Apache of the Superstitions

Arizona H.R. 687 the Oak Flat Resolution Copper land swap is being voted on today.

Last week protestors and tribal chair members from the San Carlos Apache nation traveled to Superior High School to publicly oppose the passage of Arizona H.R. 687, the Southeast Arizona Land Exchange, also known as the Oak Flat Land Exchange. And to voice claims of cultural and NEPA (National Environmental Protection Agency) violations by congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick District 1.

Chi’ Chil’ Ba Goteel. Arizona H.R. 687 is proposed and sponsored by Ann Kirkpatrick of Dist. 1 and Paul Gosar of Dist. 4. Kirkpatrick and Gosar planned to meet with the foreign owned, Resolution Copper Company just days before the Superior City Council election in which Soyla Peralta and Mila Lira were running for the same seat. Councilwoman Peralta and members of the Superior town council recently voted to oppose the land exchange during a special town meeting.

Resolution Copper Mining Co. is owned by Rio Tinto PLC United Kingdom, and BHP Biliton of Australia, foreign mining corporations. Rio Tinto and BHP are under contract and jointly working with the Government mining ministry of Iran on
a similar operation in the African interior.

In 1955 President Eisenhower set aside the Oak Flat reserve as part of the Tonto National Forest and to preserve sacred and cultural sites of the Pinal and San Carlos Apache tribes. Eisenhower’s proclamation insured the preserve would be, “ off limits to mining.”

Resolution Co. proposes a 7,000 foot, block cave mining operation on the preserve site.
For those who know underground mining, block caving is a dangerous and environmentally unsafe way to extract ore bodies. It is employed to mine massive low grade, steeply dipping ore bodies in high fracture rock.

In this block cave method, an undercut and haulage access is driven under the ore body in what is called a drawbell. The drawbell’s serve as the place for caving rock to fall into. The ore is drilled and blasted above the first undercut and falls into the drawbell. As ore is removed from the drawbell’s the ore body continues caving in, providing a steady stream of ore.

Hard rock miners know the flaws in this method all too well. If caving stops and removal of the ore continues, a large void forms, resulting in the potential for a sudden massive collapse accompanied by a deadly windblast throughout the mine.

Block caving was designed to work in rock that is heavily fractured. At Oak flats the rock from surface to 7000 feet is hard rock. The hard rock has to be preconditioned by blasting and hydraulic fracturing. Fracturing would require 40,000 acre feet of water each year. That might not sound like much to you but imagine an acre with water standing one foot high in it. Now multiply that by 40,000. An acre foot contains 43,560 cubic feet of water. Resolution would use 1,742,400,000 cubic feet of water a year for 30 years. And that water would be mixed with chemicals, oils and toxins creating a poisonous soup that would not be pumped back out of the mine, it would remain underground where it would mix with the deep water tables that the communities of Globe, Miami, Superior and San Carlos rely on. The same mineral belt that holds the rich copper deposits under Oak Flat continues NW under the Superstition mountains. Deep water under the Superstitions would eventually be contaminated by this block cave fracturing.

Oak Flat is a sacred area to the San Carlos Apache known as Gan Bi Kuh.

I urge everyone to support tribal chairman Terry Rambler and the San Carlos protestors and call or write Rep. Kirkpatrick and Gosar and voice your strong opposition to this land swap.

Matthew Roberts
 

Frank,

Yes indeed, yesterdays vote was good news but the fight is not over. Arizona Fish and Game, State Rep. Kirkpatrick and Gosar and Sen. McCain will try again. It was a close vote and hopefully McCain's companion bill in the Senate will never see the light of a vote now that the House has defeated this miserable excuse for a land swap.

Matthew

Mat, Thank's again for posting. I believe your right about the Senate, the House has alot more of them crazy's running around trying the get attention! McCain was one of my Heros for years, but he is who, and what he has become! Let us know if anything else like this is being sliped by us. Have a good one Mat, and be safe.
Frank
 

If I remember right,but check to make sure.mccain was the one who got the Supes wilderness area involved or settled,or put in place.
Maybe he has interests in the supes.
 

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If I remember right,but check to make sure.mccain was the one who got the Supes wilderness area involved or settled,or put in place.
Maybe he has interests in the supes.

Hello Roadrunner
Your right, McCain was involved in the wilderness act, that was years ago, and Washington seems to have changed him after he lost the election for President. Take care, be safe.
Frank
 

Posts deleted for being off topic and personal.

If a member is on this board, then refer to him by his user name not his real name, keep all personal comments about any TN member off the thread or I will give long timeouts and lock thread down tight and it will stay locked....
 

Posts deleted for being off topic and personal.

If a member is on this board, then refer to him by his user name not his real name, keep all personal comments about any TN member off the thread or I will give long timeouts and lock thread down tight and it will stay locked....

T.H.,

Despite being singled out here, I will not go back through the threads and cut and paste all of the personal comments and slights that have been sent my way. I assume, someone complained about that post, so you are just doing your job. All things considered, I thought it was a fairly nice post.

Thanks for using such a light hand on such a personal matter. I am aware it could have been worse.

Take care,

Joe
 

T.H.,

Despite being singled out here, I will not go back through the threads and cut and paste all of the personal comments and slights that have been sent my way. I assume, someone complained about that post, so you are just doing your job. All things considered, I thought it was a fairly nice post.

Thanks for using such a light hand on such a personal matter. I am aware it could have been worse.

Take care,

Joe

You were not singled out, I named no names....

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You were not singled out, I named no names....

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

T.H.,

Sorry, I thought you deleted my post where I mentioned some personal history.

My mistake?:dontknow:

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo
 

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Everyone,

Spoke yesterday with the council office at San Carlos, the Oak Flat land swap is still not dead and Arizona legislators are going full bore to push the bill, H.R. 687 through. Last weeks vote in the US House was not a full vote. It was a vote on two ammendments to the bill, both soundly defeated. The full vote was pushed aside when proponents of the bill saw they didn't have enough votes to get the land swap approved.

HR 687, the Resolution Copper mine land swap bill, was once again pushed aside from having a full vote of the U.S. House of Representatives. The legislation to pave the way for a new $6 billion dollar copper mine east of Superior, Ariz. was on the calendar last Thursday morning for the entire house vote. Although more than an hour late, the proceedings did start with heated debates on an amendment to the land swap requested by Democratic Congresswoman Grace Napolitano of California and another amendment to the measure sought by Arizona Democratic Congressman Raul Grijalva. Both of these members of Congress are opponents to the new 7,000 foot underground mine, and both of their proposed changes to HR 687 were defeated by votes of the House, 217 to 191 and 227 to 180.

This is not over yet. Those in favor of the Land swap will not let this come to a full vote until they feel they have the votes to get it passed. The Speaker of the House should demand full vote on the issue but he is unfortunately in favor of the passage of HR 687. Please call or write your Arizona House Representative and voice your opposition to H.R. 687 and demand a full vote in the House.

Matthew
 

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Where you down here this weekend.
Is that the pond in the back ground on the way up to the old #9?
 

Hello Everyone

Interesting read:


A type of site never before described by archaeologists is shedding new light on the prehistory of the American Southwest and may change conventional thinking about the ancient migrations that shaped the region.

The sites, discovered in the southern mountains of Arizona and New Mexico, are remote Apache encampments with some often “disguised” features that have eluded archaeologists for centuries.

And their discovery is surprising not only for their seclusion but also for their age, because some sites appear to date back hundreds of years before Apaches were thought to have migrated to the region.

“[T]he dates suggest that Apache groups were present in the southernmost Southwest in the 14th century, long before the arrival of Europeans, countering long-held notions that the Apache were late arrivals from the Plains,” writes Dr. Jeni Seymour, research associate with New Mexico’s Jornada Research Institute and the University of Colorado Museum.

The sites are called platform cave caches, where small, uniquely constructed platforms were built in rockshelters to secretly hold a stash of goods for later use, Seymour writes in the Journal of Field Archaeology, where she describes the finds.

The structures were sometimes “disguised” by rocks and other features in the caves, and typically included a ring of stones layered with ersatz shelves made from local desert plants, like ocotillo or yucca, and secured on the top with grasses, branches and stones.

The Apache practice of caching goods in caves — like pottery, basketry, food and, in later years, weapons and ammunition — has turned up in accounts from 19th century Native Americans and settlers, but no evidence of the custom had ever been found before.

Seymour notes that such secret stashes were necessities for itinerant people like the ancestral Apache, whose livelihoods often came from raiding other bands or foraging in places that were frequently under the control of other groups.

This may explain why the newfound caches were discovered only in remote mountain spots, and in areas far outside the boundaries of other, more sedentary farming groups, like the Mogollon, Mimbres or Hohokam.

But, the author notes, the sites do fall within the historic range of particular Apache bands, including the Mescalero of southern New Mexico, and the Chiricahua in Arizona, who offered one of the last and longest resistances to European-American control.

The most convincing evidence of the sites’ origin, however, is the fact that many include uniquely Apache artifacts, such as pottery and rock art.

One of the best-preserved platform caches Seymour found, in Arizona’s Peloncillo Mountains, features fragments of a ceremonial headdress, a ritual staff or “wand,” and four pictographs that depict Apache “mountain spirit masks” drawn in charcoal.

“The distinctly Apache imagery illustrates some continuity in symbolic expression through time and provides a means for archaeologists to definitively apply a cultural affiliation to associated material culture, in this case, the platform cache,” she writes.

In the case of the Peloncillo site, radiocarbon dating of yucca fibers used to build the cache were dated to the 1600s.

But grass samples from another platform cache just a few kilometers away, at a site called Whitlock Mountain, returned two sets of dates from the mid-1400s — more than 200 years before ancestral Apaches were conventionally thought to have migrated into the southwest from the Great Plains.

The new platform caches add to previous research Seymour has conducted in Arizona’s Dragoon Mountains, where another Apache camp — this one without a cache — was dated to the 14th and 15th centuries.

So while experts have long surmised from historic accounts that Apaches migrated to the Southwest after the 1680s, she concludes, “such interpretations are not sustainable when considered in the context of this new archaeological evidence.”

The new dates “open a host of new possibilities regarding the end of prehistory,” Seymour writes, suggesting that the years leading up to European contact may have been marked by interactions — either peaceful or not — between the itinerant Apaches and more sedentary groups, and that those relationships may have been long-standing by the time the Spanish appeared.

Taken together, she says, the new data provided by the platform caches “provide a basis for reevaluating long-held views about the end of prehistory and the arrival of ancestral Apachean groups in the heart of the American Southwest.”
http://westerndigs.org/long-hidden-site


Starman
 

"Our clan knew this mountain as dzil daho-il, other clans knew it as dzil gageedilje, ravens fly over mountain."

Wonder which mountain that might be? And wonder what other names it might have?
 

Everyone,



The legislation to pave the way for a new $6 billion dollar copper mine east of Superior, Ariz. was on the calendar last Thursday morning for the entire house vote.


Matthew

Dont you realize that the 6 billion will mean the Feds will not have to borrow money for a total of 30 hours? (You can check my math, but the Fed borrows 200 mill an hour x 30 hours = 6 bill...yup I am correct). Do you really think this deal is not going to go through sooner or later? Just sayin.....:laughing7:
 

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