Aztec, Cibola, Zuni, Estevan Quivara and related gold-like conjecture

[Highmountain]

Hi high my friend: You posted --->

Can you clarify this? All I can see is a natural play of shadows and cofigurations

Don Jose de La Mancha

Nope. Sorry.
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HI, by "clarify" I only wished for you to place it accurately on your photograph, nothing more. I do not pry at anyone's secrets.. Just as I haven't posted 1 / 4 of my data on Tayopa, nor will I until it is over.

Don Jose de La Mancha

It's a cross between an entrenching tool and garden spade. A lot of prospectors carry them, though the styles vary they're basically the same. They carry them at Lowe's, Home Depot, any large hardware outlet. I probably have one behind the seat of my truck or in my backpack... not precisely like this, but similar.

Jack

 

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[Cubfan64]

Real - Let me know as soon as you're in the possession of that lamp. I'll grab a first class flight to wherever you are

You mentioned that there was more evidence than just the lack of debris to indicate that those stones are natural - can you elaborate?

I've recently had a couple discussions with folks about such things as treasure signs/symbols and rock formations and such and I often seem to have a hell of a hard time seeing things that others seem to pick up on right away. I don't know if it's a "right brain/left brain" issue, or if it's just that I have pretty much NO practice or experience in picking out those things on my own.

I'm serious here when I say I would love to spend a weeks vacation with someone hiking and exploring who has both experience and patience to give me some pointers. I don't learn nearly as well from books and photos as I do "in person" and hands-on.

HM - my above comments notwithstanding, the additional highlighted photos you showed are indeed interesting - whether they really are anything or not remains to be seen as you said. In a way, I'm sorta glad I'm not in your position - the phrase "curiosity killed the cat" comes to mind. I don't know how long I could sift through those photos looking at things that I'd be itching to see in person.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Evening HI MT: thanks for the second pictrue, I can see clearly what you wish to show, but how do you account for the 6 knobs / lumps/ shiny humps 3 on it and 3 parallel just below it.?

Frankly I still think that it a natural configuration, not an actual handle. The picture is just to much BB ish. from attempting to enlarge it too much.

However, I do appreciate your efforts., thanks.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Highmountain]

HI HIGH Mountain: you posted --->

Sounds pretty iffy to me Jose. The archeologists of the 1940s still had a lot to learn and these had the incentive to find what they hoped to find so's to get on the map. I'd have strong reservations about believing it's actually Cibola.
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This is very true even today.

I have yet to find an accepted archaeological paper "denying" that this may well be the true 7 Ciudades of Cibola..

As a matter of fact, overwhelming evidence points to this as being it. None of the others have come up with a single bit of physical evidence comparable to this, to disprove it.

As another example, whether I believe Azlantis existed or not, is immaterial. So far, it , as wild as it seems, has far more logic to back it up than the theory that the Aztecs came from the mound builder areas.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Atlantis: I agree. I'm sort of the same way about the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot.

Cibola: I'd be surprised to find scientists 'denying' something of that sort. Nobody I can imagine has any investment in disproving it whereas a success at doing it wouldn't earn anyone any acclaim.

I don't deny the possibility it's true. Didn't intend to convey that I do deny that possibility. I just have my usual reservations about it, same as about most things.

Jack

 

[Highmountain]

Evening HI MT: thanks for the second pictrue, I can see clearly what you wish to show, but how do you account for the 6 knobs / lumps/ shiny humps 3 on it and 3 parallel just below it.?

Frankly I still think that it a natural configuration, not an actual handle. The picture is just to much BB ish. from attempting to enlarge it too much.

However, I do appreciate your efforts., thanks.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Probably you're right. Just looks more like a shovel to me than a natural configuration.

But then, the picture below looks to me more like someone in a sleeping bag or bivy sack with a motorcycle helmet on tied to a tree in a sitting position.

Weird the way the mind works

Jack

 

[Cubfan64]

Evening HI MT: thanks for the second pictrue, I can see clearly what you wish to show, but how do you account for the 6 knobs / lumps/ shiny humps 3 on it and 3 parallel just below it.?

Frankly I still think that it a natural configuration, not an actual handle. The picture is just to much BB ish. from attempting to enlarge it too much.

However, I do appreciate your efforts., thanks.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Probably you're right. Just looks more like a shovel to me than a natural configuration.

But then, the picture below looks to me more like someone in a sleeping bag or bivy sack with a motorcycle helmet on tied to a tree in a sitting position.

Weird the way the mind works

Jack

Heck HM - it wouldn't be a stretch for me to say it looks an awful lot like someone in full Haz-Mat gear (including respirator) taking a break.

As soon as I typed that it got me wondering if perhaps your "site" is an out-of-the-way big meth lab operation?

 

[Cubfan64]

Cubfan said ,
I've recently had a couple discussions with folks about such things as treasure signs/symbols and rock formations and such and I often seem to have a hell of a hard time seeing things that others seem to pick up on right away. I don't know if it's a "right brain/left brain" issue, or if it's just that I have pretty much NO practice or experience in picking out those things on my own.

Next time your out here Cub , give me a holler , I'll show you some not so hard monuments to spot, from Wikiup to Sonoita , take yer pic , most of the stuffs you've probably seen are speculative and are stretching it a bit much as to man made or natural
Regards ,
MB ,
Buddy Arnold
a.k.a. AquaLung

Thank you for the offer - I hope to head out there this fall for a week if I can find the time (and the $). I'll keep you in mind!

 

[Highmountain]

Evening HI MT: thanks for the second pictrue, I can see clearly what you wish to show, but how do you account for the 6 knobs / lumps/ shiny humps 3 on it and 3 parallel just below it.?

Frankly I still think that it a natural configuration, not an actual handle. The picture is just to much BB ish. from attempting to enlarge it too much.

However, I do appreciate your efforts., thanks.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Probably you're right. Just looks more like a shovel to me than a natural configuration.

But then, the picture below looks to me more like someone in a sleeping bag or bivy sack with a motorcycle helmet on tied to a tree in a sitting position.

Weird the way the mind works

Jack

Heck HM - it wouldn't be a stretch for me to say it looks an awful lot like someone in full Haz-Mat gear (including respirator) taking a break.

As soon as I typed that it got me wondering if perhaps your "site" is an out-of-the-way big meth lab operation?

The pic was taken several miles away from the others you've seen, but I came across this looking at them for some landmarks and trying to identify the trail they're using. Hadn't thought of that, but you might be right about the HazMat suit.

But it does look to me as though the guy's tied to to that tree.

Thanks
Jack

 

[MesaBuddy]

Jack ,
That person doesn't look tied to me , more like "Pinned" , YIKES !
What in tarnation did you stumble into ?? , you sure you want to be talking about this on an open forum ??
MB

 

[Highmountain]

Jack ,
That person doesn't look tied to me , more like "Pinned" , YIKES !
What in tarnation did you stumble into ?? , you sure you want to be talking about this on an open forum ??
MB

I think you're probably just calling my 'tied to a tree' and raising me. I honestly ain't sure it's even a human being, but 'pinned' completely escapes me

Might even just be a HazMat suit hanging from a tree branch. There's something above it in the tree

J

 

[Cynangyl]

My first thought when he brought up "pinned" was bugs in science class pinned to a board to examine them. Not a pretty thought.

 

[MesaBuddy]

Cyangyl ,
You got it ! , where I come from "Pinned to a tree" is done with some sharp implements
Jack ,
This reminds me of a movie I watched a couple of weeks ago , not the same , but in a sense it is , that poor kid stumbled into something he had no business stumbling into

Looks like you found sometin good , in more ways than one
MB

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Cub Fan: You posted -->

Real - Let me know as soon as you're in the possession of that lamp. I'll grab a first class flight to wherever you are
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I had assumed that you realized that you were in the top listing ?
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On picture # 3 you will notice that the veinlet extends from say the 5 0'clock position to the !0 o'clock one. The bottom area is where the thingie supposedly appears. This is entirely natures work, sorry..

As for the face with a possible helmet, again, Nature's work.

Always look for a continuation of faultings, imperfections, striations, scouring marks, breaks, veinlets, intrusions, color, textures or whatever, showing a common basis extended. into and beyond the subject in question...

If you can find almost identical markings or occurrences outside of the thingie area, then it is prob. mom Nature's work.

Sounds similar to a psychological test in determining data by imagination on a series of solid black shadow pictures, Rorschach for example.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Highmountain]

Cub Fan: You posted -->


As for the face with a possible helmet, again, Nature's work.


Don Jose de La Mancha

Works for me

Jack

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI HI MT: You posted-->

Works for me
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One cannot ask for more, no?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Nice post.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

ORO, you posted -->

Atlantis-magic-crystal-NewAge Tinfoil Hat
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Niether You nor Bill can spell, it is AZLANTIS ! sheesh

Don Jose de La Mancha


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[cactusjumper]

Jack,

Sorry you were offended by my posts. We are all subject to having our conclusions questioned when we place them on a public forum. If those questions survive the doubts of the rabble, we come out the other side stronger. I am often overly heavy handed.

Many a true story has the element of total unbelievability in it.

"The conquest of Mexico is an event so marvelous that it seems a fairy tale. If history did not attest to it with unforgeable documents, the story would pass for a fable, for the invention of a misguided imagination.
A handful of adventurers arrived confidently in an unknown country. The intelligence they acquired indicated that a powerful kingdom existed, with a strong and fearsome lord. Consulting only their own boldness, they resolved to seize the kingdom and its lord. By what means? With their swords. And how would they go about it? They did not know." Manuel Orozco y Berra

My apologies,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Highmountain]

Greetings,

What if those 'gold bars' are not Aztec at all but rather ordinary Spanish or even a private accumulation of wealth, that the Rokon-riders have a legal Treasure Cache claim on? Seeing activity from the air does not provide quite enough information to make a lot of conclusions, but besides the idea that this is the last Aztec repository, it is also POSSIBLE that these might be some successful and 100% legal treasure hunters at work. In this case, the treasure hunters are operating in broad daylight and open to the skies, because they have nothing to worry about legally - other than paying the correct tax on their finds. (YIKES no agency is scarier than [shudder] - the I R S!!!!)

I don't see where it would do any harm to mention the activity to the authorities, and if it is a 100% legal claim, the owners have nothing to fear from a visit by the authorities. Of course that is my Atlantis-magic-crystal-NewAge Tinfoil Hat morality view, but if we have to obey the laws I see no reason why others should be allowed to violate them. It is not THAT hard to hunt treasure and obey the law anyway.

Good luck and good hunting amigos (and everyone) I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

Oro- Thanks for the thoughts. You might wish to read the Antiquities Act. I think it exempts antiquities from Atlantis, but probably that's the only exception for anything more than a century old. However, I suspect this one's Atlantean and therefore perfectly legal. No point mentioning it to any authorities. Nuff said on all 'mention it to' etc. Already been there.

Do those tinfoil hats help at all? Any special techniques for getting them into the right shape?

Jack

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good Morning Jack alias HI Mt: you posted --->

I'd honestly feel better about things if you were hanging it out over the edge with speculations and ideas same as I'm doing
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You "did" ask me to play the Devil's advocate no ? hehehehhh

Whether I believe in AZTLANTIS or not, has no bearing on my posts.. As in my Tayopa data, I encouraged people to find fault in my reasoning, If they could, then obviously I had further work to do or was mistaken.

Don Jose de La Mancha de AZTLANTIS