Ancient coin ? (Updated! more pics)

[history hunter]

I found this coin while metal detecting when I was a kid. I thought it was fake until I brought it to a coin show and a dealer said it was not necessarily fake. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it?

 

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[Silver Searcher]

Perhaps they wern't minted in US but took there by explorers to trade it's all fasanating, we will proberbly never no

The main thing is to find out what exactaly HH find is, like I have said before, I have a Mark Anthoney coin which should be Silver, but it's Bronze.

I emailed a collecter who said it was proberbly a Plated Silver(there are no traces of Silver) I have never found another on line that was a Plated Copy

SS

This is getting out of hand. Yes we can know.. Maybe a little reading up on ancient buried coins is necessary to recognize patina and discoloration. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/moonmoth/patina_coins.html

http://coins.about.com/od/coinsglossary/g/coin_patina.htm

Put your Mark Antony in a new post and maybe someone can help ID it for you. Would love to see it.

HHs coin/medallion is not silver nor silver plated. From the picture, it appears to have some form of brass guilting or plating that is clearly wearing off. It may not even be solid bronze. The few corroded spots seem to reveal a different, possibly zinc, base metal.

Ill repost HH's coin here (with the shiny brass loop) because maybe some of us are forgetting what it looks like. Notice the shiny brass-like plating wearing off, similar to a zincoln.

I don't have to read up about patina on Ancient coins I dig them up every week just because there are no visible signs of Silver plating doesn't mean to say it never was and as for the Brass loop, that could have been added to HH coin recently.

There are many different colour types of patina, it could even be Brass Romans made coins from Brass, I don't suppose they were the first

SS.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I don't have to read up about patina on Ancient coins I dig them up every week just because there are no visible signs of Silver plating doesn't mean to say it never was and as for the Brass loop, that could have been added to HH coin recently.

Yes I saw your great finds in the banner. I have never dug an ancient coin but I asked you a while back to please post a pic of a dug ancient coin that has no patina, corrosion or discoloration. I believe you stated that they (a single bronze coin) can come out of the ground looking like the day they were lost. I find this hard to believe so please post a pic of these dug coins so I can learn. 8)

Pictures can be deceiving but you admit that the brass ring is new but you cant see the coin? It looks like a shiny zincoln with the surface shine wearing off. The plating is wearing off on the high spots and Im not talking about silver. It seems to me that a thousand year old buried coin would have no plating left, like your Anthony, or at the least it would be discolored.


HistoryHunter has posted some great pics and there are a couple of tiny spots that appear to be corroded and may be exposing the base metal.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I went back and looked at your latest banner find SS. Its not the best thing to compare bronze with silver but I want to make a point. Look at your ancient coin it is disolored in the low spots. Look at the coin found by HH and it is discolored on the high spots. HH's coin is too shiny on the low spots to be that old IMO. As someone said, it just screams fantasy.

 

[Silver Searcher]

I went back and looked at your latest banner find SS. Its not the best thing to compare bronze with silver but I want to make a point. Look at your ancient coin it is disolored in the low spots. Look at the coin found by HH and it is discolored on the high spots. HH's coin is too shiny on the low spots to be that old IMO. As someone said, it just screams fantasy.

Don't forget I have cleaned that coin

SS.

 

[shaun7]

Nice hammered SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I went back and looked at your latest banner find SS. Its not the best thing to compare bronze with silver but I want to make a point. Look at your ancient coin it is disolored in the low spots. Look at the coin found by HH and it is discolored on the high spots. HH's coin is too shiny on the low spots to be that old IMO. As someone said, it just screams fantasy.

Don't forget I have cleaned that coin

SS.

Yes I figured that. Your coin looks authentic with discoloration remaining on the LOW SPOTS.
Look at HH's coin. I see shiny LOW SPOTS, with NO discoloration whatsover!

 

[Silver Searcher]

I went back and looked at your latest banner find SS. Its not the best thing to compare bronze with silver but I want to make a point. Look at your ancient coin it is disolored in the low spots. Look at the coin found by HH and it is discolored on the high spots. HH's coin is too shiny on the low spots to be that old IMO. As someone said, it just screams fantasy.

Don't forget I have cleaned that coin

SS.

Yes I figured that. Your coin looks authentic with discoloration remaining on the LOW SPOTS.
Look at HH's coin. I see shiny LOW SPOTS, with NO discoloration whatsover!

Have a look at this Hadrian similar colurs you ringed

 

[Silver Searcher]

I went back and looked at your latest banner find SS. Its not the best thing to compare bronze with silver but I want to make a point. Look at your ancient coin it is disolored in the low spots. Look at the coin found by HH and it is discolored on the high spots. HH's coin is too shiny on the low spots to be that old IMO. As someone said, it just screams fantasy.

Don't forget I have cleaned that coin

SS.

Yes I figured that. Your coin looks authentic with discoloration remaining on the LOW SPOTS.
Look at HH's coin. I see shiny LOW SPOTS, with NO discoloration whatsover!

I think the discolaration(brown colour) you are talkin about is infact seapage from the soil, we get it quite a lot here

 

[johnnyi]

Yikes, just checked in here to see why the post ws getting so long. SS, you're not arguing that the coin in question is real are you? Are you

Anyway, Bigcy, dd you hear back from any of the people you tried to contact yet? Are they all "laying low"?

 

[Silver Searcher]

Yikes, just checked in here to see why the post ws getting so long. SS, you're not arguing that the coin in question is real are you? Are you

Anyway, Bigcy, dd you hear back from any of the people you tried to contact yet? Are they all "laying low"?

No Jonnyi I am not, I know I said defenetly ancient before, but I was just fooling, but what I will say is, there are no coin experts that would put there name on a ID placed on pictures alone, check out this site http://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/fakes/fakes.htm

Just having a freindly discussion with a freind

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think the discolaration(brown colour) you are talkin about is infact seapage from the soil, we get it quite a lot here

It looks like shiny plating to me in all the low spots of the entire coin.. I am NOT seeing any discoloration other than a few tiny spots circled. Im apparently not able to explain my thoughts to you.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Anyway, Bigcy, dd you hear back from any of the people you tried to contact yet? Are they all "laying low"?

I just got back in town. I will check.

 

[Silver Searcher]

I think the discolaration(brown colour) you are talkin about is infact seapage from the soil, we get it quite a lot here

It looks like shiny plating to me. I am NOT seeing any discoloration. Im apparently not able to explain my thoughts to you.

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 2000 years ago).

 

[Silver Searcher]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

I didnt say "wear". I said "discolored". Yours is NOT the same. It is disolored (darker) on the low spots.

Look between the letters. It is darker. I cant explain it any better.

 

[Silver Searcher]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

I didnt say "wear". I said "discolored". Yours is NOT the same. It is disolored (darker) on the low spots.

Look between the letters. It is darker. I cant explain it any better.

I actually put that on the coin, to enhance the lettering, the coin was infact very shiney when I found it

 

[shaun7]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

That's a cracker SS!

 

[Silver Searcher]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

That's a cracker SS!

It is shaun :P but lets not pinch HHs great thread

SS

 

[IronSpike]

The shiny plating(I think you are refering to) is just wear from heavy circulation. sorry I if you are not getting through, I'm a bit thick

I think you just like to disagree. You said it yourself. YES, the wear is from circulation. It is on the HIGH SPOTS only. How do you explain there is no discoloration on the LOW SPOTS? (The explanation is that it is was recently lost. Certainly not 1000 years ago).

well obviously HH coin was lost not long after it was struck, hence no wear, on high or low spots

Just like this one I found

SS

HH coin was lost not long after it was struck. Wouldn't that rule out ancient?