Atlantis

[The_Piratess]

Bad case of insomnia, two nights with practically no sleep, any suggestions ? Will post tomorrow, honest

Well in that case...

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[Real of Tayopa]

As for reliable matter, just look at Tayopa. I quickly had the data I needed and eventually found it.But it wasn't until I posted in TN, that I was able to flesh out the Tayopa story I will be forever grateful to the members of TN for their extremely valuable advice and leads, as it turned out, I have almost the complete history of Tayopa, none of it easily verifiable. The Jesuits did too good a job purging the Vatican files, Even Amy, a very capable, qualified Vatican file researcher, was unable to come up with anything, But. Tayopa exists

In the case of Planet X, we have to rely on what I call dedicated deductive reasoning data. Geological, Celestial, Astrologicald ata that appeared in folklore , stories handed down before writing was used, The important factor was the sequence of a general repetitive pattern of some 1500 years. which has been calculated for the orbit.

The fact that these folklore stories appeared every 1500 or so years up to the present, including the earliest biblical times, attempting to explain Unusual occurrences in their own words .is remarkable evidence as to their validity, yet not individually acceptable.

 

[marticus]

I was listening to i think it was David childress talking about ancient south american civilisations. A few interesting mentions that rang a bell for me was that. All these distant past complex lost civilisations where refered to as atlantis. But not as the cities name. But a single name given to describe the idea of a lost civilisation. I thought that idea was interesting. Another that stuck out was the lost planet or planet x. Perhaps the passing that started the ice melt and wild catyclsms here colided with another planet or moon. Which resulted in the vast asteroid belt past mars.


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[Oroblanco]

Hi luv, we are talking of a pre biblical time. There are no solid reference points, just as there are none in the Bible. referring to geological events.This is a period where the old women were entrusted with the genealogical factors of the tribe and the old men with the geological ones, i.e. information handed down, this is a period of pre written history How would you explain Pharaohs army of charioteers being swallowed up by the red sea ? Yet today they are finding evidence of a large no of chariots by divers ? etc

We have to advance to the Sumerians to begin to have nebulous reference points

However we find that Plato gave us a basic reference date for Atlantis, yet the bible gives no mention of Atlantis, nor does
either version of the Kolbrin bibles.Remember we are dealing with a period of basic written history being effectively none existent.

As for no relible data, what about Genesis where the lord made the world then destroyed it only to mke a new one, which tends to explain the O.O.P. artifacts found?

I'll get into this tomorrow. We have unwelcome guests visiting.

I realize this post was not directed to me, but would point out that statement may be debatable. Is there really NO reference to Atlantis in the Bible? Recall how Atlantis was destroyed "earthquakes and floods" - doesn't Genesis include a massive, world-wide flood, that destroyed what ever civilization existed at that time? Also we might look at the parallels - the civilization of pre-Flood Genesis is horrendously corrupt, violent, what does Plato describe for Atlantis at the time of its destruction, corrupt, violent correct? Also we might note that the pre-Flood world of Genesis has a type of people that are described as "giants" - what is the meaning implied by the term Titans? Remember Atlas, was a Titan, and the Titans were described as giants. Donohue proposed that the great Flood of the Bible is one and the same with the destruction of Atlantis, and we do have an actual, sudden world-wide sea level rise that occurred catastrophically at pretty nearly the correct time window for the Atlantis of Plato (and Solon etc). Would you at least not allow that it is curious, that we have such parallels, in the tale of Atlantis and the Flood myth of Genesis?

Please do continue;

 

[marticus]

I realize this post was not directed to me, but would point out that statement may be debatable. Is there really NO reference to Atlantis in the Bible? Recall how Atlantis was destroyed "earthquakes and floods" - doesn't Genesis include a massive, world-wide flood, that destroyed what ever civilization existed at that time? Also we might look at the parallels - the civilization of pre-Flood Genesis is horrendously corrupt, violent, what does Plato describe for Atlantis at the time of its destruction, corrupt, violent correct? Also we might note that the pre-Flood world of Genesis has a type of people that are described as "giants" - what is the meaning implied by the term Titans? Remember Atlas, was a Titan, and the Titans were described as giants. Donohue proposed that the great Flood of the Bible is one and the same with the destruction of Atlantis, and we do have an actual, sudden world-wide sea level rise that occurred catastrophically at pretty nearly the correct time window for the Atlantis of Plato (and Solon etc). Would you at least not allow that it is curious, that we have such parallels, in the tale of Atlantis and the Flood myth of Genesis?

Please do continue;

I have thought of this too. Also there are several other cultures around the globe with their own type of flood myth. Evwn puma punku was said to be detroyed by floods. Could the myths go back even further in time then they are given credit for to the large ice melt periods. Something to consider for future research

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[Real of Tayopa]

Oro, my friend, I am reminded " that in a day and night Atlantis was destroyed" a little too quick for glacier melt, however I will concede the flooding.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, the "Sun stood still, for a period of time", too; WHAT would THAT do...? The Earth was stopped, as if HIT by SOMETHING...

 

[Real of Tayopa]

Reb, gravitational pull from X Also scragged the Mastodons.

 

[Eu_citzen]

Oro, my friend, I am reminded " that in a day and night Atlantis was destroyed" a little too quick for glacier melt, however I will concede the flooding.

Geologically speaking, one large river was draining the whole (well, most?) parts of the northern European glaciers into the Atlantic.
The size of the river? Think twice the size of the amazon, I've heard. Not sure it's true. Either way..

If it wasn't for someone giving me a like on one of the posts I did here many, many years ago I'd simply forget the article mentioned below..
But I did recently read a geological article on a ice-dam break about 11000-10500 years ago, I believe. Have to find the paper now, double check those numbers.
The discharge of the river was at the English channel. Good place to hit a island in the atlantic near spain with a flood.

 

[Oroblanco]

I see that EU Citizen has already pointed at the answer to the objection from Real de Tayopa about the flood, and would add to look into Meltwater Pulse 1B. It is the correct time period for sure, and resulted in very sudden flooding that would have affected the entire globe, due to gigantic lakes of melted ice that suddenly was released into the sea when the huge ice dams failed. One estimate of the sea level rise (after things settled down again) was remarkably close to the 23 feet mentioned in Genesis. These events almost certainly were accompanied by massive earthquakes.

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

 

[marticus]

I see that EU Citizen has already pointed at the answer to the objection from Real de Tayopa about the flood, and would add to look into Meltwater Pulse 1B. It is the correct time period for sure, and resulted in very sudden flooding that would have affected the entire globe, due to gigantic lakes of melted ice that suddenly was released into the sea when the huge ice dams failed. One estimate of the sea level rise (after things settled down again) was remarkably close to the 23 feet mentioned in Genesis. These events almost certainly were accompanied by massive earthquakes.

Please do continue,
Oroblanco

The idea is appealing. I wonder if anyone has come up with a computer model based on geological evidences throughout history. Could help pin point possible target areas on a map.

Im also thinking. If such large lakes did exist. You would think that areas to be effected in such detail would have to be in a close area.
I.e
If a lake in alaska burst would the areas of france be severly damaged?

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[Real of Tayopa]

Ladies & gent. To put things in prospective, if 2 lakes some some hundreds of miles ( kilometers ) square by an average depth of 100 ft. were suddenly added to the worlds oceans, just how much would it actually raise the worlds oceans level ?

 

[marticus]

Ladies & gent. To put things in prospective, if 2 lakes some some hundreds of miles ( kilometers ) square by an average depth of 100 ft. were suddenly added to the worlds oceans, just how much would it actually raise the worlds oceans level ?

Thats kinda what i was hitting on. Like if a huge one went in alaska. Would it have a big impact on lets say france. Or would we just see a higher tide.

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[Oroblanco]

Ladies & gent. To put things in prospective, if 2 lakes some some hundreds of miles ( kilometers ) square by an average depth of 100 ft. were suddenly added to the worlds oceans, just how much would it actually raise the worlds oceans level ?

I do not know the answer to your hypothetical question, but consider this, Meltwater Pulse 1B raised sea levels world wide by 28 meters. That is a considerable amount of water. The great ice dam floods released many cubic MILES of water at once. Not like a lake a few miles suddenly letting go, these were massive floods, larger than the great lakes of today.

Please do continue,

 

[sdcfia]

I do not know the answer to your hypothetical question, but consider this, Meltwater Pulse 1B raised sea levels world wide by 28 meters. That is a considerable amount of water. The great ice dam floods released many cubic MILES of water at once. Not like a lake a few miles suddenly letting go, these were massive floods, larger than the great lakes of today.

Please do continue,

What's also interesting is to consider is that the earth's equatorial diameter is about 26 miles greater than the diameter measured between the poles - it bulges at right angles to the axis of rotation. What happens if the planet's rotational axis rapidly shifts and/or slows down due to some sort of cataclysmic event (earth tilt)? Do the seas continue as usual, or is there a sloshing effect and relatively quick redistribution of that volume of former equatorial water due to gravitational forces? Could truly massive tsunamis result?

 

[marticus]

What's also interesting is to consider is that the earth's diameter is about 26 miles greater than the diameter measured between the poles - it bulges at right angles to the axis of rotation. What happens if the planet's rotational axis rapidly shifts and/or slows down due to some sort of cataclysmic event (earth tilt)? Do the seas continue as usual, or is there a sloshing effect and relatively quick redistribution of that volume of former equatorial water due to gravitational forces? Could truly massive tsunamis result?

I like your thinking. Thats a good question. Well gravity would keep the water on the planet and not let it release into space. So yea i think thats a good theory there.

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[Eu_citzen]

The idea is appealing. I wonder if anyone has come up with a computer model based on geological evidences throughout history. Could help pin point possible target areas on a map.

Im also thinking. If such large lakes did exist. You would think that areas to be effected in such detail would have to be in a close area.
I.e
If a lake in alaska burst would the areas of france be severly damaged?

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The idea is indeed appealing. When I lived in the arctic I noticed the river could swell quite a bit due to ice-dams during spring.

Well, my mistake. The floodings currently recorded where approx 450,000 & 160,000 years ago, according to current theory.
Apparently the whole thing is still in progress and detailed dating of sediments is not yet done?

For anyone interested in the long version:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15101

 

[Real of Tayopa]

EU, that lets Noah and the Biblical flooding out.

 

[Real of Tayopa]

Fascinating report / article EU, which do you favor ??

 

[Rebel - KGC]

When I was kid, I kept having RECURRING dreams of a HUGE wave of water (Tsunami Wave) over-taking me & I was drowned; like I was in a place like Hawaii or something; MAYBE Mu/Lemuria... dunno; AND! Today, I am like a CAT! Cats don't like water! Heh... SERIOUSLY tho, did something HUGE hit the Pacific Ocean...?