Aztec, Cibola, Zuni, Estevan Quivara and related gold-like conjecture

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO CJ, you posted -->

my friend Roy, who I find to be one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum.
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that brow beaten, would be cowboy? Yer sick. He can't even find Naranjo or the siete ciudases de Cibola. sheehs, If'n it wern't for Beth, he couldn't even find the bathroom. - but I guarentee that he can find the chow trough easily, As for his cruchy, egg shell coffee hmmm.

I am ashamed of you CJ, you know better.

Don Jose d eL amancha

p.s hehehehehehehehehe snicker snicker

join me in a cup of his egg shell coffee?

 

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[cactusjumper]

Jose,

Let me assure you of one thing: A woman that smart don't marry no dummy. Hell, even I recognize that.

You need to step out of that back country more often and rub elbows with the more genteel parts of society.

Explorer.......my donkey, yer a dad-burned hermit.

On the other hand, you would be welcome in my camp at the next Dutch Hunter's Rendezvous. Only thing I ask is, no fartin, belchin or spitten terbacky in front of the wife. Between you and Roy, she might just get the vapors.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Springfield]

Greetings,

.... The stylized "pyramid" in the middle of Aztlan is a VOLCANO, which is apparently active/erupting. So if the Aztecs own myths of their origins are to be taken seriously (some do not feel this is justified) then we should look for a place outside of central Mexico, across a large body of water, where there were volcanoes active in the past. ....
Oroblanco

Here's an interesting petroglyph in NM that some interpret as an erupting volcano with a long trailing plume and 'seven caves' poking back down into the earth.

Closeby is our favorite turtle with seven dots on his back and the nice coiled snake. Any significence to the topic here? Lots of room for arm-waving and speculation, but we don't know because the carver is long gone and we can't ask him.

 

[Highmountain]

Greetings,

.... The stylized "pyramid" in the middle of Aztlan is a VOLCANO, which is apparently active/erupting. So if the Aztecs own myths of their origins are to be taken seriously (some do not feel this is justified) then we should look for a place outside of central Mexico, across a large body of water, where there were volcanoes active in the past. ....
Oroblanco

Here's an interesting petroglyph in NM that some interpret as an erupting volcano with a long trailing plume and 'seven caves' poking back down into the earth.

Closeby is our favorite turtle with seven dots on his back and the nice coiled snake. Any significence to the topic here? Lots of room for arm-waving and speculation, but we don't know because the carver is long gone and we can't ask him.

Top one, if it's a volcanic eruption, might be someone's rock art depicting the McCarty eruption around 1100ce, or possibly the relatively recent [can't recall the date] flow west of Carrizoso. Both of those were during times when there were enough folks leaving records on rocks to have witnessed it.

As you say, there's no way of knowing for certain, same as with most other petroglyphs. Most are up for grabs for interpretation in the eye of the beholder.

Edit: The rattlesnake one bears a lot of resemblence to one I found in a tributary to Cottonwood Canyon south of Cerro Pomo. One of those places where you feel as though you're the first human being ever to set foot there, hidden in a place choked with rubble in such a way to make it extremely difficult to reach.

The turtle [I suspect] might be on a cliff wall below what's called 'Fort Artarque' another difficult one to get to but covered with petroglyphs put there by determined climbers evidently.

Those things are definitely intriguing, but I can't claim to have ever gotten much meaning from most, with a few shining exceptions [such as the one on the Zuni Rez holding the guy upside down by the ankles off the cliff, or the big one in the desert east of Socorro showing men in armor being dragged from their horses .... along with the various shootings of animals etc and the humbacked flute players genital prominence]

 

[Highmountain]

HOLA mi amigo Springfield and everyone,

I think it would be quite an accomplishment to trace their migration route - and I doubt that it was in anything like a straight line. Then too according to their own history, the Aztecs became allied with (and intermingled with) the Mexica (people of the Moon) while on the migration, and we don't know their point of origin either. Let me ask this question - would we be able to differentiate between early Aztec evidence and early Mexica evidence?

Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Probably it would be as difficult to trace them through their traditions as it would be to trace the origins of the Navajo if the criteria required accepting their tradition and even today certainty that the Anasazi are their direct ancestors.

Jack

 

[Zephyr]

trying to figure out the meaning of what a guy in Florida with a 4th grade education and a preoccupation with magnets and cutting and moving huge rocks by himself [Ed Leedskalknin] meant in his scribblings,
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He was / is fascinating, I agree Jack, let me know if you figure the Coral Castles thingie out, will buy you a case of San Miguel.. It seems as if tonal or magnetic frequencies can be out of phase with gravitational ones and so cancel?
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(At the risk of getting a little off topic)
Years ago I saw closeup pics of the various rocks and slabs of Coral Castle (Mikeyned site, I believe. I think it's gone now.) The pics showed unbroken bottles embedded in the rocks, nail heads sticking out of the sides, impressions of automobile leaf springs in the edges of slabs, and puddling of the rock on others.
Methinks the man made his own "coral concrete" and cast out the slabs (some of which I bet are hollow), and moved them into place with winches and pulleys. The leaf springs look like they were placed before the slab was cast, and used to knock off one side of the form (the rest would come off easier after the first.) Also, some of the other sculptures have the look of being hand-shaped from a thick 'crete.
That doesn't take away from his achievement, but it's a far sight more believable way of doing it. ("How can a 100 lb man move a 10 ton slab of coral? In small pieces!")
Just MHO....

 

[Springfield]

.... (At the risk of getting a little off topic) ..... ("How can a 100 lb man move a 10 ton slab of coral? In small pieces!")
Just MHO....

Take a look at this:

 

[Springfield]

.... Edit: The rattlesnake one bears a lot of resemblence to one I found in a tributary to Cottonwood Canyon south of Cerro Pomo. One of those places where you feel as though you're the first human being ever to set foot there, hidden in a place choked with rubble in such a way to make it extremely difficult to reach.

The turtle [I suspect] might be on a cliff wall below what's called 'Fort Artarque' another difficult one to get to but covered with petroglyphs put there by determined climbers evidently....

All three carvings are located within 50 feet of eachother in the Cookes Range.

 

[Highmountain]

trying to figure out the meaning of what a guy in Florida with a 4th grade education and a preoccupation with magnets and cutting and moving huge rocks by himself [Ed Leedskalknin] meant in his scribblings,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

He was / is fascinating, I agree Jack, let me know if you figure the Coral Castles thingie out, will buy you a case of San Miguel.. It seems as if tonal or magnetic frequencies can be out of phase with gravitational ones and so cancel?
**************************************************************************************

(At the risk of getting a little off topic)
Years ago I saw closeup pics of the various rocks and slabs of Coral Castle (Mikeyned site, I believe. I think it's gone now.) The pics showed unbroken bottles embedded in the rocks, nail heads sticking out of the sides, impressions of automobile leaf springs in the edges of slabs, and puddling of the rock on others.
Methinks the man made his own "coral concrete" and cast out the slabs (some of which I bet are hollow), and moved them into place with winches and pulleys. The leaf springs look like they were placed before the slab was cast, and used to knock off one side of the form (the rest would come off easier after the first.) Also, some of the other sculptures have the look of being hand-shaped from a thick 'crete.
That doesn't take away from his achievement, but it's a far sight more believable way of doing it. ("How can a 100 lb man move a 10 ton slab of coral? In small pieces!")
Just MHO....

You're probably correct, though I don't happen to believe you are.

But his astronomy and mathematics are more of interest to me than Coral Castle. He saw a relationship between the diameter of the core of magnetic fields, the axial tilts and the rate of spin in relation to other magnetic fields I've never found anywhere else. Left some numbers describing it written on the wall. I originally thought the numbers referred to the sun and was scratching my head about how he could have known what it took astrophysicists so long to discover. But he probably didn't get it from the sun, just coincident with a more universal situation.

But you're right. It's off topic.

Jack

 

[Highmountain]

.... (At the risk of getting a little off topic) ..... ("How can a 100 lb man move a 10 ton slab of coral? In small pieces!")
Just MHO....

Take a look at this:

Great video. Took me almost two hours to load it through my phone connection but it was worth it!

Got a feeling that guy doesn't watch much television.

Thanks a bunch!

Jack

 

[Cynangyl]

.... (At the risk of getting a little off topic) ..... ("How can a 100 lb man move a 10 ton slab of coral? In small pieces!")
Just MHO....

Take a look at this:

Great video. Took me almost two hours to load it through my phone connection but it was worth it!

Got a feeling that guy doesn't watch much television.

Thanks a bunch!

Jack

off topic or not, that was fascinating! Thanks for sharing it!

 

[Highmountain]

This is definitely off topic, but since I mentioned it in the first place maybe it's best to give anyone interested an opportunity to know what's being discussed insofar as Ed Leedskalknin and Coral Castle. Here are some fairly basic links concerning it all:



http://www.coralcastle.com/biography.asp
http://snipurl.com/27wxh [www_coralcastle_com]

http://www.leedskalnin.com/EdsGenerator.html
http://snipurl.com/27wxw [www_leedskalnin_com]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...megalithsus02a.htm#The Enigma of Coral Castle
http://snipurl.com/27wy0 [www_bibliotecapleyades_net]

http://keelynet.com/unclass/magcurnt.txt
http://snipurl.com/27wyd [keelynet_com]

http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/MAGCUR2.TXT
http://snipurl.com/27wz0 [www_keelynet_com]

http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/magcur3.txt
http://snipurl.com/27wzh [www_keelynet_com]

 

[Highmountain]

.... Edit: The rattlesnake one bears a lot of resemblence to one I found in a tributary to Cottonwood Canyon south of Cerro Pomo. One of those places where you feel as though you're the first human being ever to set foot there, hidden in a place choked with rubble in such a way to make it extremely difficult to reach.

The turtle [I suspect] might be on a cliff wall below what's called 'Fort Artarque' another difficult one to get to but covered with petroglyphs put there by determined climbers evidently....

All three carvings are located within 50 feet of eachother in the Cookes Range.

I've been searching through my drive trying to find a pic of the rockart snake in Cottonwood Canyon hoping to compare the two. Not that it would mean anything, except possibly that the artist traveled further than a person might expect, or that the snake was standardized enough to have a specific meaning when depicted that way.

I still might come up with a pic of the turtle I recall as being similar on the cliff below 'Fort Atarque' off Jaralosa Canyon. I don't have one myself but I was climbing around the cliff face with a couple of other people and they might have pics of it. I'm emailing to ask.

My recollection is that it was nearly identical, but I can't swear to it because it's been several years.

Jack

 

[somehiker]

Thought provoking:
Search "Aztec wheeled effigies"
Museum photo of aztec figurine is something that I came across a while back.The only hairstyle that even comes close is that of a Hopi maiden.
SH.

 

[Cubfan64]

Isn't there an older asian hairstyle like that as well?

 

[Highmountain]

Thought provoking:
Search "Aztec wheeled effigies"
Museum photo of aztec figurine is something that I came across a while back.The only hairstyle that even comes close is that of a Hopi maiden.
SH.

Interesting pic in a lot of ways. Thanks for posting it.

Jack

 

[cactusjumper]

Somehiker,

You are on the money with the Hopi comparison, but the curls on the top of the head seem to separate it from their style.

Aztec women wore there hair down, or braided into two plates which they would sometimes wrap around their heads.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Highmountain]

I always wondered why they called that hair style "Squash Blossom" - the resemblance doesn't strike me as all that similar to squash flowers

Same with this

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

The name "Squash Blossom" actually had nothing to do with squash nor it's blossom.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

The name for this style of jewelry is probably the invention of a white man. The design, with the upside down crescent, originated with the Moors, was picked up by the Spaniards, taught to the Mexicans who passed it along to the Navajo......etc.

The design, as it came from the Spanish, had something to do with pomegranate's.

The Navajo name for the "squash blossom" necklace, is descriptive of a bead that spreads out.

Some time ago, I looked into the origins of Navajo jewelry and in particular the Squash Blossom necklace. That's the best I can do without cracking some books.

Take care,

Joe