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BETRAYED: Democrats now admit they knew all along that millions would lose their existing health plans

Mike Adams
Natural News
October 30, 2013

The degree of betrayal found in the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is finally coming to the surface… and it’s intense. As a top Democrat admitted today, the Democrats knew all along that Obamacare would cause millions to lose health care coverage. Yet they continued to promote it with premeditated lies such as, “You can keep your current health plan if you like it” and “your health insurance costs will be lower than a phone bill.”

“We knew that there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would [lose their existing coverage],” said House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer in a NationalReview.com article. Top Dem Admits: 'We Knew' | National Review Online

National Review goes on to report this astonishing exchange:

Asked by another reporter how repeated statements by Obama to the contrary weren’t “misleading,” Hoyer said “I don’t think the message was wrong. I think the message was accurate. It was not precise enough…[it] should have been caveated with — ‘assuming you have a policy that in fact does do what the bill is designed to do.’”

In other words, lying to the public is not “wrong.” It’s accurate but not precise!

This is how Democrats think, of course: lie to the public to gain their contrived support, and then when things go wrong, shove a gun in everyone’s face to force them to comply with their Big Government mandates. That’s the entire plan of Obamacare and most socialists: obedience at gunpoint. Mao would have been proud to call Obamacare his own.

Obama administration also knew that “millions could not keep their health insurance

The lies of the Obama administration are now so blatant and undeniable that even the mainstream media is starting to expose them. NBC News reported today that “millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.”

Obama administration knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations

NBC News goes on to report:

…50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

…the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
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Like everything else spouted by Obama, all these claims were of course outrageous lies.

Lies within lies wrapped in lies and packaged in the language of “benefits”

Obama is not merely a liar but a sociopathic liar who feels no remorse for the massive social cost of his actions. He deliberately misleads Americans into supporting a plan that was designed from the start to destroy the American economy and leave tens of millions of people medical bankrupt with no insurance whatsoever.

This isn’t simply a debate about who wins or loses, it’s an issue that impacts the lives of tens of millions of Americans. It now appears that 16 million Americans will lose their health insurance thanks to Obamacare, and employers are slashing job hours, employment positions and more. Obamacare is devastating the U.S. economy and culture like an economic apocalypse.
16 million Americans to lose health care coverage under Obamacare

Here are just a few of the lies we’ve all been told by Obama and his criminal cohorts:

LIE #1) “The average family insurance plan will cost $2500 less per year.”

LIE #2) “You can keep your plan, period.” (Total lie!)

LIE #3) “You can keep your doctor.” (Vicious lie!)

LIE #4) “The ACA will only add $900 billion to the deficit over the next ten years.” (Mathematical lie.)

LIE #5) “This is all about providing affordable health insurance to nearly all Americans.” (In truth, it’s all about the utter destruction of the U.S. economy, workers and employers.)

Rate increases of 400% – 500% or more now common

As we’re all now discovering, Obamacare isn’t “affordable” health care; it’s health care mandated at price-gouging monopoly rates.

For example, as NBC News reports:

George Schwab, 62, of North Carolina, said he was “perfectly happy” with his plan from Blue Cross Blue Shield, which also insured his wife for a $228 monthly premium. But this past September, he was surprised to receive a letter saying his policy was no longer available. The “comparable” plan the insurance company offered him carried a $1,208 monthly premium and a $5,500 deductible.

Natural News reported on a case where one couple was being told they would have to pay 539% more for health care coverage, thanks to Obamacare. Their rates were going up from $212 per month to $1,356.60 per month.
RATE SHOCK: Obamacare causing 539% increase in health insurance costs for Texans (see proof)

For Obama to call these health care plans “affordable” is an outrageous lie, and it’s going to financially devastate millions of families across America who simply cannot afford these outlandish rate increases. Yes, even those who voted for Obamacare and optimistically supported Obamacare are going to be hit with higher rates, too.

Americans outraged at depth of multi-layered betrayal, lies, deceit by Obama and the Democrats

Here are just a few of the user comments on the revelation that Obama and the Democrats KNEW all this would happen but lied about it anyway:

What a low life piece of garbage steny hoyer is. The dems LIED to ALL Americans and don’t give a damn that they did. If this doesn’t outrage the people who bought into obamacare then this country is finished. Socialism has won. What a sad day for this once great country, America, land of the used to be free.

They knew and still they went along with the lie. The republicans tried and tried to warn everybody and were demonized for it by the media and the rest of the libs. I bet this still doesn’t wake the drones up from their stupor.

I guess people aren’t laughing at Ted Cruz anymore.

Did they also know that their agenda would be toxic to the business community, and that in the first year of the socialist’s second term, 90 million people would be unemployed? Did they know more people would require food stamps and disability payments? Did they know that millions of young people would be without jobs or hope? How much did they know? And WHY do they hate America?

Even back in 2009 when they were hiding behind locked doors, keeping the Republicans from finding out this stuff they had already decided to screw the population. You must be an idiot to support Democrats when they do stuff like that. Now the Republicans are demonized for trying to protect the citizens from this sleazy, mean spirited BS.

So on how many other occasions such as COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM are you also lying. At this point we will assume 100% of the time.

They KNEW and they LIED. It’s time to light up the Congressional switchboard.

To a liberal a lie is completely truthful as long as it suckers you.

“…I think the message was accurate.” – Thank you Steny, I’m sure it was our fault, we must have listened wrong.

Liars. And it’s none of their damned business what coverage is appropriate for anyone. Who made Obama a health care expert? As a 59 year old woman that is not having more children, I don’t need maternity coverage. With this regime, who knows what will happen tho? King Obama for sure. He needs to go, along with all of them.

I have no insurance, before obamacare I was responsible for 100% of my health care costs. After obamacare I’m still responsible for 100% of my health care costs, but I have to pay the government a fine out of the money I was going to pay for my health care with. Is this a great plan or what?

This article was posted: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 at 6:47 am
 

That can't be true ... that would mean that the Scandaldaddy is a LIAR!

That would mean that Harry Reid is a LIAR!

That would mean that Nancy Pellosi is a LIAR!

More importantly, EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM THAT HAS PARROTED THE SCANDALDADDY'S STATEMENTS ARE ALSO LIARS!

Not surprising, as some of us have called him a liar for years ... all the while being accused of being haters by the self-same people who were repeating Scandaldaddy's lies.

Sorry, I can't do politically correct. A liar is a liar is a liar.

If you don't like being called a liar, then don't behave like one.
 

That can't be true ... that would mean that the Scandaldaddy is a LIAR!

That would mean that Harry Reid is a LIAR!

That would mean that Nancy Pellosi is a LIAR!

More importantly, EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM THAT HAS PARROTED THE SCANDALDADDY'S STATEMENTS ARE ALSO LIARS!

Not surprising, as some of us have called him a liar for years ... all the while being accused of being haters by the self-same people who were repeating Scandaldaddy's lies.

Sorry, I can't do politically correct. A liar is a liar is a liar.

If you don't like being called a liar, then don't behave like one.

Not interested in buying into your premise.

However, I think it is important to point out a flaw in your logic:

If people on this forum "parroted" statements that are lies, that does not make them liars. It makes them ignorant of the fact.

Again, I do not subscribe to your premise in the first place so, do not take comment that for anything beyond surface value.
 

:laughing9: ''Ignorant of the fact'' I would say ignorant of the lies.
 

old digger:

You want to prove your conclusion based on your premise.

There are many people who had "junk insurance" policies that are no longer going to be available. As Dr. Howard Dean correctly pointed out, the Federal government has an legitimate interest in seeing that products sold are what they claim to be.

I posted a thread under "Health Watch" about this. One lady who has been all over the news complaining she lost her health insurance didn't know what it covered - and didn't cover.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

:laughing9: ''Ignorant of the fact'' I would say ignorant of the lies.



I was referring to you and your liberal cohorts. The scales of denial and truth have blinded your eyes. Hopefully, one day you see the light.
 

old digger:

Can't agree with you there!

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Can't agree with you there!


As I thought!
 

old digger:

Perhaps if you posted some "facts?" Just tossing out "lies" or calling people liars and otherwise insulting them doesn't exactly make a strong case.


Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

My goodness! Even Faux News figured it out! Good thing I was sitting down when I read this!

“Well, I know it doesn’t cover lengthy hospital stays,” [Dianne] Barrette replied, adding “It’s perfect for what I want. I get co-pays for doctor visits and prescriptions. So it suffices what I need. Also, the price isn’t too bad either.”

Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher has actually researched Ms. Barrette’s coverage better than she has:

Her $54 plan actually doesn’t have copays for doctor visits and prescriptions. It pays $50 toward covered doctor’s visits, Dianne pays the rest, and $15 toward prescriptions, Dianne pays the rest.

As for hospitalization, Greta again went where CBS did not, and actually asked about it. “Well, does it pay for any hospitalization, the current policy you have?” Greta asked.


And once again, Barrette wasn’t sure — she admitted she really had no idea. The plan does not cover any inpatient services at all, and only a few outpatient services — again, it provides a whopping $50 payment toward those services, and Barrette is on the hook for the rest. Van Susteren, again, points out that even if she’s happy with the old plan, “if you are walking across the street and someone runs a red light, you are in deep trouble under your existing policy.”

=====

Sad that it took the Affordable Health Care Act to bring the junk insurance fraud to light!

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Not interested in buying into your premise.

However, I think it is important to point out a flaw in your logic:

If people on this forum "parroted" statements that are lies, that does not make them liars. It makes them ignorant of the fact.

Again, I do not subscribe to your premise in the first place so, do not take comment that for anything beyond surface value.

Not selling anything. Just stating the truth.

Actually, anyone who parroted his statements to defend him, and doesn't NOW have the decency to say they were mistaken and that Scandaldaddi is a LIAR, then they are a liar as they are effectively standing behind the LIES he used to get his way ... standing behind his bullying the congress and the public into this unworkable, uncontrollable, and DEFINITELY UNAMERICAN stack of buffalo chips.

Do any of his supporters have the decency to tell the truth now?

We'll wait and see ... but I won't hold my breath.
 

Old Book - Don't let these guys and their facts distort your - keep on keepin on brother, sometimes it's better to live in never never land.

The Affordable Care Act Proudy forced on every American (Except the select few) by Obama, Reid, Pelosi & the rest of the Insane Clown Passe.

Evil Clown.webp
 

old digger:

You want to prove your conclusion based on your premise.

There are many people who had "junk insurance" policies that are no longer going to be available. As Dr. Howard Dean correctly pointed out, the Federal government has an legitimate interest in seeing that products sold are what they claim to be.

I posted a thread under "Health Watch" about this. One lady who has been all over the news complaining she lost her health insurance didn't know what it covered - and didn't cover.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

old digger:

Perhaps if you posted some "facts?" Just tossing out "lies" or calling people liars and otherwise insulting them doesn't exactly make a strong case.


Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

My goodness! Even Faux News figured it out! Good thing I was sitting down when I read this!

“Well, I know it doesn’t cover lengthy hospital stays,” [Dianne] Barrette replied, adding “It’s perfect for what I want. I get co-pays for doctor visits and prescriptions. So it suffices what I need. Also, the price isn’t too bad either.”

Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher has actually researched Ms. Barrette’s coverage better than she has:

Her $54 plan actually doesn’t have copays for doctor visits and prescriptions. It pays $50 toward covered doctor’s visits, Dianne pays the rest, and $15 toward prescriptions, Dianne pays the rest.

As for hospitalization, Greta again went where CBS did not, and actually asked about it. “Well, does it pay for any hospitalization, the current policy you have?” Greta asked.


And once again, Barrette wasn’t sure — she admitted she really had no idea. The plan does not cover any inpatient services at all, and only a few outpatient services — again, it provides a whopping $50 payment toward those services, and Barrette is on the hook for the rest. Van Susteren, again, points out that even if she’s happy with the old plan, “if you are walking across the street and someone runs a red light, you are in deep trouble under your existing policy.”

=====

Sad that it took the Affordable Health Care Act to bring the junk insurance fraud to light!

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

It is looking like you have a hard time with facts and figures anyway.. Why are these "inferior policies " good enough for union workers and not for everyone else?(except congress that is)?

I can tell by your incessant rambling about why everyone should pay more to do what you want that you are a control freak. That is a handy trait when there are rulers and the ruled.
 

Dave44:

Your post is short on facts.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

Dave44:

I see reality makes you uncomfortable.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

TheRingFinder:

We had a national referendum on the Affordable Health Care Act in 2012. Overturning it was the centerpiece of (r)Money's campaign.

He lost.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo
 

When the American people get a voice on BOcare and the king acquiesces there will be a referendum. Otherwise, pure Marxist takeover. Reality is tough on some leftist fanatics though.
 

TheRingFinder:

We had a national referendum on the Affordable Health Care Act in 2012. Overturning it was the centerpiece of (r)Money's campaign.

He lost.

Correct he lost, now, we are all losing because of the AHCA - Anyone who lives in reality can see that, or does reality make you uncomfortable?

It's OK to admit your wrong OB. We on the right/sane/common sense side will welcome you with open arms!!!
 

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