins, if they have to cover more, they sure are not going to take less pay at the insurance company, they will just make all of us pay for it...so in a nutshell in my eyes the aca did not really change anything other than forcing insurance companies to actually cover what they used to in days gone by...its always about the money, its no skin off the insurance company that you will go bankrupt. this is my opinion.

Mike

Oh but you are so close!!! Just a little bit further!!!! Think- greedy insurance companies being coerced into crony capitalist system by promises of huge profits!

That is why they started endorsing it,, The idiots didn't see beyond their greed.. How were they to know they would help write in their destruction! There is more to the story.
 

Oh but you are so close!!! Just a little bit further!!!! Think- greedy insurance companies being coerced into crony capitalist system by promises of huge profits!

That is why they started endorsing it,, The idiots didn't see beyond their greed.. How were they to know they would help write in their destruction! There is more to the story.

Thanks for opening my eyes there Dave, I did not look at it that way until you mentioned it.

Mike
 

TheRingFinder:

Tough to see how we are all losing before the game starts.

Unless people just give up.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

BC1969:

Everyones' premiums are not going through the roof.

Insurance companies are always going to make money - at least, they aren't going to go broke. The primary task of each state's insurance regulator is to make sure the companies doing business in that state don't fail and create a problem that must be covered either by the state fund or the other companies doing business in that state (depends on which state is being discussed).

As I understand it, the Affordable Health Care Act requires health insurance companies to pay eighty cents in claims out of each dollar taken in in premiums. Some of the "junk insurance" policies that have been sold probably return half that.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

"Junk Insurance" New spin on the propaganda machine.
 

Dave44:

It's obvious you've spent a great deal of time studying the issue.

Perhaps you have a better name for worthless policies?

The insurance market is full of terrible products - remember cancer insurance? Burial life insurance? Credit card insurance?

You've probably never heard of the Arkansas "crapshooter's" life insurance policy - that was just gambling, of course.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

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Junk health insurance
Stingy plans may be worse than none at all

It might seem to be health insurance, if you don’t look too closely, and most people don’t. The premiums are surprisingly affordable. And so millions of unemployed people, service industry workers, and those taken in by fast-talking telemarketers sign up. They may think they’re insured—until they have a medical problem and find out that their coverage is as skimpy as a hospital gown.

The Affordable Care Act was supposed to usher in a new era of consumer-friendly health care. For instance, insurers are no longer allowed to put outrageously low limits on the amount they pay out for medical care in a year or lifetime.

While millions of Americans have benefited from that and other reforms, many are still prey to the kind of skimpy “junk” plans the new law was designed to eliminate. Some plans, known as mini-meds, are operated by employers and brand-name insurance companies with special dispensation from the federal government. Others, such as health discount cards and fixed benefit indemnity plans, from companies you’ve probably never heard of, are so meager that regulators don’t consider them to be health insurance at all—though that’s frequently not clear to consumers. And some of the companies operate one step ahead of the law….

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/03/junk-health-insurance/index.htm
 

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Millions of policy holders who were repeatedly told by bo they would be able to keep their existing policies were lied too by bo when they discovered they were losing their policies.

Florida, California

Florida’s Blue Cross and Blue Shield, for instance, said about 300,000 members are affected while California’s Blue Shield and Oakland-based*Kaiser Permanente*will withdraw policies for a combined 280,000. Highmark Health Services of Pittsburgh said 40,000 customers will need to find new plans. CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield sent notices to more than 70,000 customers in*Maryland,Washington, D.C., and Virginia that their current plans don’t comply with the law.

As many as 80 percent of people who don’t have a company-hosted plan or insurance through the Medicare or Medicaid government programs may have to find new health coverage, said*Robert Laszewski, an insurance-industry consultant in Arlington, Virginia. About 19 million people are included in this market.

Plans bought before March 23, 2010, when the law known as Obamacare was enacted, can stay in effect under a “grandfather” clause if they haven’t changed significantly since then.

In California, the insurance shift affects 2.5 percent of Kaiser Permanente’s members, said Won Ha, a spokesman for the insurer. About 600,000 to 700,000 consumers with individual health plans will be affected, said Peter V. Lee, the director of Covered California, the state’s health insurance exchange. About one-third will receive subsidies or be eligible for Medi-Cal, the state’s health coverage for the poor, he said.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...-canceled-in-latest-hurdle-for-obamacare.html




Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States

Oct. 17, 2013

A comprehensive 50-state study has found that insurance premiums will increase under the first year of Obamacare in 45 of 50 states. This finding flies in the face of President Obama's promise that his health care overhaul would cause premiums "for the typical family" to fall by $2500.

The study,*done by the Heritage Foundation, uses a model to estimate what premium rates have been previously and what the new rates would be, using census data and averages provided by the Department of Health and Human Services. "Individuals in most states will end up spending more on the exchanges," policy analyst Drew Gonshorowski writes. He continues:

Many individuals will experience sticker shock when shopping on the exchanges. It is clear that many policies and cross-subsidization within Obamacare will lead to upward shifts in premiums. These policies include the health insurance tax, essential health benefit and actuarial value regulations, less allowed age variability in premiums, community rating, and guaranteed issue. However, real uncertainty, amidst a rocky start, surrounds what enrollment will look like in the exchanges.

The Heritage authors find that there are only five states in which premiums willdecrease: Colorado, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, and Rhode Island - a result of those states already having "already over-regulated insurance markets that led to sharply higher premiums," Gonshorwoski writes. The model also breaks the premium changes down by demographic. Americans who are shopping for their whole family on the exchanges will see more modest increases, and young Americans will see the most extreme increases. In 11 states, the Heritage study finds, people who are age 27 shopping for an individual policy can expect to see*double*the premiums they would have seen last year.

Here's the full table of*Heritage's findings:


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http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/kevi...lts-in-premium-increase-in-45-states-n1726211



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Dave44:

It's obvious you've spent a great deal of time studying the issue.

Perhaps you have a better name for worthless policies?

The insurance market is full of terrible products - remember cancer insurance? Burial life insurance? Credit card insurance?

You've probably never heard of the Arkansas "crapshooter's" life insurance policy - that was just gambling, of course.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

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Junk health insurance
Stingy plans may be worse than none at all

It might seem to be health insurance, if you don’t look too closely, and most people don’t. The premiums are surprisingly affordable. And so millions of unemployed people, service industry workers, and those taken in by fast-talking telemarketers sign up. They may think they’re insured—until they have a medical problem and find out that their coverage is as skimpy as a hospital gown.

The Affordable Care Act was supposed to usher in a new era of consumer-friendly health care. For instance, insurers are no longer allowed to put outrageously low limits on the amount they pay out for medical care in a year or lifetime.

While millions of Americans have benefited from that and other reforms, many are still prey to the kind of skimpy “junk” plans the new law was designed to eliminate. Some plans, known as mini-meds, are operated by employers and brand-name insurance companies with special dispensation from the federal government. Others, such as health discount cards and fixed benefit indemnity plans, from companies you’ve probably never heard of, are so meager that regulators don’t consider them to be health insurance at all—though that’s frequently not clear to consumers. And some of the companies operate one step ahead of the law….

Cheap Health Insurance - Consumer Reports

WOW! Your indoctrination is complete grasshopper! Go forth and spew whatever nonsensical pro socialist thoughts you may have.

The best thing to do,, OBVIOUSLY, is to saddle citizens with so much debt that they will beg for mercy,, while collapsing the American insurance markets! That is the best way to single payer socialist health care.
The system that you are fighting so hard for was meant to collapse, bookr.
[SIZE=+1]Flashback: Obama's Campaign to Transition to Single Payer Health Care (VIDEO)[/SIZE]
www.breitbart.com ^ | October 29, 2013 | by Kerry Picket
Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:23:10 PM by Red Badger
President Barack Obama made it no secret he was a proponent of a single payer health care system in America when he first came on to the national scene. However, he explained to his supporters over the years that a "potential transition" would be necessary to break away from the current system.
Interestingly, as the implementation of the Obamacare exchanges face problems and millions begin to lose coverage from their private insurers, something President Obama promised would not happen, Democrats and their liberal allies are now beginning to suggest a single payer system as a solution to the rickety exchanges.
Rep. John Larson (D - CT) told Breitbart News last Wednesday that under a single payer system Americans would not be losing their private health care coverage, claiming, "You would be covered automatically. But that’s not the law. The law is that it’s a free enterprise system and they have the right not to enter into the exchange or not to provide for you in the exchange. That is their right."
The video below shows clips of Obama explaining to supporters his views over the years about how he would transition a single payer system into the United States. At the same time he criticizes his detractors, saying the Affordable Care Act is not a "government take over" of American health care.
 

ROFLMBO ..... This just keep getting better......New York is a Blue state, they were so eager for socialized medicine lets see how they like having no doctors.

" Good morning Dr Jones office, oh you need to see the doctor, you say your real sick"
" Just a moment please, let me check the schedule"
" Okay I have an opening 53 weeks from next Tuesday, shall I put you down for then?"
" I'm sorry that is our earliest appointment available"

In the Gotham state, a poll conducted by the New York State Medical Society found that 44 percent of MDs said they will not accept Obamacare coverage. Another third are still weighing whether or not they will take it. In the end, less than a quarter, only 23 percent of the physicians asked said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges.
 

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Crispin:

Your post is short on facts.

Good luck to all,

~The Ring Finder

RingFinder:

I find your post concerning the amount of facts in my post extremelly short on facts.

I hope you enjoy the winter. It is still 80 degrees here in Florida.

Crispin
 

I have zero faith in main stream media, because it is exactly like the media in China...state run and controlled, only difference is, China being a communist state, could not care less if people know it is state run, that's the idea.
Here in our country, it's a backroom show, they pull the drapes shut on Americans eyes first, and the general unaware public, which are zombies like my avatar, believe whatever the TV tells them to believe...subliminal suggestions anybody ?

Mike
 

Treasure Hunter:

You wrote "In the end, less than a quarter, only 23 percent of the physicians asked said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges."

So - when the patient fills out the paperwork in the doc's office, these fine physicians are going to ask "And - how did you purchase your private health insurance?" If the patient answers it was through the Federal health insurance exchange (because the state refused to set one up) these doctors are going to say "Nope."

How else could the doctor learn how the prospective patient purchased the policy? Somewhat more to the point - why would they care? Because their brothers-in-law are insurance agents who didn't get to write the business?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Once Again, Fox Misleads To Manufacture Obamacare Victims | Blog | Media Matters for America

"Once Again, Fox Misleads To Manufacture Obamacare Victims"

This article is an excellent read, and it reveals the lengths that some people are willing to go to in order to promote their political agenda.

Again," short on facts"? lol

Really though, your post is simply a misleading headline, Media Matters is full of them.

In reality,, this is the headline! Obama?s pledge that ?no one will take away? your health plan


“That means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”
– President Obama, speech to the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009 (as the health-care law was being written.)
“And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future.”
– Obama, remarks in Portland, April 1, 2010, after the health-care law was signed into law.
“FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.”
tweet by Obama aide Valerie Jarrett, Oct. 28, 2013, after NBC News airs a report that the Obama administration knew “millions” could not keep their health insurance."




Despite all of the screaming about "junk Policies" This is the problem. Lies. Obfuscations. .
 

Treasure Hunter:

You wrote "In the end, less than a quarter, only 23 percent of the physicians asked said they’re taking patients who signed up through health exchanges."

So - when the patient fills out the paperwork in the doc's office, these fine physicians are going to ask "And - how did you purchase your private health insurance?" If the patient answers it was through the Federal health insurance exchange (because the state refused to set one up) these doctors are going to say "Nope."

How else could the doctor learn how the prospective patient purchased the policy? Somewhat more to the point - why would they care? Because their brothers-in-law are insurance agents who didn't get to write the business?

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Oh man, have you ever been to a doctor?
 

Dave44:

The so-called "conservatives" have decided the Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/(r)Money national health insurance plan is a bad idea because a Democratic President is trying to make it work. The Heritage Foundation told us - what, ten years ago? Twenty? - that we needed to shake the freeloaders out of the system and have everyone purchase insurance.

During the eight years of the Bush Administrations, Congress passed a law that poor Terri Schiavo was still alive. Beyond that, not much got accomplished.

You couldn't find an answer to the junk insurance situation, so you're trying to dodge, duck and deflect.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Dave44:

President Obama stated people could keep their health insurance policies if they liked them.

Many insurance companies have elected to stop selling those policies. That's a business decision they made. Capitalism and profits, remember?

(r)Money told us corporations are people, too!

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

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