Armed Texas Dad Takes on THREE Home Intruders

[Treasure_Hunter]

All I can say is "wow"!

I think it's time for me duck out of this conversation.

Ben, they are the ones who chose the life of crime.....If you chose the path of being a criminal then your responsible for the consequences..



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[njal]

You make a lot of good points in this post.
Didn't disturb me one bit.

Let's all but these arguments in perspective. As I posted earlier, training, and intensive training breeds confidence, and sorry to admit but multiple assailants are not even a concern, period. It your familiarity, and ability with a firearm are minimum, than any one would suggest that until such time as you gain confidence with the weapon, and your mind, you might think of another solutution. Simply owning a gun, might make you feel like Rambo, but it also means that usually the first one injured will be you!

We've debated the question of respondsibilty, and morals enough to not need any more say, but what is not debated is your mental state at time of stress. You have no idea until that time arrives what will happen, and how you will react. The better, and more highly trained and practiced you are, the less you think about, and worry about, you react instinctively, and quickly. There is plenty of time to relive the moment later. the less youhave to think, the quicker your reaction time, and the quicker the situation is defused, or eliminated. Sound cruel? Perhaps, but home defense, and the proper and precise way to defending ones-self and his family aren't learned on forums, on tv, or in the movies. They are drilled into your subconsciense, and mind until they are second nature. If you have to think, and not react, you've lost you edge.

I've said enough on this subject, and it's not one I like discussing. That lowers my edge. you always have the best defense when everything is over before you have to think about. Prepare and practice.....An learn from ones who experience this on a daily basis. I've said too much, and beg that what I have said makes sense, and if it disturbs you, so be it. This is not a subject to be handled lightly! Thank you!

 

[GMD52]

I need to say I'm sorry for the typos in my previous post. This is a subject that is a part of my life, and these rights and skills I have have been learned and oracticed with a purpose. I would like to say to Ben, and others who like these debates, not to give up and leave in a huff. You bring valid points to the table, but retreat when your points aren't excepted. You are of a different generation, and you younger people are the future of this country, and my concern is that the nation as a whole has much thinner skin, than my generation.

Please understand where I come from, in my house when I was young all the weapons were loaded, and ready. My father, and grandfather said an empty gun was the one that will get you hurt. I have been shooting and hunting since early age, and shot competitive combat matches professionally for 5 years. I know my capibilities and skill level, but talking about it here has been a challenge, due to the fact that we are taught to blend in and be the unknown entity. As you can see from this bluss, and bluster, and most exceptionally arrogance does not impress me. But hat's for me to live with, and not you. But don't give up, because you either don't agree, or don't understand. Education runs both ways, and closing ones mind will never allow that mind to grow and expand. Again I beg your indulgence, and thank you.

 

[Crispin]

My link seemed to upset you so I’m suggesting for you to skip over them.

I doubt very much you or anyone else will ever control my emotions. :-)

Didn't upset me in the least. It seemed my posts were upsetting you, which is why you suggested I skip over yours, which was why, I in turn, suggested you skip over mine. I have no desire to control your emotions. I have a hard enough time keeping my own in check. Just giving you a friendly reminder...that was all.

 

[Backbacon]

Let's all but these arguments in perspective. As I posted earlier, training, and intensive training breeds confidence, and sorry to admit but multiple assailants are not even a concern, period. It your familiarity, and ability with a firearm are minimum, than any one would suggest that until such time as you gain confidence with the weapon, and your mind, you might think of another solutution. Simply owning a gun, might make you feel like Rambo, but it also means that usually the first one injured will be you!

We've debated the question of respondsibilty, and morals enough to not need any more say, but what is not debated is your mental state at time of stress. You have no idea until that time arrives what will happen, and how you will react. The better, and more highly trained and practiced you are, the less you think about, and worry about, you react instinctively, and quickly. There is plenty of time to relive the moment later. the less youhave to think, the quicker your reaction time, and the quicker the situation is defused, or eliminated. Sound cruel? Perhaps, but home defense, and the proper and precise way to defending ones-self and his family aren't learned on forums, on tv, or in the movies. They are drilled into your subconsciense, and mind until they are second nature. If you have to think, and not react, you've lost you edge.

I've said enough on this subject, and it's not one I like discussing. That lowers my edge. you always have the best defense when everything is over before you have to think about. Prepare and practice.....An learn from ones who experience this on a daily basis. I've said too much, and beg that what I have said makes sense, and if it disturbs you, so be it. This is not a subject to be handled lightly! Thank you!

I agree with you 100% about proper firearm training and efficiency. As a RESPONSIBLE gun owner one should be properly trained and be proficient with their firearms. Proper training and firearm safety go hand in hand with each other and I'm sure that we can all agree that it is not the case with many gun owners. There are too many deaths every year of innocent children because of irresponsible gun owners. The new generation are a shadow of the older one when in comes to responsible gun ownership and the proper handling of firearms. Stress in our society is at an all time high and with that comes irrational thought and behavior patterns that do not mix well with the availability of firearms to everyone. That being said, drug and alcohol abuse has skyrocketed in the last couple of decades and there has been many new, powerful drugs that are on the streets which can turn the good to bad in a snap. I believe in the right to bear arms, I just don't think that with the mentality of the world today that they should be readily available to anyone at any time without question. To further what I stated, I'm sure that there will be few dead and many injured tomorrow due to people that are untrained and not proficient with the use of Fireworks. If someone breaks in or you do truly feel that your family's life or well being is genuinely threatened, let them have it. I for one am not going to open fire just because someone has stepped on my property or that is banging on my door. It seems that many people dream for the day that they can play Rambo and shoot someone, just not this guy.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I agree with you 100% about proper firearm training and efficiency. As a RESPONSIBLE gun owner one should be properly trained and be proficient with their firearms. Proper training and firearm safety go hand in hand with each other and I'm sure that we can all agree that it is not the case with many gun owners. There are too many deaths every year of innocent children because of irresponsible gun owners. The new generation are a shadow of the older one when in comes to responsible gun ownership and the proper handling of firearms. Stress in our society is at an all time high and with that comes irrational thought and behavior patterns that do not mix well with the availability of firearms to everyone. That being said, drug and alcohol abuse has skyrocketed in the last couple of decades and there has been many new, powerful drugs that are on the streets which can turn the good to bad in a snap. I believe in the right to bear arms, I just don't think that with the mentality of the world today that they should be readily available to anyone at any time without question. To further what I stated, I'm sure that there will be few dead and many injured tomorrow due to people that are untrained and not proficient with the use of Fireworks. If someone breaks in or you do truly feel that your family's life or well being is genuinely threatened, let them have it. I for one am not going to open fire just because someone has stepped on my property or that is banging on my door. It seems that many people dream for the day that they can play Rambo and shoot someone, just not this guy.

None of us are dreaming of being "Rambo", but we do believe in the right to protect ourselves and our familes with deadly force..... If someone is in my yard, no I will not open fire, they kick in my front door, yes I am going to open fire with full intent to kill, I am not going to wait to see if they plan on being a polite criminal or evil criminal, by kicking in my door they have already shown they have intend to do harm to my family and I, they have already chosen to be evil and criminals when they forced their way in, they can expect to be treated as such with deadly force. If people are kicking my door trying to get in or breaking windows to get in, I will not retreat to back bedroom and hope they go away, they will be shot before they enter the home...

When I was younger I stopped an attempeted kidnap and rape when a man was trying to drag a girl into a car at night in an apartment complex, I was not armed and he got away in the car, if I had a weapon at that time then yes I would have opened fire.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Time for me to sound like Stockpicker...sorry folks. This is an N of one, you are cherry picking, I can find just as many of the opposite examples. In other words, this example has no relevance to the otherwise semi-intelligent conversation that was occuring. I don't need to read any articles or hear anybody's stories about atrocities committed by one human to another? Do you get it yet? I know a heck of a lot more about this then 99% of you. You just read the newspaper...I hear the stories from the survivors. I do this on a daily basis. Off my soap box.

"Control your emotions or somebody else will."

Crispin

I do not understand how you can say story is not related, it is a story of a home invasion in which the family was slaughtered by the evil that broke in... Guns are used millions of times a year to protect honest citizens lives.

 

[Crispin]

I do not understand how you can say story is not related, it is a story of a home invasion in which the family was slaughtered by the evil that broke in... Guns are used millions of times a year to protect honest citizens lives.

I am talking about scientific method. For every story you can give me where guns killed to save a person's life I can give you a story where an innocent child was killed. To further intelligent conversation on this subject we have to stop citing specific examples and start talking about the overall consequences. Do you see now?

 

[Crispin]

I agree with you 100% about proper firearm training and efficiency. As a RESPONSIBLE gun owner one should be properly trained and be proficient with their firearms. Proper training and firearm safety go hand in hand with each other and I'm sure that we can all agree that it is not the case with many gun owners. There are too many deaths every year of innocent children because of irresponsible gun owners. The new generation are a shadow of the older one when in comes to responsible gun ownership and the proper handling of firearms. Stress in our society is at an all time high and with that comes irrational thought and behavior patterns that do not mix well with the availability of firearms to everyone. That being said, drug and alcohol abuse has skyrocketed in the last couple of decades and there has been many new, powerful drugs that are on the streets which can turn the good to bad in a snap. I believe in the right to bear arms, I just don't think that with the mentality of the world today that they should be readily available to anyone at any time without question. To further what I stated, I'm sure that there will be few dead and many injured tomorrow due to people that are untrained and not proficient with the use of Fireworks. If someone breaks in or you do truly feel that your family's life or well being is genuinely threatened, let them have it. I for one am not going to open fire just because someone has stepped on my property or that is banging on my door. It seems that many people dream for the day that they can play Rambo and shoot someone, just not this guy.

This point should not be ignored. The current weed is not your daddy's weed. The average weed is 10x as potent as what was available during Woodstock. Scientists have used Mendelian genetics to cross hybrid more potent forms. Our understanding of organic chemistry has become an exponentiation. SpiritRelic's LSD does not hold a candle to the synthetic amphetamines and hallucinogens that are literally legal to buy in your local grocery store.

 

[Crispin]

None of us are dreaming of being "Rambo", but we do believe in the right to protect ourselves and our familes with deadly force..... If someone is in my yard, no I will not open fire, they kick in my front door, yes I am going to open fire with full intent to kill, I am not going to wait to see if they plan on being a polite criminal or evil criminal, by kicking in my door they have already shown they have intend to do harm to my family and I, they have already chosen to be evil and criminals when they forced their way in, they can expect to be treated as such with deadly force. If people are kicking my door trying to get in or breaking windows to get in, I will not retreat to back bedroom and hope they go away, they will be shot before they enter the home...

When I was younger I stopped an attempeted kidnap and rape when a man was trying to drag a girl into a car at night in an apartment complex, I was not armed and he got away in the car, if I had a weapon at that time then yes I would have opened fire.

When I was younger I saved lives via cpr, when I was older I saved lives via cpr. Evil will persist is in this world irregardless of anything you or I can do. Truly, the most powerful source we have available to us is speech. "The triumph of evil is assured by the silence of good men."

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I am talking about scientific method. For every story you can give me where guns killed to save a person's life I can give you a story where an innocent child was killed. To further intelligent conversation on this subject we have to stop citing specific examples and start talking about the overall consequences. They do not have to be armed, you only have to be in fear of your or your love ones lives. you see now?

On average 1500 kids a year die by guns. Your telling me only 1500 lives are saved by guns, my friend that is not even close.

Women alone on average use firearms over 200,000 times a year just to stop domestic abuse, do they not count.



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[Crispin]

On average 1500 kids a year die by guns. Your telling me only 1500 lives are saved by guns, my friend that is not even close.

Women alone on average use firearms over 200,000 times a year just to stop domestic abuse, do they not count.



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My friend, you are preaching to the choir. Remember? I don't want to take your gun away. However, citing one example at a time is nonsense. Citing research articles that show the statistics you just defined CANNOT be ignored; nor, should they be ignored. I am a strong proponent of the second amendment. However, if you want the right side to take you seriously then you cannot site one single example at a time. You have to present a united front, with sound research, and statistics that are solid in foundation. I'm on your side. I know how the right side will respond and attack single example sources. Don't confuse me with Stockpicker. I may sound like him; however, I am not here to cause dysfunction. Irregardless, the rules of logic must be applied. The left must learn them and apply; only then, will there arguments be strong. All of founder fathers encouraged every man to be educated. Thomas Jefferson created his own curriculum for whom aspiring academics should read. Do you disagree?

 

[austin]

Dear Austin,

We are a little ahead of you on posts. Also, how big are 12 guage shot guns? Unless you got one loaded sitting right next to you at all times then how long is it going to take you to get it. Also, if you have a child at home is it the smartest idea to have easy access to a loaded 12 guage shot gun at anytime? What happens if you keep one next to the couch, do you take it with you when you go to the bathroom? Think about it, with young ones in the house, only takes a child a second to have a fatal accident.

Crispin

Actually, it's just me and the cat. I gave him the 44 special cause he is a much better shot than me. I have a couple of "scatterguns" around and a Kel Lac short gun. 15 total 12 gauge OO. And they are all in easy reach. Now, be careful if you ever come visit. The cat hates all Dr's, real and pretend and no telling what could happen...

 

[Backbacon]

Actually, it's just me and the cat. I gave him the 44 special cause he is a much better shot than me. I have a couple of "scatterguns" around and a Kel Lac short gun. 15 total 12 gauge OO. And they are all in easy reach. Now, be careful if you ever come visit. The cat hates all Dr's, real and pretend and no telling what could happen...

I wonder why some politicians may want to take peoples guns away? Take a look in the mirror and you'll see the problem. Comments like that are what the gun grabbers are looking for. Telling Crispin to be careful if he comes over because your cat will shoot him? What's wrong with your head eh? I'm heading out to the bush till Monday and I'll deal with the rest of this thread if it's not locked by then. Happy fourth of July, now go play with you gunpowder.

 

[Crispin]

I wonder why some politicians may want to take peoples guns away? Take a look in the mirror and you'll see the problem. Comments like that are what the gun grabbers are looking for. Telling Crispin to be careful if he comes over because your cat will shoot him? What's wrong with your head eh? I'm heading out to the bush till Monday and I'll deal with the rest of this thread if it's not locked by then. Happy fourth of July, now go play with you gunpowder.

What a great response! I guess Austin's cat doesn't care much for puppies not worried about a government takeover either?

Crispin

 

[Bum Luck]

An people want to take away your right to defend yourself and family.

For the record - not this "people".

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I wonder why some politicians may want to take peoples guns away? Take a look in the mirror and you'll see the problem. Comments like that are what the gun grabbers are looking for. Telling Crispin to be careful if he comes over because your cat will shoot him? What's wrong with your head eh? I'm heading out to the bush till Monday and I'll deal with the rest of this thread if it's not locked by then. Happy fourth of July, now go play with you gunpowder.

Its a joke..... Come to my house my parrot will bite you......

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